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I thought the same thing. And I think Gocong would bring depth at linebacker that Wimbley couldn't provide. Gocong can play inside or outside on all four downs.
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The last I was reading the Browns are not intersted in Sims...they do not like his injury history... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/impact_of_return_teams_would_b.htmlBrownie bits: The Browns still consider offensive line a high priority in the draft. The departure of Rex Hadnot and Hank Fraley in free agency leaves them without an experienced backup center behind Alex Mack. They do not have a strong interest in Seattle guard Rob Sims, a Macedonia native, who is a restricted free agent. ... When Philadelphia released former No. 1 pick Shawn Andrews, an accomplished lineman, the natural assumption was that Browns GM Tom Heckert, who was GM when the Eagles drafted Andrews, would be interested. It's not so. Heckert is well-versed in Andrews' off-field issues with depression and injuries.
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Well maybe they'll take my man big John Jerry with that pick then! Unless we pick up another guard, we'll almost certainly be taking one of the better ones in the third round.
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How about Pouncey if he drops to round 2?
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I would love that, but we might as well be talking about Ndamukong Suh dropping to 7.
Some people have Pouncey rated higher than Mack last year. I like him for his versatility, but think Mack was the better center prospect.
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Anyone else think it's funny that Mangini is the one saying this? Last year at this point he wouldn't comment on anything of significance . This year he is commenting on potential trades. Pretty big turnaround.
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Anyone else think it's funny that Mangini is the one saying this? Last year at this point he wouldn't comment on anything of significance . This year he is commenting on potential trades. Pretty big turnaround.
Or is this all part of an carefully orchestrated plan of deception and smoke screening set in motion by Holmgren? Hmmmmm
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Cleveland Browns cornerback Brandon McDonald earns big league bonus
By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
March 23, 2010, 12:54PM
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Despite being benched twice in 2009, Browns cornerback Brandon McDonald earned a $248,403 bonus for outperforming his contract.ORLANDO, Fla. -- Either Brandon McDonald is grossly underpaid or he shouldn't be on the field as much as he is.
For the second year in a row McDonald scored a sizable chunk of change from the NFL's "performance-based pay" program. The system essentially rewards players who play a lot and outperform their contract.
McDonald was awarded $248,403 from the league-wide pool of $109.5 million set aside for the program. That was more than one-half of his base salary of $460,000. His bonus was 24th-highest given out by the league.
McDonald played in all 16 games, starting 10, and had one interception, one sack and was 11th on the team with 47 tackles.
A year ago, when McDonald started 15 games and had five interceptions, he earned $329,803 through the program -- nearly equal his 2008 base salary of $370,000.
McDonald is entering the final season of his rookie contract. He has been demoted at least three times in the past two years, but reclaimed his starting spot each time. His job is in jeopardy this season as the Browns have identified cornerback as one of their top priorities in the draft.
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Oh Geez,, I just posted this in it's own thread,,perhaps I need to delete it...
Odd isn't it
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Anyone else think it's funny that Mangini is the one saying this? Last year at this point he wouldn't comment on anything of significance . This year he is commenting on potential trades. Pretty big turnaround.
Or is this all part of an carefully orchestrated plan of deception and smoke screening set in motion by Holmgren? Hmmmmm
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Or good company man towing the company line... 
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I say trade Rogers to the iggles for Gocong and another draft pick.
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Why trade Rogers when we could get Gocong for a 3rd rounder?
Rogers + Gocong is better than Gocong + Draft pick - Rogers.
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Maybe we could get a 2nd out of philly, the more draft picks the better IMO.
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If they were giving up Gocong too? I don't think so.
I don't think we could get a 2nd rounder for Rogers (who is coming of a broken leg/ankle/knee, whatever it was) by himself. It doesn't seem like 375 pounders and leg injuries would go well together.
