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Not sure if this needs its own thread or not, but didn't really want to bury it on page four or league FA stuff: Report: Browns interested in trading for Gocong Mar 31 3/31/2010 7:18:58 AM | More Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post reports according to an NFL source with knowledge of the situation, the Eagles have held preliminary discussions with the Cleveland Browns about trading outside linebacker Chris Gocong to the AFC North franchise. No deal is imminent, but we've been told authoritatively that the rumors are more than mere rumors and that talks are expected to continue heading into the NFL draft. Gocong, a restricted free agent who has signed his $1.176 million one-year tender, is a former Eagles third-round draft pick Gocong was replaced as the starting outside linebacker by rookie Moise Fokou at the end of last season. Gocong is regarded as a good fit for the Browns' 3-4 scheme www.theredzone.org web page
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This could free up the draft spot, as in, not having to take McClain,...Okung/Williams a strong possibility if Berry is gone,....
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(Sidenote: Yes it's worth its own thread, although sometimes I swear the desire is to have one master thread where everyone posts in it, but that's neither here nor there.)
It's kind of unnerving that we would trade for a guy who lost his starting linebacker job at the end of last season. But, at the same time, maybe he fits a 3-4 much better than he fits a 4-3 (even though the Eagles' 4-3 uses a lot of 3-4 principles, especially with the linebackers being big, downhill, blitzing backers instead of small, quick Cover 2 LB's).
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dont know much about this guy......wonder what the eagles want for him?
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Is this Wimbley's replacement? Must be hotter for something in the draft. This would be depth; are replacements upgrades? Don't know the guy if he comes relatively cheaply, OK. But somebody who lost his position is our pickup? Hope the scheme difference makes a difference. I root for whoever wins us games, total victory hound.
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I'd rather keep the third it would take to draft him and snag selvie in the late 3rd or with our 4th. Gocong is pretty average. While we may be used to that being a good thing, I'd rather we drafted better players. Roth is solid on the strong side. David Bowens is a decent backup, and Bernard performed better than expected. I'd rather have an impact player like Graham, Selvie, or Hughes on the weak side than spending a pick for someone we know is an average, steady player.
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Well, at the same time, you can give up the third now and get a guy you know can produce, at least at a certain level. Or, you keep the third and hope that the guy you want that would fit that position is still there.
Known vs. unknown.
I don't know enough about Gocong, outside of what I'm reading here, to know whether it would be worth it or not.
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j/c Some info: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/draft/425410http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/47865.htmlWhat I find interesting is that he started out at NT in college and got moved to DE and dominated. When drafted, he was drafted as a 264 lb OLB in the 4-3 - quite big for a 4-3 OLB. If you look at ESPN's depth chart, they have him in the middle (NFL.com doesn't list him at all). He's got nice size for a 3-4 OLB with decent speed, and from what I've read a nonstop motor. I question why Heckert helped draft him into Philly, but would definitely be open to him being here. He was one of the guys I would have considered when FA started. He was low tendered, which means Philly would have received a 3rd rounder if anyone offered him a contract and Philly didn't match. That being said, I'd guess the league thought that was too high - as such, I'd suspect we'd offer either a 4th this year or a contiditonal next year going as high as a 3rd. just a guess.
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Or a player and maybe one of our late rounders...we got plenty. That wouldn't be much of a investment then. He is very solid...maybe not great but worth the investment listed IMO (depending on who we would trade) 
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We have plenty of 5th round picks. Can't see how a guy who lost his job is worth much more than a later round pick or two.
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Why bother? I don't know how good he is or isn't, I just cringe at the thought of picking up other team's scraps.
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Wouldn't the 3rd round pick be better used to trade up for a guy we target?
We've got some decent linebackers right now, some guys with potential and some not, but should be better when combined with a stud LB I hope we get in the draft.
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Just to clarify, If we had intended to spend a 3rd round pick on him we would have acted prior to him signing his tender. Acting after suggests that we're saying "No one in the league thinks he's worth a 3rd, how about a couple of 5th's?" or whatever we're offering.
But I can't imagine we're talking 3rd rounder.
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Thats along the lines of my thinking. A backup player maybe that dosent fit our needs and a late rounder or 2 late rounders and no player. I agree he might not be worth a third but if you get a solid starter for a mid round pick.....you are doing good. Depends on how you look at it.  Just some food for thought. 
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2 5ths I'd be fine with it. By then you're much deeper into the "crapshoot" realm of the draft. If that's what we're talking then I'm fine with it.
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But I can't imagine we're talking 3rd rounder.
I'm not going to read this entire thread,, but is there any official word as to what we are offering at all?
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Nope! All speculation because he was tendred a 3rd. IMO that dosent meen what it would take to trade for him yet it makes for a starting point of discussion.
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Acting after suggests that we're saying "No one in the league thinks he's worth a 3rd, how about a couple of 5th's?" or whatever we're offering.
I agree, I was just knee-jerk reacting over the mere idea of a 3rd for some guy we've barely heard of.
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We have plenty of 5th round picks. Can't see how a guy who lost his job is worth much more than a later round pick or two.
I could see a 5th here.
He appears to be a decent talent who would come with a minimal investment, and who I believe would be a modest upgrade. (Over the guy we just traded for a 3rd) He also plays special teams well ..... and that's a necessity for a guy you draft or trade for with a 5th rounder.
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Nope! All speculation because he was tendred a 3rd.
IMO that dosent meen what it would take to trade for him yet it makes for a starting point of discussion
Ahh, I see.. Thanks man..... I would hope the don't give up a 3rd also, but if they deem him to be a quailty LB.. then at least you know what your getting...
Remember during the Presser where Holmgren introduced Heckert. Mangini was there and a discussion of the similar guys they like to draft was brought up,, Gocong was a guy that Mangini wanted but that Philly snapped up before his tern to pick. Mangini was with NY at the time.
