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I listened to it too and he did not say semen but male DNA was found in her genital area with a superficial laceration and some bleeding and that the ER doctor could not say 100% for that it can from a sexual assault.
I'll try to post a link so everyone can watch. I know you can access it via scout.com.
As I read more, I do believe it was semen they found.
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Q: How important was the lack of DNA evidence in the prosecutor's decision? A: It was a more important factor than Bright indicated in his news conference. Bright minimized its importance as he explained his decision. Bright suggested that although the swabs from the emergency room rape kit contained some male DNA, it was not a sufficiently large amount to permit DNA testing. If there had been enough DNA for testing and the tests showed that it was Roethlisberger's semen, it would have been important evidence. If the tests had shown it was not Roethlisberger's DNA, the evidence would have been conclusive. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5078977We do know it was not a fingernail, or blood from benny..........
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I listened to it too and he did not say semen but male DNA was found in her genital area with a superficial laceration and some bleeding and that the ER doctor could not say 100% for that it can from a sexual assault.
I'll try to post a link so everyone can watch. I know you can access it via scout.com.
As I read more, I do believe it was semen they found.
I believe the article I linked said they found semen...there just wasnt enough of it to be of any use. I know there is some good jokes there somewhere...
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Maybe he's not so big afterall....
Sorry, I know this isn't a funny situation. I feel badly for any woman that crosses this jacks path.
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Mitochondral testing can identify a persons sex.....but if they had a hair, it would be easier using normal methods to determine if it was Ben's.
A dab of semen would have also pinned him, so i am not exactly sure what they are talking about.
To me it sounds like they don't doubt something happened but upon questioning the young lady some inconsistencies were present making it a much harder case to prosecute.
I am not sticking up for him, but I suppose I am if she was a willing participant until it was over....and that is what I am reading in to all of this.
If she was solid in her story and they had DNA, they would move forward.
Something privy to just a few is blocking this.
At any rate the guy needs to get something from the league. The guy doesn't need to be catting around in college towns looking for 20 year old coeds.
Just go to Vegas and hire a bunch of hookers if that's your bag.. You might still get in trouble, but you aren't going to be in a position to be charged with rape.
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I am not sticking up for him, but I suppose I am if she was a willing participant until it was over....and that is what I am reading in to all of this.
One of his bodyguards had to escort the highly intoxicated girl to the bathroom....and then pigben followed her there. The bodyguard wouldn't let the victim's friend or anyone else near that bathroom to check on her. The girl has some culpability for getting that drunk, but the shame is on roethlisburger for pouncing on a vulnerable drunk girl in a bathroom while his bodyguard stood watch. That's sick no matter how you look at it.
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I am not sticking up for him, but I suppose I am if she was a willing participant until it was over....and that is what I am reading in to all of this.
One of his bodyguards had to escort the highly intoxicated girl to the bathroom....and then pigben followed her there. The bodyguard wouldn't let the victim's friend or anyone else near that bathroom to check on her. The girl has some culpability for getting that drunk, but the shame is on roethlisburger for pouncing on a vulnerable drunk girl in a bathroom while his bodyguard stood watch. That's sick no matter how you look at it.
Throw in buying shots for under age people.
Seems like any other time when an underage drinker is involved in an incident the police look for whoever supplied the alcohol. Must be different in Georgia I guess.
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I don't think it's Ben's fault that they were given admittance to a bar.
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I don't think it's Ben's fault that they were given admittance to a bar.
No, it is not his fault. He DID supply alcohol to underage drinkers - well, at least one. And that is his fault.
If I'm not mistaken, you are not 21. If we had a big Browns bash, and I gave you a beer, I'm in the wrong. What's the difference here?
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I am not sticking up for him, but I suppose I am if she was a willing participant until it was over....and that is what I am reading in to all of this.
One of his bodyguards had to escort the highly intoxicated girl to the bathroom....and then pigben followed her there. The bodyguard wouldn't let the victim's friend or anyone else near that bathroom to check on her. The girl has some culpability for getting that drunk, but the shame is on roethlisburger for pouncing on a vulnerable drunk girl in a bathroom while his bodyguard stood watch. That's sick no matter how you look at it.
Throw in buying shots for under age people.
