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He played both positions in TC, but mostly saw him at OLBer throughout camp. We cant judge his position off of game film because he never played a down on defense, recorded zero tackles, and was IRed. But he isn't predominatly either lber position. So calling him an ILBer is inaccurate.

You must have missed the part where I said "I'd consider it a backwards fumble" Gocong sucks....punt him

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While I appreciate your effort to not consider me a troll (why would I waste my time? Why would I know so much about this franchise?) ...I'm not against every move this franchise makes....I still, to this day, defend Savage's drafts, Williams-Rogers trades (go find a DL picked after late round 2 of that draft that is better than Williams) etc ...I'm not saying he was good, but he was NFL average...believe it or not...go look up the Pats drafts over the same period

and while I am by no means a Delhomme-Wallace fan...I can understand why those moves where made...it was the best that was out there, we could not afford to wait on the McNabb sweepstakes...stupid Eagles outsmarted themselves....they wanted a 1st minimum when we were still in it...now they lowered it to a 2nd, lol

I don't hate EVERY move, I don't hate just to hate...I consider myself informed and opinionated...your reactions to them are really not MY problem

someone asked for "rational thought" for my Mangini hatred, lol....I have articles of Jets players partying Mangini's firing to articles of Mangini buds filing lawsuits against the Browns (Kokinis), Mangini snitching on the guy who made him famous (Belly) after years of not saying a word when he was on his side (spineless anyone?), article on Mangini make the Browns franchise look like a dollhouse (Greer-agent story on Browns-botched "visit" and Kokinis apologizing to him for Mangini eff up), articles about Mangini "being known as a loner with social skills of a high school loser and being the running gag around league circles because of that", articles of Harrison bashing Mangini ("if I would say what I think...", remember?) and as a result not having seen the field over lame Jennings for WEEKS, aricles of Belly cutting Mangini off of his DC duties late in his last year in NE because of ineffectiveness....and that are only OUTSIDE articles about FACTS and I posted them ALL...and I haven't even started to tell you WHAT I (or better: pretty much all of us) SAW EVERY SUNDAY...people must have forgotten that we went 10 weeks in a row without a RB or WR scoring a TD....I don't know about you but that alone is enough for me to consider a Coach moronic to clueless and TO GET RID OF HIM...ASAP...or what about our 2nd half stats that tell you all you need to know about Mangini's "adjustment skills"...it goes on and on....there are enough "rational" arguments out there to reveal the cluelessness of Mangini....problem is, most of you guys prefer the "conspiracy theory" (media bashing, because Mangini is not a likeable guy etc, completely ignoring the FACT that we regressed in pretty much EVERY important BOTTOM LINE statistic under his tenure) when confronted with them or resort to name calling/bashing of the poster, who's telling you those arguments....I know a lot about THAT, lol

but yeah it's BLIND hatred, no RATIONAL arguments made

I think it's BLIND loyalty with IRRATIONAL arguments....I always ask for arguments PRO Mangini in those debates....all I get is farty AIR...telling...there are none..yeah, the discipline..we get 10yds/game less penalty...hurray...we got 20+yds/game less on Offense and get 20+ more on D....is it worth it? you do the math

Oh and on Veikune: I needed 2 plays to know everything about him:

1st play was in preseason where he got ourun for a TD by a 4th string blocking TE of the Bears (who was later cut I think) on a seam route..he lost 5+yds on 15yd ground...no joke

2nd play was also against the Bears, this time in the regular season game...it was a GL play for our D...he was in at ILB...he stood around not knowing what to do, tackling the RB 2yds INTO the endzone, lol...I remember myslf thinking "oh my god this dumbass doesn't even know what to do on a goal line play"...he really froze on a GL-play as if there was 50+yds to cover behind him, priceless...that's when I realized this guy S.U.C.K.S and will NEVER make it in this league

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maybe we was going to trade rodgers for gocong and mcnabb

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Interesting ....

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6384866/20711262?tag=comBlogEntryListCnt;entry20711262

Eagles' Brown, Gocong on verge of going to Browns
Posted on: April 2, 2010 12:24 am
Edited on: April 2, 2010 12:36 amScore: 161Sign-up to rate:Sign-up to rate: Sign-up to rate: The Philadelphia Eagles are close to completing a deal, sources said, that would send disgruntled cornerback Sheldon Brown and linebacker Chris Gocong to Cleveland in exchange for one of two packages -- either a draft pick and player or two draft picks and a backup. The deal, which was expected to have been completed by now, is contingent on Brown gaining a new contract.

