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From what I've read, he doesn't think any of the QB's in this draft have any chance at being successful NFL QB's.

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Except "The Great one!"

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Me, if I was really looking for a starting qb, I wouldn't look past the 2nd round.

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if we go by your reasoning, qbs should never be taken before the 5th round.

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if we go by your reasoning, qbs should never be taken before the 5th round.

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sorry, my only reasoning was that you cannot use being a "winner" as criteria to draft a QB.

there are a lot of reasons to draft a QB, that should not be one of them. that was the only point there.

and that post was not directed at you as you have your reasons for thinking Tebow will succeed beyond that, others merely post he's a winner and that simply does not transcend him.

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Agent: Tebow still considering attending NFL draft next month
By Jason La Canfora | NFL.com



Florida quarterback Tim Tebow remains undecided about whether or not he will attend the NFL draft next month in New York, according to his agent, Jimmy Sexton, who said Tuesday that he was in contact with league officials.


Sexton said that with the draft now spread over three days -- the first round is scheduled for Thursday, April 22 in primetime -- "they're a lot more flexible" about what a player would have to do while in New York. Sexton said prospects attending the draft must be in New York by the Tuesday of draft week, but during the event itself, they would have a lot more freedom to leave the green room, return to their hotel and work with the league about how long the player would attend should he begin to slip out of the first round.

Tebow is a player on whom many teams have a third-round grade, but he could go as high as the back end of the first round. He is one of the true wild cards in the draft, and it would be surprising to see him slip out of the second round.

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He would be stupid to go.

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He would be stupid to go.

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I hadn't seen that but I believe ya... no worries...

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You don't have to

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My job demands I present data, so I had to dig it up for you.

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He would be stupid to go.

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Yeah, but someone is going to tell him that by going he'll have the opportunity to spread the word, so I fully expect him to show up.

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He would be stupid to go.

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Yeah, but someone is going to tell him that by going he'll have the opportunity to spread the word, so I fully expect him to show up.

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He would be stupid to go.

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Yeah, but someone is going to tell him that by going he'll have the opportunity to spread the word, so I fully expect him to show up.

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Save the cheap shots.

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I see.........You're the cat. Your tail has been crunched by rocking-chair after rocking-chair. I happen to decide to sit into a rocking chair just now. I start rockin', so now it's "WATCH OUT!!!"

You can take it as a "cheap shot" but it's nothing of the sort. That wasn't a sarcastic-crack and it wasn't a jab.

I think that's exactly what'll happen.

It only seems like a cheap shot because the very idea that a football player would use the NFL-draft as a pulpit to forward his faith is so unusual. Dare I even say...........sacrilegious. Oh what delicious irony.............

In fact, if he goes, I FULLY expect him to publicly (ok, privately) say just that. After-all, when someone reaches the level of commitment that Tebow is now at, one's entire life is dedicated to God, and as such, the only goal is to further his word by using whatever avenue is available.

Now, your next question is to probably ask yourself why you feel such an observation was insulting to the point where you were not only offended, but became so vehemently vexed that it also required a defensive reply.....

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I guess whoever thought he was only invited for the second day was mistaken.. don't remember who said that...

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there is no need to knock him for being a man of god!

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Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.

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How would you rate Florio for getting this right?

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Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.

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Daman...it would not be hard for Florio to check it before posting...would it?

I would hope that the media cross checks something of this nature before going public with it...all it takes is a phone call to a couple of individuals who were in the same group taking the test with Tebow, to confirm the facts.

Listen, not a thing wrong with Tebow praying anytime he wants...but once Tebow enters the world of professional football, he needs to understand that others may not worship or pray in the way he does.

I don't see this incident as a red flag for the kid, as long as he is smart enough to grasp the reality that he is about to enter a more diverse group of athletes at the NFL level.

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Daman...it would not be hard for Florio to check it before posting...would it?

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Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.

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How would you rate Florio for getting this right?

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9.5 it's pretty funny

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there is no need to knock him for being a man of god!

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Are you booing me or agreeing with me?? Not sure.


That was yesterday and i have slept since then, so it doesn't really matter.

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there is no need to knock him for being a man of god!