Seems like any other time when an underage drinker is involved in an incident the police look for whoever supplied the alcohol. Must be different in Georgia I guess.
It's not different in Ga.....I live a 9 minute drive from Georgia.
The bar may be facing some issues from the local beer board..
It's not Ben's responsibility to check IDs at the door..
It's a pretty reasonable argument he should be able to expect that any encounters inside the establishment at the hour in question would be with a legal adult.
If she presented a false I.D. to gain admittance, that only works against her credibility.
Just telling you how it works.
Again, I am not sticking up for the guy.
Any guy who thinks doing some chick in a toilet is cool is a POS where I come from.....but.....this isn't about what we think. It's about what can be proved.
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I completely agree. Ben is a tool, but the alcohol part isn't his fault.
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I completely agree. Ben is a tool, but the alcohol part isn't his fault.
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I completely agree. Ben is a tool, but the alcohol part isn't his fault.
I'm a Steelers fan and I definitely agree that Big Stupid is a tool. Whether or not he is guilty of sexual assault, at the very least he certainly shows poor judgment and puts himself into horrible situations. I wish he would just grow up....
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I wish he would just grow up....
I wish some bodyguard would escort his drunk arse into a bathroom at a gay bar and stand guard while some boy george type had his way with 'ol ben. He'd have to change his last name to Dover.
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1st we don't know (or I don't anyway) if the bar was an over 21 only bar.
2nd there is some culpability. If an underage person is allowed into a bar and gets served alcohol, it is the bartender who gets into trouble not the bouncer checking ID's. May be different in the fine State of Georgia.
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1st we don't know (or I don't anyway) if the bar was an over 21 only bar.
2nd there is some culpability. If an underage person is allowed into a bar and gets served alcohol, it is the bartender who gets into trouble not the bouncer checking ID's. May be different in the fine State of Georgia.
All well and good, but what Peen was saying is "if someone gets into the bar, it is not up to another patron of the bar to determine the age of other people."
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Just a vote.. How many fathers would be happy about their daughters next to this... thing?
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No, it is not his fault. He DID supply alcohol to underage drinkers
Wait, she was in the bar right.. I'd assume that anyone in the bar had thier ID checked and was of legal age. that being the case, he may not have known he was buying booze for an underage drinker.. just sayin
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If she was solid in her story and they had DNA, they would move forward.
According to the legal dude on ESPN radio this morning, there were serious inconsistencies in the young ladies story. She was so drunk that she was near blackout and there was much she couldn't remember and many other facts that kept changing...
According to him, there was evidence that "something" happened in the bathroom, but no evidence that it was forced.. so without a solid testimony from her, they really had very little to prosecute.
He also made reference to the fact that Ben and "his crew" had gone in several bars in town that night and this same thing played out... him using his wealth and fame to attract young girls, buying them drinks, disappearing with them...
At best, Ben is a low life scum piece of crap... at worst he's a rapist.... For now, in the eyes of the law, he's just a low life scum piece of crap.
I found it funny how upset the local DA was that he couldn't prosecute him. He went out of his way to make sure you knew that he thought Ben was a real POS...
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Wait, she was in the bar right.. I'd assume that anyone in the bar had thier ID checked and was of legal age. that being the case, he may not have known he was buying booze for an underage drinker.. just sayin
In the case that the bar is like many clubs, admittance is 18 and in order to drink you have to be 21...it is Ben's responsibility to know the age of the person he is buying drinks for. Normally in such clubs those under 21 have an X put on the back of the one or both hands. That allows the bartender to know who to serve and who to deny. Now if someone over the age of 21 purchases the drink and gives it to the person under 21 the fault is on the buyer and not the bartender.
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Wait, she was in the bar right.. I'd assume that anyone in the bar had thier ID checked and was of legal age. that being the case, he may not have known he was buying booze for an underage drinker.. just sayin
In the case that the bar is like many clubs, admittance is 18 and in order to drink you have to be 21...it is Ben's responsibility to know the age of the person he is buying drinks for. Normally in such clubs those under 21 have an X put on the back of the one or both hands. That allows the bartender to know who to serve and who to deny. Now if someone over the age of 21 purchases the drink and gives it to the person under 21 the fault is on the buyer and not the bartender.
Fake ID.
