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TOLEDO, OH (WTOL) - The next time you go to a bar or restaurant, you may be sitting next to someone with a gun, if two Ohio senators, Tim Schaffer and Shannon Jones, have their way. They want to change the state's concealed carry law to make that perfectly legal. "People have the right to self defense and our constitution says so," said Chad Baus of the Buckeye Firearms Assoc. "Our constitution doesn't draw a line and say: 'But not here.'" That's why Senate Bill 239 is before the State Senate. It would allow licensed gun holders to carry their weapon inside facilities with a Class D Liquor License, such as restaurants and bars. Some don't like that idea, thinking we should tighten the gun laws and this bill would only loosen them. "If I am going to take my children and my family to a restaurant then I don't want to be sitting next to people that are carrying guns," said Toby Hoover. And many people like Hoover worry about the mixture of guns and alcohol. "Everybody should agree that you shouldn't mix the two and those that have their permits to carry will tell you that they know better and that they will never do this," Hoover said. "Guns and alcohol don't mix. I would say I agree," Baus said. "But that's not what we are changing with this law." Existing Ohio law would not allow people to have their gun while drinking alcohol. Hoover worries people will change their mind and decide to drink when they get there. Another part of the bill would allow licensed gun holders to carry their weapon anywhere in their car. "Every other state simply says you are allowed to carry in the car," Baus said. "They are not having any problems in the other states and we need to bring those up to speed." "I certainly hope that the legislator and the governor think twice before they endorse another gun law that makes it more unsafe for the rest of us," Hoover said. Baus argues 42 of the 48 states have these type of concealed carry laws including all of our neighboring states so it is a matter of catching up. Hoover says we shouldn't follow just because everyone else has the laws in place. Even with the laws, restaurant owners would have the right to post a sign saying they do not allow guns on their property. Copyright 2010 WTOL. All rights reserved. http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=12166865
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Here in Florida if you have a Concealed Permit, you can carry in a restaurant, as long as your not in the bar portion of the restaurant. I have yet to have anyone notice or ask if I am carrying, and have never had a reason to draw my weapon.
I know a lot of people that carry concealed daily as well, and we aren't out shooting up the place because our hamburger isn't cooked right.
They recently made a big deal about being able to carry in state parks here, and the news reporters had people saying they felt uneasy thinking someone might have a gun there while they are picnicking. Then they went to a story from a few months back where a man took a gun to a state park and shot his x-wife while she was enjoying an afternoon with her new boyfriend, and claim that is a reason not to allow them. Like that guy cared at the time that it was illegal.
Having other law abiding people carrying can and has stopped innocent people from being shot when someone, who has no regard for the laws, goes on a shooting spree.
Criminals have been interviewed as saying they would avoid a victim if they knew they had a gun, or someone nearby did. It's easier to go after someone unarmed and unaware.
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I agree....most people who take the effort to get a permit aren't the ones you need to worry about. The ones you need to worry about are the ones who already have them there.
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I like this and hope it passes, but you can't say the word gun without controversy so we'll see...
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LOL!!! That's the same Toby Hoover who said there would be road rage shootouts, family squabbles ending with gunfire, innocent victims caught in the crossfire from gunslinging citizens, etc. if the concealed carry law were passed. Well, it's been 6 years.....we're waiting!
Added: I love the way they conveniently leave out that Toby Hoover is the president of an anti-gun group. She wants all guns outlawed.
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No harm, no foul. The only person that's ever been whacked in a restaurant are these loonies (or mobsters) that were going in there with a gun anyway, permit or not.
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Not a gun guy,,, don't mind others owning them if they choose to.. Got only one concern.. I've been in bars where fights broke out.. With guns, it might escalate beyond knuckles. I'd hate to be sitting there, minding my own business and get nailed by a stray bullet.. I think that would suck 
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It's illegal to drink when you're carrying. As of now, it's illegal to carry in a bar in Ohio.
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Well, I knew it was illegal to carry in a bar,,
tell me again how we stop people from carrying and drinking... will we use the same methods as we do for Drinking and Driving?
Just wondering
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This is a great law that improve the service in restaurants everywhere.
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Not a gun guy,,, don't mind others owning them if they choose to..
Got only one concern.. I've been in bars where fights broke out.. With guns, it might escalate beyond knuckles.
I'd hate to be sitting there, minding my own business and get nailed by a stray bullet.. I think that would suck
I agree....when was the last time you sat in a Applebees when a fight broke out??
I have been in a few strip joints and dive honky tonks when a fight broke out...usually at 1am or later...never a decent place.
Point is, if people start shooting, I would just as soon have a few "good guys' holding a gun.
My opinion is you are safer if guns are allowed.
Really man....if everybody was given a hammer when they got on a plane, do you think planes would be hijacked??
I don't. Most people are at a point where they are sick of lawlessness. A few crazies against a dozen ticked off people don't stand a chance.
