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Cleveland Browns' new possible draft target: Penn State lineman Jared Odrick CLEVELAND -- The new name to watch as a contender for the Browns' first draft choice is Penn State defensive lineman Jared Odrick. "He's a guy who's gained significant traction on NFL draft boards and the Browns are right on him," said a league source. The Browns have worked out Odrick privately and also plan to bring him to Berea before the draft. Odrick is 6-5 and weighs 304 pounds and possesses long arms and big hands. He played inside in Penn State's four-man line but is considered a perfect end in the Browns' 3-4 defense. "You're talking a defensive lineman that does not have any fat on him," said the source. "He's all muscle. He's a tailor-made Patriots type of player. Richard Seymour-type. He's perfect for what the Browns do on their defensive line." Evidently the Patriots see a bit of Seymour, their former star lineman, in Odrick. They have been on his trail for weeks. But they draft 22nd and know that Odrick will be long gone. Once considered a borderline first-round pick, Odrick is one of eight players invited by the NFL to attend the April 22-24 draft in New York City. Since the Browns acquired Philadelphia cornerback Sheldon Brown last week, it has been assumed that they now can rivet their attention to acquiring Tennessee safety Eric Berry with the No. 7 overall pick. The source believes that Berry remains a consideration with Earl Thomas of Texas, but Odrick would be the choice because he would have a bigger impact than either safety. Browns General Manager Tom Heckert consistently has stated his belief that elite teams are built on the offensive and defensive lines. Odrick makes sense for the Browns because their starting ends in 2009 both are over 30. Kenyon Coleman turns 31 this month and Robaire Smith is 33. Also, nose tackle Shaun Rogers' future is uncertain after he was arrested last week at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport for trying to board an airplane with a loaded gun. Moving Rogers to end was a possibility before the incident. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/04/cleveland_browns_new_possible.html
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I like him....but not at 7, it would be nice to trade into the teens to be able to land him.
Assuming Berry is gone.
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I like him....but not at 7, it would be nice to trade into the teens to be able to land him.
Assuming Berry is gone.
agreed. though I would rather have Earl Thomas if we are in the teens.
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True but I would happily settle for Nate Allen in the second.
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if he's still there.
i guess my issue is that I really want one of 3 safeties (berry, thomas, allen)
or one of 2 CBs (Haden, Ghee)
and if we pass up on DB in the 1st round, there's a decent chance they are all gone by our 2nd pick.
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Since the Browns acquired Philadelphia cornerback Sheldon Brown last week, it has been assumed..
Nothing has been ASSumed...
that they now can rivet their attention to acquiring Tennessee safety Eric Berry with the No. 7 overall pick. The source believes that Berry remains a consideration with Earl Thomas of Texas, but Odrick would be the choice because he would have a bigger impact than either safety.
Yeah like we all know what the Browns will do 3 weeks before the draft..MH is playing this right..drop every name you can except the one U want..
Now a thought to take the opposite side of the argument....Odrick could have a huge impact especially if Rodgers is gone/suspended/whatevea..The Dline needa a young attacking DE that actually fits the 34 ..Berry would still be a playmaker but this kid would be there @ 7 regardless...
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I bet Allen will still be there.
But I would even be happy going the route of drafting Thomas in the first and Carrington in the second.
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it wouldn't exactly be the first time a 3-4 DE prospect shot up boards in the last couple weeks before the draft (like Ty Warren & Tyson Jackson).
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I never have issues drafting linemen on either side of the ball. The thing that worries me here is that he seems to be rising similar to Tyson Jackson did around this time last year.
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The only way I see the Browns taking Odrick is if they trade down or they cannot trade down and Berry is not there.
As for mock drafts...I don't care about them, Odrick is a great fit for a 3-4 team.
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Like the value chart I posted in the other thread was saying players will rise due to teams needs and fitts..
Odrick may rise if someone wants a 34 end early..
Another little tidbit..in some war rooms Ryan Matthews is rated ahead of C.J. Spiller ..it's kind of a secret...not a huge one ,but it shows that draftsites are not intune or privy to know what the actual rankings are.
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I would not be upset with Odrick, just a little concerned about his late rise as well as what history shows happens when we select PSU d-linemen.... 
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Remember last year Tyson Jackson ended up as the #3 overall pick. So it's not out of the question doe us to take Odrick. Especially with our front office guys love of linemen.
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Plus, a lot of mock drafts and analysts are living ten years in the past. A guy like Jackson or Odrick will be valued more now due to approx. 1/2 the league running some variation of the 3-4.
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thats exactly why the Browns are looking at him, if we trade down we need to be prepared with enough information to make a pick, becuase there no telling where we can trading down into, We have no clue if it's 10-13 range or are we falling back into the 17-21 range ? we dont know yet and the more were prepared the better we can move about.