I feel bad for this poor girl. I hope Ben rots in hell. There is no doubt in my mind he raped her.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ot-to-like-him/Bradshaw on Roethlisberger: "He doesn't like me, and I'm learning not to like him"  Posted by Mike Florio April 12, 2010 8:11 PM ET Steelers Hall of Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw, who has made a great post-football living as a football analyst and commentator, has offered up some strong analysis and commentary regarding current Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. "Our relationship is not any good," Bradshaw said of Roethlisberger, in video available at ESPN.com. "When I told him to park the motorcycle, he got pissed. Then he had the accident, and since then he doesn't like me, and I'm learning not to like him." Added Bradshaw, "He has got to realize who he is. He is an elite athlete in the National Football League. He's got an image problem right now. Best thing to do is never put yourself in that position again." Bradshaw's comments on his personal feelings regarding Roethlisberger aren't unique. Several folks in the national media have shared with us details of unpleasant interactions with Roethlisberger. We realize that there are two sides to every story, but as we told someone regarding Browns coach Eric Mangini during a challenging 2009 season, his friends are silent and his enemies aren't. UPDATE: The full interview deserves a listen, including the part where Bradshaw acknowledges that the only reason women would flock to him and to Roethlisberger is because of their ability to throw a football. "I'm not that attractive," Bradshaw said, "and neither is Ben." Full Interview . . . http://www.ktbs.com/player/?video_id=26835&zone=2&categories=2
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I wish we had all the facts of this case.
If this is a 21 and up bar, and this girl used a fake ID, you can't blame Ben for giving her alcohol. If this is an 18 and up bar, then I'm sure it's like every other 18 and up bar I've ever been to. Anyone under 21 gets 2 big black X's on both of their hands.
If that was the case, then yeah, it is his fault.
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I wish we had all the facts of this case.
If this is a 21 and up bar, and this girl used a fake ID, you can't blame Ben for giving her alcohol. If this is an 18 and up bar, then I'm sure it's like every other 18 and up bar I've ever been to. Anyone under 21 gets 2 big black X's on both of their hands.
If that was the case, then yeah, it is his fault.
I suppose its possible that a few more facts might sway my opinion on the issue of him buying her drinks... but at the end of the day, he got a young girl rip roaring drunk to the point where she was about to black out, then had her taken into a bathroom while one of his crew guarded the door, and he had his way with her...
If a 20 year old frat boy did that I'd find it repulsive... when a 28 year old pro athlete with a hundred million dollars who can get women legitimately everywhere he goes does it.. it's beyond repulsive and I wish there was a way to make it criminal.
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So with the possibility of a Georgia prosecution official gone and only a civil lawsuit in Nevada remaining, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger can exhale and focus only on playing football and not barhopping, right?
Maybe not.
Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI's Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.
Said Manion: "[T]here is a history here this is just super troubling."
Manion specifically referred to an incident from 2009, also in Nevada. "Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," Manion said.
Manion believes that, if Roethlisberger ever is going to change his ways, the near miss in Georgia will be the impetus.
"Unless he's totally brain dead -- and we don't know -- he would be scared," Manion said. "Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There's a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there's only so far that he said/she said will get you. There's only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there's only so far that, 'Gee, we're celebrities, we have a target on our back,' will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously . . . . It's the scene that he's gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good. But it's hurting him. He's hurt. He has been damaged. And the next one, the wrath of God's going to come down on him, if there is a next one."
It's compelling stuff, and we agree with Manion's take. That said, the guy has a set of large brass ones to talk about allegations that never were pursued in criminal or civil court. A certain degree of immunity applies to statement made in conjunction with official legal proceedings. Manion has placed himself at risk for a defamation claim, especially by suggesting that there are incidents beyond the Vegas case that he personally handled.
Then again, the primary injury in a defamation case occurs to the reputation of the plaintiff. Like Pacman Jones threatening to sue ESPN in early 2009 after the network released more information about an alleged Atlanta strip club shooting from 2007, Jones would be able to prove no damage to the manner in which any potential untruths harmed his reputation because his reputation already was horrendous.
Ben faces the same challenge. Suing Manion or anyone else who claims that he has a more extensive history of Milledgeville-style encounters would expose Roethlisberger's entire sexual history and his broader reputation to scrutiny. As Roger Clemens has learned the hard way, nothing good comes from that approach -- especially if hanging in the closet next the devil-face T-shirt is a collection of skeletons.