It's like the old west....turning in your gun at the edge of town just doesn't work. Every shop keeper and citizen ready to fight is what works.
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Well, I knew it was illegal to carry in a bar,,
tell me again how we stop people from carrying and drinking... will we use the same methods as we do for Drinking and Driving?
Just wondering
Regardless of the law, someone will carry a gun into a bar. The responsible law abiding citizens, and those that went through the effort to et a permit, don't want to risk losing their permit. It cost me a little over $200 for the certification and the permit. I am not risking that, not to mention all the legal fees after you get busted.
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I support this 100%. If every law abiding citizen was carrying a gun, crime rates would drop drastically. Think about it if you are a criminal would you try to rob someone that you know is packing heat, probably not. Guns need to be taken out of the Criminals hands not Law Abiding Citizens. Read this article more States are taking actions to ban Federal Gun Laws within there borders. Statesman Sentinel
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I absolutely do not have a problem with this idea. When I worked armed security it wasn't a big issue if I walked into a restaurant with my side arm. I felt safe and so did the customers. Now as a civilian, I am all for it. Used to party with a few good people back in the day and one of em was a good cop friend. He always packed heat, on and off duty. Would come out to the bar and there were a few times I had to kindly remind him to pull his shirt down. It would cause a stir for about 10 minutes if anyone saw it other than a few that knew he was a cop. Those nights never a fight or word outta line by anyone. Never hurts. Like they say, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.
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Well, I knew it was illegal to carry in a bar,,
tell me again how we stop people from carrying and drinking... will we use the same methods as we do for Drinking and Driving?
Just wondering
Tell me again how we keep people from NOT carrying guns into restaurants now? Ever been to a restaurant with a metal detector? 
And who cares if the guy next to you has a gun, who cares if a fight breaks out, and who cares if somebody gets whacked.... the chef is in the kitchen killing you with salt anyway. 
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You know this is real strange, the misses and myself were sitting in a nice local eatery enjoying the Bruschetta and Linguine Marinara, the Chicken Parm., washing it down with a glass of wine, contemplating the Tiramisu, when I leaned back in my chair and said to her, "You know dear, what would make this meal complete?" She replied, "I know, a 9mm Glock on your hip huh?"
"Oh yeah, nothing feels better than a full stomach, a tight belt, and the weight of sidearm resting firmly on my hip"
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It's a no brainer. I hope they have sense enough include a warning shot amendment.
If the service is slow the customer should be required to fire a warning shot over the waiters head before any lethal action can be taken.
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It's a no brainer. I hope they have sense enough include a warning shot amendment.
If the service is slow the customer should be required to fire a warning shot over the waiters head before any lethal action can be taken.
Not a good idea. There would be just too many stray bullets zinging around then. Better service right from the get go will result in less overall shooting. 
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It's a no brainer. I hope they have sense enough include a warning shot amendment.
If the service is slow the customer should be required to fire a warning shot over the waiters head before any lethal action can be taken.
Not a good idea. There would be just too many stray bullets zinging around then. Better service right from the get go will result in less overall shooting.
Don't be silly. If you plug em right off, hows he going to get your food?
I can't believe there's opposition to warning shots! Who wants LESS shooting ? Shootings fun.... but I'll concede, maybe making like Yosemite Sam and shooting over a waiters head might be a bad idea. How bout shooting at the varmints feet instead?
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I think there's a problem with people wanting to bring a gun into a restaurant...
...but I don't think there's anything wrong with having a gun in a restaurant provided you've shown due competence.
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I agree....when was the last time you sat in a Applebees when a fight broke out??
I'm not a regular at Applebys, but two weeks ago, I was the at one on the west side signing up a guy and damn if two guys didn't get into a very loud shouting match.. No fist fights because the workers came and broke it up and kicked both out.. But it was on the edge
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Point is, if people start shooting, I would just as soon have a few "good guys' holding a gun.
Me too,, so if we allow folks to carry guns in bars, I suggest we set some standards... All the good guys MUST wear White Hats.. that way we'll know who to root for....
Like I said, I don't own guns,, like the idea I can if I wanna.. and I don't oppose gun ownership in general.. not at all..
I think there are places where they belong and places where they don't..
we differ only on that point...
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I really get the feeling that since it has to be explained you won't understand, but here goes. I don't have a concealed carry permit to protect myself, I have it to protect my family. Doing something that would take that ability away from me is NOT an option.
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I really get the feeling that since it has to be explained you won't understand, but here goes. I don't have a concealed carry permit to protect myself, I have it to protect my family. Doing something that would take that ability away from me is NOT an option
I don't have any issue with that at all.. If you are assuming that because I don't find that guns in a place that sells personality and mind altering substances means that I won't get it, then you are sadly mistaken..
Also, in case you weren't paying attention, I have no problem with folks owning or carrying guns..
I just think that some places aren't proper and wise... if you wanna debate me, I suggest you stick to that,, otherwise, mostly what you will get is agreement... and what kinda fun debate would that be?