That, of course, has been the subject of Brown's unhappiness for the past year. It was last April that he demanded to be traded when the Eagles refused to renegotiate his deal, which had four years remaining on it. The Eagles didn't budge, and Brown not only played the season; he played so well that some persons within the organization thought he deserved Pro Bowl consideration -- with Brown producing a career-best five interceptions and returning a fumble and interception for touchdowns.

However, Brown was one of a handful of players -- including quarterback Donovan McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel -- who did not appear when the Eagles opened their offseason workouts this week, leading to speculation that he might be on the trading block. A second-round draft pick in 2002, Brown didn't miss a game the past six years and missed only one start during that time.

Gocong, a third-round draft pick in 2006, never became the pass rusher the Eagles had hoped and last year lost his starting job as the team's strong-side linebacker late in the season to Moise Fokou. He is expected to play an inside linebacker position with Cleveland.

It is unclear when the trade will be finalized, but sources indicated that it could be completed in "the near future" -- with Brown's contract serving as the last major obstacle. When completed, it will be the third major trade pulled off in the past three weeks by new Cleveland president Mike Holmgren. Holmgren on March 14 sent quarterback Brady Quinn to Denver and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley to Oakland for fullback Peyton Hillis and draft picks.

seeing that Heckert came from Philly.. it shouldn't take very much to get both Brown and Gocong..

Well, that's very interesting.. thanks for the read Ytown...

Now this one could be a goodun...Takin' a chance on Gocong being anything better than AVG as an OLB in a 3-4 switch...

DJ...OK...Gocong SUCKS...U say it we believe it...GMAB...There is no way in hell we can say what Gocong can do in a 3-4 switch to OLB...

But Sheldon Brown immediately goes opposite Wright...Takes Haden OFF our wish list...Corner gets addressed later...

Do I hear Eric Berry????????????...That would be a SOLID Secondary upgrade...

Kinda leaves us with Clausen/Berry and a OT as #7 options...

Hope our highest pick given up is one of the 3's...

what and/or who would you give up for Gocong and Brown though?

Who could philly want that we have?

Qb? no
RB? no.. Harrison maybe, but they have McCoy
FB? heck no
WR? no
TE? no
O-line? Steiny is probably the only expendable guy, but Reid likes Heavy Sloppy Joe type guys.. Steiny is not that.
D-line? Robaire Smith? Coleman? Maybe.
LB's? We got rid of Wimbley already.
CB's? McDonald? I doubt it. Coye? I doubt it.
Safety? We have no.. Abe Elam is garbage. Furrey is a WR.

Will probably have to be draft picks only. I'd do a 4th and 5th at max.

So...we will trade for a 3rd rund bust and a 31yo CB who declined significantly in the 2nd half of last season (ask some Eagles fans, most are ok with getting rid of him) AND who wants a new contract....if we give up a 3rd for Brown it would be foolish, the Eagles have no leverage....Brown is an aging, declining CB who wants more money...they want to DUMP him, just like we dumped C.Williams

Oh, and has anybody thought about Dqwell? That's who the Eagles may be targeting...I wouldn't deal Dqwell for both of those guys straight up

LOL I wanna be here the day after we win a Superbowl so that I can read a post by you telling the world that the Hotdogs sold at the Superbowl were horrible and have no flavor and the Beer was flat and it's all because Holmgren ordered it be that way because he didn't want the Browns to ever upstage the Packers.......

we don't need 12 rookies trying to make this team. How many will make the team anyway?

As long as we keep our top 5 or 6 picks I have no problem with trading away any or all of our bottom 6 or 7 picks to get these 2 players.

DJ...OK...Gocong SUCKS...U say it we believe it...GMAB...There is no way in hell we can say what Gocong can do in a 3-4 switch to OLB...

But Sheldon Brown immediately goes opposite Wright...Takes Haden OFF our wish list...Corner gets addressed later...



Oh I'm sure DJ will enlighten us all on it...
Me I'll wait and see what they give up and what these guys do if it goes down.

I would welcome this trade depending on the level of compensation. We desperately need CB help.

YTown, thanks for rescuing the anti Mang thread. I really do not know how well these guys perform, but might be a bit of EM apple polishing to include some folks he thinks might help, so if it is a cookie for him, so be it if they are really players. A bit of caretaking for the head coach. Hope it gets done; in terms of picks, sounds like a bargain.
Great post, Ytown. Interesting. Confused on one point though; I thought all of our players were backups , so which one goes? Kidding. Hope this happens.

Philadelphia Eagles
Needs: G, OLB, S and DE (and if they trade Brown, CB easily makes this list)

"The defense slipped in 2009 in the first year under Sean McDermott, but it's not his fault as the Eagles got down to a third middle linebacker and never recovered from the loss of Brian Dawkins. Look for the Eagles to target three to four defensive players in the draft."