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Odrick is NOT an 3-4 End...he has the body but not the discipline and consistency to play this position...he is MUCH better off going to a 4-3 team
God I hope those Mitchell and Odrick "interests" are only smokescreens...
This could actually be my absolut night mare scenario...Clausen, Odrick and then Mitchell
I agree 100% with the poster who's pimping N.Allen in the 2nd...if we can't land Berry he's the only day 1 starting caliber FS there is left imho....if we go later rounds I'm all for Brian Jackson, big CB from Oklahoma...a step slow but great tackler and perfectly suited to play FS...
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Allen is not great in man coverage..
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Allen is not great in man coverage..
I know...and he won't ever make the ProBowl or an All-Pro List...but he will be a steady hitter with good zone awareness (read: he WILL make plays as long as the play is in front of him, we play our FS deep anyway), who will delegate your whole DB and maybe D...he's a celebral DB and we need somebody like him
He's a good mix of talent and dependability....
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I always worry about those guys whose draft stock shoots up well AFTER the football playing is over because some "measurable" is just too awesome to ignore..
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Odrick is NOT an 3-4 End...he has the body but not the discipline and consistency to play this position...he is MUCH better off going to a 4-3 team
God I hope those Mitchell and Odrick "interests" are only smokescreens...
This could actually be my absolut night mare scenario...Clausen, Odrick and then Mitchell
I agree 100% with the poster who's pimping N.Allen in the 2nd...if we can't land Berry he's the only day 1 starting caliber FS there is left imho....if we go later rounds I'm all for Brian Jackson, big CB from Oklahoma...a step slow but great tackler and perfectly suited to play FS...
Strongly disagree. Odrick has the game to be a great fit at 3-4 end in the mold of Aaron Smith or Ty Warren. He needs to learn how to gain consistency, especially against double teams (which all comes when you really learn how to play the 5 technique after being a 3 technique all through college), but his tools are all perfect for our system.
3-4 DEs aren't as exciting as playmaking defensive backs or linebackers, but it's hard to find a really great one. I think it would be smart to get another mid round pick in a trade down b/c I really think Odrick will be there in the teens.
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I always worry about those guys whose draft stock shoots up well AFTER the football playing is over because some "measurable" is just too awesome to ignore..
I'd be interested to see what these sort of guys level of success in the NFL is. It would have to be objective because I know I only remember the failures and wonder how many successes there have been.
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The sad part is, there simply aren't a lot of guys highly taughted that fit in the 3-4 on the DL this year.
So somebody is going to HAVE to reach to get them.
I think this is the case with Ordick. He isn't suddenly running up the chart on the basis of talent, but with more teams going to the 3-4, he's rising because of so much need at the position yet not the talent to fill it.
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Strongly disagree. Odrick has the game to be a great fit at 3-4 end in the mold of Aaron Smith or Ty Warren. He needs to learn how to gain consistency, especially against double teams (which all comes when you really learn how to play the 5 technique after being a 3 technique all through college), but his tools are all perfect for our system.
3-4 DEs aren't as exciting as playmaking defensive backs or linebackers, but it's hard to find a really great one. I think it would be smart to get another mid round pick in a trade down b/c I really think Odrick will be there in the teens.
I will be pretty PO if we pick Odrick at #38 but if we trade up for him I'll probably break something in my vicinity, same applies to Mays and Iupati by the way, I want no part of those 3 at #38....Odrick either makes a big play or is on his butt....he's on his butt A LOT...I just don't think you will get it out of him...his playing style...I don't want a younger version of disgruntled Corey Williams
When I have to read "coach up" like in oyur post I always cringe...if you have to "coach up" somebody you take in the top 40 or maybe even in the 1st WITH trade up...there should not be much "coaching up" to do, you know? Why risk it?
It happens every year...some FO and overconfident HC see "potential" and totally forget about production...a guy like Corey Peters will probably be there in round 4 or 5 and he's better in my book to man the 3-4 DE spot
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Intangibles: Work ethic and consistency of effort have been questioned in the past, but he appeared to turn a corner in 2009. Cited for disorderly conduct and fined for a February 2009 early morning fight in downtown State College.
NFL Comparison: Fili Moala, Indianapolis Colts
DL prospects with questionable work ethic IN COLLEGE are really, really BAD FITS for disciplined 3-4 role, sorry...and the Moala-comparison really doesn't help much  ...just say no please....he has the measurables but not the consistency and heart to make it in the NFL....it's not all about talent in this league
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i didn't say he had to be coached up, I just said that he'll get better at consistently handling double teams when he gets more experience playing the 5 technique. He was a 3 technique gap penetrator at Penn State. Any time you draft a guy to play in a 3-4 defensive front at either DL or LB he will have to make a slight position change since hardly any team plays 3-4 in college. And we're not talking about Odrick going at 38....we're talking about Odrick at 7th overall or maybe a little lower if we trade down.
