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Oh no, what do we do when college kids smoke weed! Its such a horrible drug that it inhibits their football skills. Just ask Randy Moss and Sapp.
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NFL personnel men concerned by marijuana 'epidemic' in draft class

One personnel man said 10 or 11 1st-round prospects have been flagged for pot
Teams try to determine whether prospect's use is experimental or frequent
New breed of NFL decision-makers perhaps not as concerned as the old guard

ORLANDO -- There's a widespread belief within the NFL that the 2010 draft represents one of the deepest and most promising pools of collegiate talent in years. But in addition to the vast potential of this year's draft class, numerous NFL personnel evaluators told SI.com they are concerned about the increased number of prospects who have a history of marijuana use in their background, with players often acknowledging a failed drug test for pot in college in interviews with team executives.

SI.com interviewed four NFL head coaches, four general managers and two other high-level club personnel executives for this story. Due to the sensitivity of the topic, all requested anonymity in order to speak candidly about the issue.

According to one veteran club personnel man, 10 or 11 players who carry first-round draft grades on their board this year have been red-flagged for marijuana use in college, an estimate echoed by two clubs' head coaches. Another NFL head coach estimated that "one-third'' of the players on his club's draft board had some sort of history with marijuana use and would thus require an extra level of evaluation as part of the pre-draft scouting process.

"Marijuana use is almost epidemic, with more guys having tested positive for marijuana at some point in their college background than I can ever remember,'' said a longtime team personnel man. "It's almost as if we are having to figure out a new way to evaluate it as part of the character and background report, because it's so prevalent. There're enough instances of it that it's hard to know how to set your board. You can't throw out that many guys. You have to go case-by-case and do your homework on them.''

It's important to note that NFL club officials in this case are only referencing failed drug tests administered by the prospect's college that wind up on his background report, not the drug tests the league conducts as part of the scouting process at last month's NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Players with drug test failures in college are not automatically enrolled in the NFL's drug-testing program upon being drafted, but those players can be added at the league's discretion, depending on the type of drug used, how recent the failed test occurred and if there were multiple failures.

"It's something that's concerning to all coaches and general managers in this league,'' one veteran NFL head coach said at the league's annual meeting in Orlando. "It has been trending the wrong way in recent years. But it's something that has to be dealt with from on high, at the league level, and not just dealt with on a club by club basis. It's partly a societal issue, but it's something we're having to deal with more and more.''

In many cases these days, club officials say, players are much more open to admitting to past marijuana use or experimentation in college as part of their pre-draft interviews with NFL teams.

"The kids are admitting it much more now, and part of that is what they've been coached to do [by their agents or handlers],'' one club general manager said. "They want to get the truth out and give you an explanation for their use. That's seen as better than letting someone else put it out there for you and making you look like you were being evasive.

"But we've had that same conversation internally on our club: 'Wow, there's a lot of kids this year.' It seems much more common now, across the draft.''

One NFL head coach told me this week that in this era of some states decriminalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, he has interviewed potential draft picks who didn't even seem to recognize their marijuana smoking constituted drug use in the eyes of the NFL.

"It's pretty significant as a trend,'' the head coach said. "But if you knocked everyone off your board who has experimented with weed, you'd lose about 20 percent of your board, not to mention disqualify a few recent presidents. A third sounds a little high to me, but it's not a rare occurrence to have a player with some pot use in his background. You have to make a judgment on each individual guy.''

That same head coach said that earlier in his NFL coaching career, if a player had failed a drug test for pot in college, his name would be quickly removed from the draft boards of most teams. But times have changed. Clubs are doing more work to try and identify whether a prospect's pot use falls under the experimentation heading, or is done with regularity.

"It's a matter of figuring out which ones smoke, and which ones have to smoke, because they really [are addicted],'' another head coach said. "It's like the drinking issue. You want to know if a guy drinks, or if he has a drinking problem. You're trying to find out and make that distinction with some guys.''

The reaction to a prospect's collegiate marijuana use varies from club to club, team executives and coaches said. The mentality of personnel evaluators and coaches making case-by-case decisions on players with marijuana use in their background has grown more prevalent with the league's infusion of younger coaches and general managers in recent years.

"Overall in the league there's a bit of a different generation of decision-makers and people doing the evaluating,'' one team's general manager said. "Even among those of us who didn't [smoke pot], we had some friends who did and we didn't judge them that harshly. So for some, it's a less damaging red flag for a player to have that on his record. Now, maybe [longtime Colts president] Bill Polian's perception of that is different. Maybe those players are still completely off his board. But it can be generational in that sense, yes. Definitely.''

Even among the club officials who expressed the most concern about the prevalence of prospects in this draft who have failed at least one test for marijuana in college, none said they would automatically remove any such player from their draft board.

"There are probably different shades of red to the red flag you give that player these days, different degrees of how it impacts their grade,'' one head coach said. "I know of one guy who told me he smoked with his mom. It was just something they did together. You have to find out something about the specifics and see if it was a habit, and or if it was experimenting in college. For one thing, it could be a case of colleges testing more, and having better tests. It may not be that use is up, but detection is up.''