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I think there's a problem with people wanting to bring a gun into a restaurant...
...but I don't think there's anything wrong with having a gun in a restaurant provided you've shown due competence.
And that right there is our problem,...nobody wants "due competence" legislated.
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I'm not mistaken. You asked earlier in the thread how we would keep people from carrying and drinking. I told you how, personal responsibility. When the law to carry concealed passed all kinds of bad things were predicted to happen, but they haven't happened. Why is being able to have a firearm around alcohol going to be any different?
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Yeah,, you misread me.. But that's ok,, Until we get a graemlin that denotes sarcasm, that's going to happen...
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Were you being sarcastic when you said some places aren't proper or wise?
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Were you being sarcastic when you said some places aren't proper or wise?
No,, I was being sarcastic with this comment.
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Me too,, so if we allow folks to carry guns in bars, I suggest we set some standards... All the good guys MUST wear White Hats.. that way we'll know who to root for....
As for the proper and wise comment,, had you paid attention, you would understand that that is the ONLY point on which we don't agree.. Unless I"m reading you wrong, You apparently think that anyplace and anytime is ok to carry... I happen to think not..
Please don't try and change my mind with comments like "I carry to protect my family" That's fine, but do they need protected in a church or other house of worship as an example..
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but do they need protected in a church or other house of worship as an example..
Yes. I would happen to feel more safe ANYWHERE that someone is responsibly packing heat. If the bad guys know nobody in church has a gun wouldn't that be a perfect place to collect a bunch of purses, wallets, and jewelery? Just sayin'...
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You know what Michelle,, That's great.. if you want people carrying a gun in a church,, Fine.. I don't..
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Yes. I would happen to feel more safe ANYWHERE that someone is responsibly packing heat. If the bad guys know nobody in church has a gun wouldn't that be a perfect place to collect a bunch of purses, wallets, and jewelery? Just sayin'...
why go through all the trouble of getting people's wallets when all you have to do is wait for them to dump the contents into those little baskets anyway?
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Unbelievable. Why would anyone in their right mind feel the need to bring a gun into a restaurant with them?
This gun crap is getting out of hand. I know many of you are pro-gun, but I never have and never will understand the fascination over carrying one with you at all times, especially out at a restaurant enjoying dinner with your family or friends.
And they can say you can't drink and carry a gun, but they say you cant drink and drive also, how many of you have never drank and drove?
This has bad news written all over it. You open the flood gates, and water will come through.
I'll stay out of this...carry on.
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I'll stay out of this...carry on.
Too late,, you are in it now
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You know what Michelle,, That's great.. if you want people carrying a gun in a church,, Fine.. I don't..
Daman,
I'm kinda with you on this one. The one thing I am 100% against is guns anywhere alcohol is served. If alcohol impairs judgment as we are told, then I want that gun in the car where someone has a few extra seconds to cool down from any altercation and have a chance to think for a moment. "GOOD PEOPLE" get DUIs all the time and I'm sure they weren't intending to do that when they walked in the place, so they must be making impaired decisions.
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Unbelievable. Why would anyone in their right mind feel the need to bring a gun into a restaurant with them?
Because, if someone comes up to them and pulls a gun on them first, with their lightening-like reflexes they will reach into their hip pockets and gun down the bad guy, take a swig of their favorite adult beverage, leave a tip and walk away . . .
I don't have a problem with guns, I don't have a problem with hunters . . . I am with Daman on this one.
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Yes. I would happen to feel more safe ANYWHERE that someone is responsibly packing heat. If the bad guys know nobody in church has a gun wouldn't that be a perfect place to collect a bunch of purses, wallets, and jewelery? Just sayin'...
Not that I'm changing my position on this at all Michelle,, I still have no problem with you believing as you do,,
But I gotta say this, if a responsible person who has a carry permit and carries in a church sits in front of me, I'd think it would suck big time if "accidentally" the gun went off and killed my child.
Substitute "church" for any place kids are.. I know, what the heck are kids doing in Bars.. well, bars to me are different.. that's a place where something is sold that alters a persons state of mine...
But generally, anyplace where kids are or anyplace that serves booze,, I'm against guns being allowed in.
Hope that clears it up for you..
We disagree on the where we should carry, but not on the right to carry... does that help you understand my position?
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If guns had been allowed at Columbine or at Virginia Tech quite a few children and young people would still be alive. One responsible adult, with the training required for Concealed / Carry, could have saved them. The killers don't care about our rules ... they count on us following the rules so that for them, its like shooting fish in a barrel.
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If guns had been allowed at Columbine or at Virginia Tech quite a few children and young people would still be alive.
If you really believe that, then I suggest you write to your congressmen and ask they support legislation to allow guns on college campus or anywhere else you see fit.,.
Personnally, the congressmen that votes for that, won't get my vote...
It's a personal choice, I've made mine....
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