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Mike Bell is a Philadelphia Eagle Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 23, 2010 10:00 PM ET The Saints chose not not to match the offer sheet running back Mike Bell signed with the Philadelphia Eagles, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Bell came to New Orleans with his career on life support, but wound up leading the Super Bowl champions in carries during the regular season. His role rapidly diminished in the playoffs, getting only two carries in the Saints' final two wins. The Eagles will pay Bell $1.7 million, assuming he makes the team. $500,000 is guaranteed, which was enough to scare the Saints off. In Bell and fullback Leonard Weaver, the Eagles have a pair of steady options for short-yardage situations. LeSean McCoy is expected to start at running back. web page
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I swear that Grossi reads this forum for ideas. We have been discussing the lack of a back-up center for a couple weeks here.  The real news is that Sims and Andrews are off the radar. I never believed that Andrews is coming here,but with Sims I still think there is a chance. We can still get a back-up center in a later round. A starting guard,however will need to be a higher round pick if he is going to start in 2010. Sims would only cost a 4th.that's why I think that could happen.
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Looks like the Browns ar out of the Eagles QB sweepstakes,,, if there actually ever was an Eagles QB sweepstakes  Quote:
Cleveland Browns not among teams still talking QB trade with Eagles
By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
March 24, 2010, 11:58AM
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid surprised some this morning when he confirmed he still is reviewing trade offers for one or more of his three quarterbacks.
"People are entertaining us with offers," Reid said. "Nothing's been done, but we're evaluating all of them. That's the truth. There's not a lot really going on other than entertaining."
With the quarterback market drying up, there has been some discussion that the asking price for Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick has fallen.
And given the Browns' stockpile of five draft picks in the top 85, plus coach Eric Mangini's admission that the team has other trade options in the works, there was a feeling that perhaps the Browns still would make a play for one of the Eagles' quarterbacks.
Not so, according to Browns President Mike Holmgren.
"The ship has sailed," he said.
Holmgren still intends to add a young quarterback to the mix that now includes Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace and Brett Ratliff.
The Browns have private visits lined up with Tim Tebow of Florida, Colt McCoy of Texas and Tony Pike of Cincinnati. Holmgren has said he expects to complete "four to five" visits with college quarterbacks before the April 22-24 draft.
I may have missed it elsewhere, But I didn't know Pike was coming also..
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We may have been in at one time, but the Iggles priced us out of that market. A 1st for McNabb or 2 for Kolb was ridiculous. They can keep both of them.
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No argument from me,,,,
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Im hearing Philly is considering trading Mcnabb to St. Louis for their 2nd pick.
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That's his way of saying "I read it on another message board." 
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(1) Theirs is the 1st pick in the second round (same as a low 1st IMO)...(2) If they get Mcnabb, maybe they'll pass on paying Bradford that #1 money?  Just a thought! Go Brownies!!!!
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Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini says other trades are in the works
By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
March 23, 2010, 11:01AM
Browns coach Eric Mangini says that the Browns are still talking trades with other teams. Don't pencil in your Browns roster just yet. There is another transaction -- or two -- in the works.
Coach Eric Mangini said at NFL owners meetings this morning that the trade of linebacker Kamerion Wimbley to Oakland for a third-round pick was partly done to create an opportunity for another trade.
"It's not that we didn't like Kam or didn't think he was doing good things," Mangini said. "It's just that having that pick (No. 75 overall) allows us to have just some more versatility.
"It's difficult to part with a character guy (like Wimbley). I really like Kam. I really do. It wasn't a function of wanting to move him. It was more of a function of where do we have depth? Where can we trade to give us some more ability to address other areas?"
The trade of Wimbley gave the Browns five selections in the first 87 picks. They also own the Jets' third-round pick, plus their own in the first three rounds.
"A little bit of this was done in anticipation of being able to get some other things done that will involve draft picks," Mangini said.
It's possible the Browns could use one of their extra picks in trading for, or signing, a restricted free agent that requires draft-choice compensation.
Mangini said the club will revisit these trade talks next week.
"Until it's done, you can't guarantee it," he said. "But it gives us flexibility if we want to do that. If not, then you get another third-round draft pick, which is really a good spot to draft, whether we want to address the secondary or someplace else."