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Are you booing me or agreeing with me?? Not sure.


That was yesterday and i have slept since then, so it doesn't really matter.

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No that wasn't meant for you, I just don't see the point in bashing someone over his or her faith, when some other guy did that they wore red arm bands! Everyone needs to get off the Religion bs and stop hateing on him for it. The kid is one heck of a talent is this all people can come up with to knock him for? If so that's pretty sad and pathetic! To hate someone because of their faith is one step away from being a nazi, might as well throw him in a camp and let him die because he is ultra religious! Seriously people what the heck! I see these comments and become embarrassed for our fanbase

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A tale of six quarterbacks
Cold, Hard Football Facts for March 19, 2010


(Also see "the tired old story of Tim Tebow's mechanics")

The glittering genius of the Cold, Hard Football Facts is that we admire only numbers and productivity.

We put little stock in a player’s pedigree. And we put even less stock in the “pundits” and their outdated weapon of choice, the opinion, which bounces off the steely armor of our analysis so helplessly, like nothing but little pebbles of pigskin overwhelmed by our M1A1 Abrams tank of truth.

So it is today that we dive into one of the biggest stories of the 2010 NFL draft by looking at the college productivity of six legendary quarterbacks here in the modern pass-happy era.

Six Big-Name College Quarterbacks
Player Comp. Att. Pct. Yards YPA TD INT Rating*
Player A 851 1,354 62.85 11,201 8.27 90 33 100.93
Player B 825 1,232 66.96 8,772 7.12 76 37 95.60
Player C 841 1,383 60.81 10,286 7.44 84 36 93.15
Player D 493 797 61.86 6,625 8.31 52 21 99.04
Player E 564 986 57.20 7,731 7.84 51 33 85.72
Player F 661 985 67.11 9,286 9.43 88 15 120.72

* Using the NFL formula for passer rating, not the NCAA formula

The numbers aren't even close. One player dominates. One player leaps screaming off the list, like Horshack on "Welcome Back Kotter" when he knew the answer to a question: “Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!”

That dominant individual, of course, is Player F. This quarterback:
•Was the most accurate of any of these six passers.
•Dominated the average per attempt category – our favorite number – by better than 1 yard per attempt over the No. 2 player on the list.
•Boasts a passer rating so sky high it defies description, nearly 20 full points better than the No. 2 player on the list.
Elsewhere, Player F was No. 2 in total TD passes – but easily No. 1 in TD pass percentage. Player F threw a TD on 8.9 percent of his pass attempts – easily outpacing Player A, who threw a touchdown on 6.6 percent of his pass attempts.

Finally, Player F protected the ball much better than any of the other quarterbacks on this list. Player F threw an interception on just 1.52 percent of attempts – easily outpacing Player C, who threw an interception on 2.60 percent of attempts. And you know what we've always told you: quarterbacks who throw picks lose games. Quarterbacks who don't throw picks win games.

Dying to know who they are, arentcha? Well, the numbers represent the college career stats of six of the greatest quarterbacks in the modern history of the SEC. Here goes:
•Player A is Peyton Manning. He played for Tennessee in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1998 draft.
•Player B is Tim Couch. He played for Kentucky in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1999 draft.
•Player C is Eli Manning. He played for Ole Miss in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2004 draft.
•Player D is JaMarcus Russell. He played for LSU in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 draft.
•Player E is Matt Stafford. He played for Georgia in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 draft.
•And, finally, Player F is Tim Tebow. He played for Florida and the SEC and will be far from the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 draft.
The list tells us many things.

First, it tells us that the SEC has dominated the draft in recent years, as you probably already knew. But five guys at the most important position on the field taken No. 1 overall in a 12-year stretch is a remarkable accomplishment, even by the lofty standards of the dominant conference in college football.

Second, it tells us that NFL talent evaluators are out of their f*cking minds.

Tebow, as you know, is the biggest question mark in the 2010 draft among the pigskin punditistas. He's the highest rated passer in the history of SEC football. He was easily a better passer than Peyton Manning or Matt Stafford or Tim Couch or any of the guys whose ability to pass was never really questioned by NFL talent analysts.