Some players suspected of marijuana use in college in recent years, Philadelphia receiver DeSean Jackson and Minnesota receiver-return man Percy Harvin most notably, have been two of the top offensive players in the draft the past two years. Their early success in the NFL has possibly led some teams to take a more lenient approach to drafting talented players who are suspected of collegiate marijuana use, one team front office executive said.

"If you passed on Jackson and you passed on Harvin the past two years, maybe you can't afford to just completely write off that kind of prospect every time, or you won't have a job at some point because you won't win any games,'' one team front office executive said. "But you don't want to take guys and see them be in the [league's drug] program the whole time, because they may never get out of it. You want to determine if it's in their environment and if they're bringing that environment with them [to the NFL]?''

One team's head coach said organizations are doing more and more extensive background checks on draft prospects every year to find out as much information as possible about the practices of their potential employees.

"You have to, because some guys aren't telling you the whole truth about their habits and things that have happened while they're in college,'' the head coach said. "It depends on the team's individual approach, but you can get in trouble if you're just overlooking everything when it comes to that kind of history in their background.''

Another NFL general manager interviewed this week said he has a discussion with his team's owner every time the club is even considering a player who has a red flag on their record for marijuana use in college. And you can't have too many of those talks on a year-in, year-out basis, he said.

"That's a topic of conversation for a lot of GMs with their owners,'' the general manager said. "You have a number of prospects who are quality people, but who might have [screwed] up early on in college. As long as it's not a habitual thing, there's more of a discussion about those players, rather than just jettisoning them off your board. Which is what a lot of teams have done in the past. But I think we're all a little more realistic these days.

"I've gone and scouted players at colleges and their coaches really talk them up, but then they add that 'He has this in his background.' It's definitely something we're going to have to get to the bottom of, but what are you going to do? If the kid has one thing in his past, are you going to throw away a third of your board? That's the reality of the situation we face.''

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there's a time and a place for everything ... and that's college. i think this is a non-issue that they are trying to make one.

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Happy birthday Buckeye....

ya know, if you are thinking of working to get into the NFL as a player,,, then you must know you will be tested for illegal drugs. As a player, you have potential to make a load of money if your good.

Hell even if your average you can still make more per year than most folks can even dream of.

So regardless of you position on the legalizing MJ,,, the way the rules stand today, you either accept them and stay clean, or expect a hard time from the league and the teams... and maybe the loss of the opportunity to play Pro Ball.

The question becomes, how stupid and idiotic do you have to be to risk that kinda payday for a couple of tokes of weed?

For me the decision is easy.. if I wanted to play in the NFL and the rule says, no MJ.,, then I won't do MJ..

It's entirely too easy to figure out the right path here...


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i dont condone the fact that they did it ... just saying in college, its kind of understood you try new things ... but yes, if you have the future to be in the NFL, you also must have the brains to follow the law

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For me the decision is easy.. if I wanted to play in the NFL and the rule says, no MJ.,, then I won't do MJ..

It's entirely too easy to figure out the right path here...





I think it's entirely too easy for you to say that Damon. At least my experience from college, and a non-regimental school (I go to grad school at regiment college, the kids get drugtested regularly), it was very common for people to smoke marijuana.

Now when all your friends do it, and you are young and don't think about future reprecussions the same that you might be able to in your older age (more experience), it's just easy to say that. I was born in 85, I guess this past decade has been the one where I've been surrounded by this culture, and all I can say is that smoking pot is pretty much as usual as drinking at college. So many people do it, and it isn't like stereotypically in one type of group either.

I don't know if our culture is changing or if we have always just taken a blind eye to the usage of pot at college, but these football gods, surrounded by partying people are going to encounter many chances to get high. It would be nice if everyone could say, "I plan on playing in the NFL so I won't do it" but with 18-21 year old kids who are definitely very popular around campus, that's very rare.

It's finding the guys that can say, i'm in the NFL, i'm being drug tested, I cannot fail a drug test/let this effect my career in any way. I will put it on hold until my career is over (or at least limit it to the offseason). Because if you limit yourself to guys who never have smoked, you're going to have a small pool to work with.

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Just as Daman said...

It's a very serious issue for GM's simply because weed is an illegal (mostly) drug. Therefore, they get tested. I'm sure you could make convincing arguments either way about how weed affects football performance (Moss vs Ricky Williams?), but that argument doesn't even matter. There's no arguing whether it's illegal or not right now.

Now, when it becomes legal (it's going to happen soon), then it's a different issue, and I think you'll see MUCH less attention. Only the most extreme cases will even be mentioned.