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Living in Philly I see too many Eagles games. I always thought this guy was pretty solid, but this is the first I'd heard of him losing his starting position. Not sure why that happened at all. That being said, I'd snap him up for a 5th with no hesitation.
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we have NO need to trade for Gocong.. if we do.. then why the freak would we draft BOTH David Veikune and Kaluka Maiva.
Gini's love fest with Gocong is about to go overboard if we give up a much needed 3rd rounder.
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Because Veikune and Maivia were terrible picks and shouldn't have been made! To all you Veikune apologists, its time to move on. Accept it, dudes a bum.
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What if we give up a 5th? We have 4 of those. I would consider that a steal.
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didn't they tender him as a 3rd rounder though? I thought we had to give up a 3rd for this guy... if its a 5th or 6th rounder, then I guess I'm okay with it. but definitely not for a third.
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They tendered him at a 3rd round level. But he signed the tender. Meaning he can be traded for anything.
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o okay.. thx for explaining that.
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didn't they tender him as a 3rd rounder though? I thought we had to give up a 3rd for this guy... if its a 5th or 6th rounder, then I guess I'm okay with it. but definitely not for a third.
He signed his tender. Now he is again a member of the Eagles, and can be kept, cut, or traded as they see fit.
They can trade him for a box of tissues if they wanted to.
Don't confuse a trade with an RFA contract tender.
However, we would probablty have to sweeten the deal with the player, because, IIRC from the Abe Elam deal last season, he would have to agree to being traded after signing back with the Eagles. The opportunity to be a starter again would probably be a solid start .... but an extension or other incentive would probably be added.
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The reason Elam had to jump through all the hoops is because he had already signed an offer sheet with the Browns earlier in the off-season and the Jets matched it. Then in order to be traded to the same team that he signed the offer sheet that was matched he had to sign some sort of waiver.
Gocong won't have to do any of that.
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Well he's not all-world, but he's a solid LB who can contribute to the team. I know we drafted some guys last year, but Veikune didn't show us a thing yet. For the right price, I'd be happy with it.
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That's right. I remembered some reason, and now that you mention it, I remember it better.  lol
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Gini's love fest with Gocong is about to go overboard if we give up a much needed 3rd rounder.
You are acting like Mangini is the only one with any say so in the matter.
Heckert also feels Gocong is a pretty good player.
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Without being up to speed, then why are the Eagles dumping him ? Is this a salary move ?
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Don't confuse a trade with an RFA contract tender.
Just thinking a little out of the box, but if he was tendered for a 3rd rounder.. all the browns had to do was offer up a 3rd and he becomes a Brown (if the Eagles didn't match that is)
So if they were going to give up a 3rd, I'd think they'd have done it before he signed his tender. Sounds to me as if they aren't thinking in terms of a 3rd.. more of a 4th or 5th rounder would be my only guess..
like I said, just some out of the box thinking..
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I thought I saw that he was a 4-3 DE in college. Is this an example of a player just not really fitting into the system. They have him playing as an OLB in the 4-3. Would he benefit from moving to a 34 defense and playing a rush LB? I don't really know much about the guy other than what I read.
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seems like i end up watching a fair number of philli games for some reason, guess it comes with living in the NFC market. Anyways, i thought Gocong was an up an comer. I did not realize that he had lost his starting position. I think he would be an excellent addition, even if it was the third rounder we got out of Wimbley - now optimistically, we would be trading a lower pick for him. Either way, he is an improvement. I really like the sounds of this "rumor"
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I thought I saw that he was a 4-3 DE in college. Is this an example of a player just not really fitting into the system. They have him playing as an OLB in the 4-3. Would he benefit from moving to a 34 defense and playing a rush LB? I don't really know much about the guy other than what I read.
As I noted above, he is very big at 264 for a 4-3 OLB. Size isn't the only thing obviously, but he's 20-25 lbs heavier than all of the top 4-3 OLB prospects. That being said, he's 5-15lbs lighter than most of the 3-4 guys...
Look at some of the draft prospects slated for 4-3 OLBs:
Sean Weatherspoon 6-1, 239lb
Eric Norwood 6-0, 245lb
Thaddeus Gibson 6-2, 243lb
Navorro Bowman 6-0, 242lb
Rennie Curran 5-10, 235lb
Then look at some of the draft prospects slated for 4-3 OLBs:
Brandon Graham 6-1, 268lb
Carlos Dunlap 6-5, 277lb
Everson Griffen 6-3, 278 lb
Jerry Hughes 6-2, 255lb
Jason Pierre-Paul 6-5, 270lb
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Without being up to speed, then why are the Eagles dumping him ? Is this a salary move ?
Because he's an awful fit for the 4-3.
On the other hand, he'd be a very good fit in 3-4 OLB pass rusher.
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j/c Here's another link, just in case the refs don't like the original ones. Browns | Interested in Gocong Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:44:02 -0700 Aaron Wilson, of the National Football Post, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have held preliminary discussions with the Cleveland Browns about trading LB Chris Gocong, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation. No deal is imminent, but talks are expected to continue heading into the NFL Draft. http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nfl#ixzz0jmaGf4KM
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Just to clarify, If we had intended to spend a 3rd round pick on him we would have acted prior to him signing his tender. Acting after suggests that we're saying "No one in the league thinks he's worth a 3rd, how about a couple of 5th's?" or whatever we're offering.
But I can't imagine we're talking 3rd rounder.
If the front office is talking 3rd rounder, Im hoping they wait to see who is available in the draft then make the trade. Since this probably wont happen until draft day, Im hoping thats how it happens. That might be how both sides are playing it.
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I thought Thaddeus Gibson was going to be a 3-4 LB?
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