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d...mp;confirm=true

Now go back to your cave

IMO...DQ Jackson = Andra Davis.

Never really seen what anyone has for DQ other than a average starter that will prolly be a backup on most teams.

If this goes down.....throw LBer McClain as a possible 7th pick.

Brown would be solid for a couplw years. That fills a need till it can be addressed (if so deemed) in the 2011 draft or FA.

We do not have to nor can we fix all this year.

I think Django is right. It will probably be Jackson and the 3rd we got for Wimbley or Edwards... maybe our 4th if we're lucky.

Much to your head exploding reactions..Brown has been a dependable corner for Philly..very good in coverage..same with tackling..
He could also be played at FS since he is a solid tackler..
So I can see a lot to this trade.
If Jackson is invoved in the trade ,I can also see Gocong being moved inside..there's a shocking thought for U...

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is Brown at 31 really worth the $s? and the time (delaying a TRUE CB upgrade?)?

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I agree 100% with this part of your post (*edit: at least as far as questioning the value of "delaying" an influx of good young talent.

I have yet to see a 30+ yo player in this league that does NOT regress the moment he signs his last big contract in this league...Brown significantly regressed the 2nd Half of last season...go talk to some Eagles diehards...it's no coincidence that they are shopping him...they don't even have a replacement outside....Hanson is a Nickelback

Funny how everyone seems to think that a switch to a 3-4 does make Gocong magically a better player...guy has not made any big plays for years now, he is a really great athlete and yet has only 4sacks, 2 FF, 0 INT and 8PDs in 4 years in the league...what does that tell me? He sucks....he isn't in position to make ANY plays be it rushing the passer or coverage....Gocong is their 3rd round version of Wimbley, they want to dump him because they already KNOW they have to upgrade on him and WILL NOT re-sign him (that's another factor you guys seem to forget: if he sucks with us too, which I expect, then we basically traded for a 1year rental...great idea...let those deals to Al Davis please)

Are these guys merely stopgaps? A 31 year old cornerback and an underachieving LB cannot be thought of anything else. I just hope the Browns see that their future is tied directly to the draft...selecting and developing young, hungry guys...and not trading away draft picks for another team's discards. If the Browns trade any picks before the 4th round for these guys, then they've been snookered.

The Browns will not be going to the Super Bowl this season. But they may be in position to go in a few years if they draft properly. Will Sheldon Brown at 34 years old still be starting for them at that point? Will Chris Gocong be playing a key roll for them in 2012 or 2013? Just thinking out loud.

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I have yet to see a 30+ yo player in this league that does NOT regress the moment he signs his last big contract in this league

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Not named Randy Moss.

Hmm, let's see....the perennial PO-team Eagles with President Banner decided to let this "brain" Heckert go and named "a young clueless kid" their GM and the perennial headless loser-Browns made out on that...hmm, yeah that's the way it must have gone done

Don't get me wrong...I think Heckert has potential but to insinuate that the Eagles are run by dolts compared to the Browns to make an argument is really gross

You seem to know other Eagles fans than me...I trust my guys, they know their football and aren't homers...the Eagles and especially Brown got shredded late last season...you just don't let a vet in his prime go while your SB-run window is still open without having someone waiting in the wings (like at QB with Kolb), right? because, you know, that's what they are doing if your assessment of Brown is correct...so who is the idiot here? Heckert or the entire Eagles FO?

Also, why haven't we tried to sign Vasher or Robsinson? If you're willing to spend big money on a CB, at least do it on a younger one WITHOUT having to give up picks...that's just stupid and bad management

Heckert coming from Philly is NOT a good argument for bad management...a good GM and FO has to know ALL available players around the league, not only the guys he was around...I expected this ... with Mangini...but seeing it now from Heckert is a little discomforting to say the least

Savage got us his Ravens Lewis and Baxter, Mangini his boatload of failed Jets...see a pattern?

go talk to some Eagles diehards...it's no coincidence that they are shopping him...they don't even have a replacement outside....Hanson is a Nickelback


Actually I did before I posted..and their remarks are that he is still a good corner and his age and coverage is the only negative...


Funny how everyone seems to think that a switch to a 3-4 does make Gocong magically a better player.


You're very good at ASSuming what EVERYONE thinks when you don't know what the one person is thinking...Until I say he's gonna do this or that..do me a favor..don't lump every name that U disagree with into the same boat..
I said I'd wait n see what either player does..I also don't have a issue if it's a low pick..it keeps the Browns from having to reach for LB/CB in the draft if the value isn't there.