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With the emergence of Rubin as a capable NT, and with Shaun Rogers work ethic (loafing in camp) I would assume he is the next to go. Also, perhaps DQ.
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With the emergence of Rubin as a capable NT, and with Shaun Rogers work ethic (loafing in camp) I would assume he is the next to go. Also, perhaps DQ.
Maybe he wasn't a great practice player, but dang, the man showed up on game day,, I'll take a guy that shows up on Gameday everytime....
But Rubin did seem very capable,, that's for sure..
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i agree with the many on here who suggested moving Rogers to part-time DE since his strengths are his upfield mobility. with the emergence of Rubin at NT, that means more DL depth and another disrupter on the field.
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I just read on another board McNabb was just dealt to the Rams for the 33rd pick.
Does anybody have a link that can confirm this?
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Eh, nevermind. I didn't see the post before and only read a few of the posts. It appeasr that it is the same rumor that was floating around today. Should have read it further.
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As the deadline for signing offer sheets creeps closer, restricted free agents who have yet to get a serious sniff from other teams are now choosing to ink their deals.
The latest? Eagles cornerback Ellis Hobbs and linebacker Chris Gocong. The team announced the moves earlier today.
The Eagles had tendered Hobbs at the first-round level. Gocong was tendered at the third-round level.
Was hoping to get Gocong. Oh well.
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Report: Browns interested in trading for Gocong Mar 31 3/31/2010 7:18:58 AM | More Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post reports according to an NFL source with knowledge of the situation, the Eagles have held preliminary discussions with the Cleveland Browns about trading outside linebacker Chris Gocong to the AFC North franchise. No deal is imminent, but we've been told authoritatively that the rumors are more than mere rumors and that talks are expected to continue heading into the NFL draft. Gocong, a restricted free agent who has signed his $1.176 million one-year tender, is a former Eagles third-round draft pick Gocong was replaced as the starting outside linebacker by rookie Moise Fokou at the end of last season. Gocong is regarded as a good fit for the Browns' 3-4 scheme www.theredzone.org
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Sims has been traded.. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/Lions acquire Rob Sims in trade with Seahawks Posted by Michael David Smith on April 5, 2010 1:05 PM ET Rob Sims is heading to Detroit. Sims, a guard who recently signed his restricted free agent tender with the Seahawks, has been traded to the Lions. Adam Schefter first reported the news on Twitter. The trade is no surprise; the new Seahawks coaching staff had said Sims wasn't in their long-term plans, and we noted yesterday that Sims was likely to be traded to either the Lions or Bears this week. There's no word yet on what the Lions gave up to acquire Sims. In 2009 the 26-year-old Sims started 14 games for the Seahawks. In 2010 he's likely to be the starting left guard for the Lions.
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then our starting RG will either be Womack or a rookie.
Unless someone currently down on the depth chart steps up
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Crap, thought he'd be a solid, affordable addition to our line. Oh well . . .
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Man the Lions are really hell bent on turning that team around. They have some pretty talented players on both sides of the ball now.
I'm a pretty big fan of Stafford and with all the moves they have made recently and such early picks in a talented draft class I don't think it will be long before they are contenders.
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Crap, thought he'd be a solid, affordable addition to our line. Oh well . . .
Doesn't he have injury issues? Isn't that why the Seahawks are willing to trade him?
Everyone has hyped this guy from Ohio State as a great player, and they prob know more about him than me, but if he really was good, we would have just given the 4th rounder to get him.
Upgrading RG would be great, but if the compensation is too high for a guy who gets hurt often, then it might not be worth it
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Well the Lion's 5th is earlier than ours, haha.
Besides, I think RFA tender was 4th round. I never paid attention to the trade terms.
4th/5th, point is, he's young and we didn't sign him. So there has to be a reason
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Besides, I think RFA tender was 4th round. I never paid attention to the trade terms.
4th/5th, point is, he's young and we didn't sign him. So there has to be a reason
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Gould be we did make a mistake. You really never know for sure. The thing is that since he was in Seattle chances are Holgrem knows a little about him...
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