And yet NFL evalautors for some reason aren't sold on Tebow. Couch and Russell are two bona fide NFL busts, even though pro football talent evaluators couldn't usher them into the league fast enough. Yet these same talent evaluators harbor grave doubts about the ability of the greatest and most efficient passer in SEC history to pass the ball at the next level.

Consider, Charley Casserly, the longtime NFL executive turned NFL Network analyst, who was on the air Thursday telling the world that Tebow will go no higher than the fourth round of the draft next month.

Other executives seem obsessed by the trivia over Tebow’s mechanics, while overlooking the rather irrefutable fact that he dominated college football like no player in memory and despite the fact that he was, by any objective measure, a much better passer than Couch, Russell, Stafford, and either of the Manning brothers.

Tebow not only passed the ball far more effectively than any of these No. 1 overall picks. It pays to remember that, in his spare time, he set the SEC career record for rushing touchdowns. Oh, and he won a Heisman Trophy and two national titles. Other than that, he didn't do much.

The anti-Tebow crowd will argue, weakly, that he was surrounded by greater talent than those other passers.

The anti-Tebow crowd, of course, has its head up its ass.

Let’s look at Peyton Manning. Last we remember, he played with not one, not two but three receivers taken in the top two rounds of the draft: Joey Kent, Marcus Nash and Peerless Price. His team was so loaded with talent that it won the national title the year after he left.

JaMarcus Russell played with arguably the most talented teams of the past decade. They won national titles in 2003 and 2007 and he watched as 34 of his LSU teammates were grabbed in the NFL draft.

Stafford? Well, Georgia is a prolific pipeline of NFL talent. Stafford was one of three starting offensive players from the 2008 Bulldogs taken in the first 50 picks of the 2009 draft (Knowshon Moreno, Mohamed Massaquoi).

Ole Miss is hardly the SEC’s best hotbed of talent. But almost the entire offensive line that protected Eli Manning was good enough to earn a shot in the NFL, including not one but two of his centers: Ben Claxton (2003 draft) and Chris Spencer (2005), one of a small handful of centers ever taken in the first round of the NFL draft.

Couch? Sure, he didn't have much around him. In fact, he's one of just three first-round draft picks to come out of Kentucky in the last 25 years. But in any case, his passing numbers pale in comparison to those produced by Tebow.

The anti-Tebow crowd could also throw out the old David Klingler argument. You know, "anybody can put up big stats in the college game."

But Tebow didn't just put up big stats ... he put up supremely efficient stats. He was more accurate, and produced more big passing plays, and was more likely to put the ball in the end zone, and more likely to keep it out of the hands of opposing defenders, than any of the recent collection of No. 1 passing phenoms to come out of the SEC.

Tebow was, by any measure, a better player, a better quarterback and, yes, a better passer than any of these No. 1 picks.

We understand that college success does not translate to NFL success. The long history of Heisman winners turned NFL busts underscores that argument.

However, in the gamble that is the NFL draft, we'll roll the dice on the proven and unmatched passing talent of Tebow rather than on the sorry track record of pro football talent evaluators.

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And yet NFL evalautors for some reason aren't sold on Tebow. Couch and Russell are two bona fide NFL busts, even though pro football talent evaluators couldn't usher them into the league fast enough. Yet these same talent evaluators harbor grave doubts about the ability of the greatest and most efficient passer in SEC history to pass the ball at the next level.

Consider, Charley Casserly, the longtime NFL executive turned NFL Network analyst, who was on the air Thursday telling the world that Tebow will go no higher than the fourth round of the draft next month.

Other executives seem obsessed by the trivia over Tebow’s mechanics, while overlooking the rather irrefutable fact that he dominated college football like no player in memory and despite the fact that he was, by any objective measure, a much better passer than Couch, Russell, Stafford, and either of the Manning brothers.

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Like many fans, this author lacks the depth of thought to look beyond a guy who "dominated college football like no player in memory..."

Too bad the NFL game isn't the same as the college game. If it were, he'd have a point, but it isn't, so he doesn't.

No amount of accolades professing his dominance at the college level will make the very real questions about his accuracy and mechanics go away. Nice try.....not really.

I've seen Homers who didn't produce this level of verbose craftsmanship..........