I, personally, don't think it affects on-field performance unless there's an obvious case of abuse. I've never done it (even in college), but I think I'm in the minority, and it doesn't seem to have affected most of my former classmates (I finished my undergrad a couple years ago, just for reference). Several guys on the hockey team smoked (one was a full-blown pothead) and they just happened to be some of the best players on the team. I don't believe you can correlate the average person's MJ usage with athletic performance. Just my opinion.


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It's just something that those kids have to deal with that doesn't make a lot of sense. I believe the majority of Americans know that using pot isn't a big deal aside from a legal standpoint.

All these guys have to do is show in interviews that they have a realistic attitude regarding actions and consequences, and I think most GMs would disregard past pot use.


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And I can damn well assure you, if I had a shot at the NFL, and the rule says,, No Drugs... I'm not going to do drugs.. PERIOD..

So yeah, to me, the right path is easy to figure out

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Whether or not anyone thinks that weed should or should not be legal is completely irrelevant. The fact is that it's illegal; and these guys know it. If they had any belief that they would go pro, they should have been smart enough.


BTW, I'm pro-legalization.


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Just because something is against the law doesn't make it unethical or immoral. That's what I see here at least. This draft class is still ridiculously deep (outside of QB). Non-factor. Not sure why it's termed "epidemic".

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If this thread is about people in the draft who smoked marijuana, that's fine. But if everyone's going to talk about whether marijuana should be illegal or not, this thread will be locked and someone can bring it up in the Tailgate Lot.

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As far as players in the Draft using or whatever.....................the NFL obviously doesn't care. So why should the players? I mean how many players in the NFL smoke? How many draftees each year get a positive test and get drafted anyway.

The NFL is a bottom line business...........just win baby...........and who cares how you get there. While it will affect the marginal players it barely affects the best players. Once they start playing they play the game of the NFLs policy.........remember the Wizzinator guy?

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Haven't NFL players always smoked weed?

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Yes, it's just that there are those who get caught and those who don't.

William Green always smoked, but he never failed drug tests. He just managed to get in trouble by being an idiot/choosing a rediculous girlfriend who will stab you and then the cops find his marijuana.

Undoubtably there are plenty of successful players in the NFL who smoke. It's the dumb ones that get caught, that's all. That and the fat ones, they take longer to get it out of their system (but knowing that they're fat and that it takes longer for them to get clean, they need to act accordingly to that)


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If this thread is about people in the draft who smoked marijuana, that's fine. But if everyone's going to talk about whether marijuana should be illegal or not, this thread will be locked and someone can bring it up in the Tailgate Lot.




Posters shouldnt point fingers and make accusations at people they dont know either.

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Yes, it's just that there are those who get caught and those who don't.

William Green always smoked, but he never failed drug tests. He just managed to get in trouble by being an idiot/choosing a rediculous girlfriend who will stab you and then the cops find his marijuana.

Undoubtably there are plenty of successful players in the NFL who smoke. It's the dumb ones that get caught, that's all. That and the fat ones, they take longer to get it out of their system (but knowing that they're fat and that it takes longer for them to get clean, they need to act accordingly to that)




Its got to be hard for college players on the West coast to not smoke it. Its almost a way of life out there, and its almost a way of life on alot of college campuses across the country.

Some players know that smacking their wife or babys mama around knows it will effect their job status but they still do it. When you got the skills and age of Santonio Holmes, some respectful organizations will look past physical abuse and drug abuse. Just like in the NBA, if you are good enough and you make the team money and get them Ws, most could care less if they toke.

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Wouldn' t be hard for me.... I mean,, if I"m thinking I got a shot at the NFL and the big payday.. I"m steering clear of the dope man.. it's just that simple..

Keep in mind, I'm not commenting on if MJ should or shouldn't be legal, I honestly haven't given it an ounce of thought and therefore I don't know the pros and cons..

I"m merely saying that if smoking dope can ruin your chances of GETTING into the NFL,, then you gotta be an idiot to smoke it.. it's really that simple..


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It's just something that those kids have to deal with that doesn't make a lot of sense. I believe the majority of Americans know that using pot isn't a big deal aside from a legal standpoint.

All these guys have to do is show in interviews that they have a realistic attitude regarding actions and consequences, and I think most GMs would disregard past pot use.




This is pretty much what military recruting policy is -- and if you prove you cannot maintain the "right attitude" you get the boot.

Not so in the NFL.

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ya know, if you are thinking of working to get into the NFL as a player,,, then you must know you will be tested for illegal drugs. As a player, you have potential to make a load of money if your good.

Hell even if your average you can still make more per year than most folks can even dream of.

So regardless of you position on the legalizing MJ,,, the way the rules stand today, you either accept them and stay clean, or expect a hard time from the league and the teams... and maybe the loss of the opportunity to play Pro Ball.

The question becomes, how stupid and idiotic do you have to be to risk that kinda payday for a couple of tokes of weed?

For me the decision is easy.. if I wanted to play in the NFL and the rule says, no MJ.,, then I won't do MJ..

It's entirely too easy to figure out the right path here...




Well said. I agree.

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I've heard the epidemic is down right chronic.




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