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This would only be viable under a trade-back scenario because I would want another 2nd or 3rd rounder to make the value work out.
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Read this: Competitive --- Smart with superb instincts and awareness --- Hard worker
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Jared-Odrick.php
And for the record, I do not want Odrick in the 1st round. Depending on who was available, I probably wouldn't mind him at 38, but he won't be there.
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Scott Wrigh is rubbish, sorry....we both now  He has no clue....the funniest part is when guys he didn't like for month all of a sudden appear in his Top100 despite a horrible Report....that's when he hears some rumors about where teams have certain players...I have stopped reading his BS for years now and would advise everyone to do so too...but even Wright noticed Odrick's "Relatively average production and did not make a lot of impact play"....DL who underachieve in College have a bust factor waaaay over 50%...it's a position on the field where attitude, discipline, consistency and heart are almost as important as talent....Odrick is NOT a top 50 player, I wouldn't even include him in my Top 75 Who wants better sites, with real FILM reviews, not some recap of other sites...just shoot me a PM @keylime Odrick at 7? or after a trade down? I think I would stop watching the rest of the draft as I would have lost all hope for the new guys already...you draft guys who can start day 1 and are polished products that have produced...Odrick hasn't produced and would have to learn a new position that demands to dramatically improve his weaknesses...that's the definition of a "project"...no, thanks
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Odrick is NOT an 3-4 End...he has the body but not the discipline and consistency to play this position...he is MUCH better off going to a 4-3 team
God I hope those Mitchell and Odrick "interests" are only smokescreens...
Well that is enough for me......
I think I want the kid now!!!!    
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To repeat what I mentioned..now that this source leaked this out..it just shows us this new regime is going to smoke this for real..
I'm not going to debate whether the kid is good but only to say it's smokescreen to me..
Interesting that the Dlinemen the Browns had for a visit was Corey Peters ..Torell Troup...Jared Odrick .
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Outside of Berry I am not sure who I want at #7. Odrick is ok, Haden, Dan Williams, I dont know none jump off the page at me.
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J/C... previous to this stuff the team most-linked to Odrick has been the Pats. The Pats have 3 2s and 2 3s, as well as #22 overall.
The Pats #22, #44, and #53 overall come to a chart value of 1610. The Browns #7 and #93 come to 1628. Maye they want to get a mid/low 1st, a mid 2nd, and turn their late third into a mid 2nd?
That would leave the Browns with:
#22 (1st)
#38 (2nd)
#44 (2nd)
#53 (2nd)
#72 (3rd)
#86 (3rd)
+3 5ths and 2 6ths
Not saying it will happen, just throwing that out there. Just a thought.
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I agree Attack.
It's going to be nice to see a FO who has the credentials actualy build a real franchise here.
And IMO they're playing every possible angle.
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I will be pretty PO if we pick Odrick at #38 but if we trade up for him I'll probably break something in my vicinity, same applies to Mays and Iupati by the way, I want no part of those 3 at #38
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The Patriots usually like to go the other way with their picks. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up trading out of the 1st round and end up with something like six 2nd round picks.
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J/C... previous to this stuff the team most-linked to Odrick has been the Pats. The Pats have 3 2s and 2 3s, as well as #22 overall.
The Pats #22, #44, and #53 overall come to a chart value of 1610. The Browns #7 and #93 come to 1628. Maye they want to get a mid/low 1st, a mid 2nd, and turn their late third into a mid 2nd?
That would leave the Browns with:
#22 (1st)
#38 (2nd)
#44 (2nd)
#53 (2nd)
#72 (3rd)
#86 (3rd)
+3 5ths and 2 6ths
Not saying it will happen, just throwing that out there. Just a thought.
I don't know why people use those draft charts... I thought it was pretty well known now that these high picks don't hold as much value with the contracts that come with picking that high. Just looking at what we accumulated from moving down last year, there is no way the pats would give us their 1st and TWO 2010 second round picks for the #7 pick. A more realistic scenario would be the 22nd pick, this year third, a next year 4th, and a borderline over 30 yr old player like a Kenyon Coleman or backup DB,
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There is No way that Belichek would give up these valuable picks for 1 rookie!  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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I don't feel the need for Haden is there unless the Browns move Brown to S...otherwise the need is actually safety and I would think Earl Thomas becomes the target if Berry is gone.
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I understand the logic behind taking Thomas, I am just not as high on him as others. I think he is a great player but not sure he is #7 pick in the draft, which is where the issue with many of the other players come in, value. I dont want to reach for a player.
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