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I'd also like to mention there is a higher standard for public figures to reach in order to recover for defamation.
One other thing - IIRC, Ben never specifically denied the allegations for the Georgia incident, did he?
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Company Ends Jerky Sponsorship Deal PITTSBURGH -- A Pittsburgh company that markets food products endorsed by local sports stars has ended its beef jerky sponsorship deal with Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. PLB Sports president Ty Ballou says Roethlisberger is "falling short" of the company's standards after a Georgia prosecutor announced Monday he will not prosecute the quarterback over sexual assault allegations. The company said in a statement on Tuesday that facts presented at the prosecutor's news conference led to the decision. The company sold "Big Ben's Beef Jerky" in bags depicting the quarterback at Pittsburgh area Giant Eagle supermarkets and GetGo convenience stores. The same company markets a breakfast cereal endorsed by Steelers receiver Hines Ward and Penguins forward Max Talbot. Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press Link Ben's having no luck with his meat lately
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From everything i have ever heard and read about Roethlisberger, he is one of those guys who truly and absolutely believes that he is invincible .... and that every man wants to be him, and every wonan wants to be with him. He is an arrogant punk. Pat Mac had an interesting take on Roethlisberger .. .... http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/13/time-for-steelers-to-clock-big-ben/Time for Steelers to Clock Big Ben It's time for the Steelers to cut Ben Roethlisberger. Just let him go. Stand strong and state that he no longer deserves to wear Pittsburgh's uniform. Base the stance not on legalities, but on standards and values. Base the decision on Roethlisberger's actions -- and his attitude toward his actions. A suspension is warranted, but it's not enough. Roethlisberger has earned his release. It's admittedly tough to say what was expected of Roethlisberger in his first public statements concerning that much-publicized March night in Milledgeville, Ga. But the last thing expected was to hear him speak with defiance and without a hint of remorse. The way Roethlisberger approached things Monday night, you'd have thought he had been overcharged on his credit card or something. Compare his defiance to these written words from the victim, as relayed by District Attorney Fred Bright: "I told him it wasn't OK. No. We don't need to do this. And I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom and shut the door behind him. I still said no. This is not OK. And he then had sex with me. He said it was OK." That a crime could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt does not erase these written words from a 20-year-old, written, Bright said, 12 or 13 hours after the incident when she was "sober ... and coherent." The self-professed "role model" was out buying shots for a group of college sorority girls (legal drinking age in Georgia: 21), and he was investigated for rape after winding up in a tiny bathroom with a 20-year-old coed. It's the caricature of the buffoon jock come to life -- except it comes at the expense of a college sophomore. What did Roethlisberger show as he read a 74-second statement to the TV cameras? Defiance. Anger. Resolve. He talked about the absurdity of putting what happened "behind" him and expressed not one shred of regret. It was all about Ben. To be fair, nobody knows what happened in that bathroom in that bar that night. Nobody was there but Roethlisberger and his accuser. What is known is that Roethlisberger is a strong 28-year-old who routinely shrugs off tacklers. His accuser is a 20-year-old coed with her life ahead of her. Share26 Roethlisberger has the power of the purse on his side, and the power of the legal culture, which makes things extremely difficult for sexual assault victims. People say a sexual assault victim is assaulted twice -- once when it happens, the second time in court. (Early in the investigation, Roethlisberger hired a high-powered attorney for a case that -- according to him -- should never have gone to court.) In a letter to the prosecutor, this girl's attorney asked that the prosecution not go forward because she did not want to go through the torment of the trial. Whether her assault claim is right or wrong, her stance on the trial is reasonable. Roethlisberger may not be guilty of sexual assault, but the story is at best disturbing. He spent the night partying with coeds in Milledgeville, met the victim at one bar and brought her and her friends to another one while they and he spent time in the VIP room. A bodyguard of the quarterback's led the woman -- who according to Bright was drunk -- down a hallway, and she and Roethlisberger went into a small bathroom while the bodyguard stood watch. The woman claimed assault. Roethlisberger denied it. Bright could not say, but he said enough when he said he did not try morals but crimes and that Roethlisberger should "grow up." No matter what happened, this girl must live with what happened. Her damage could be long-lasting; Roethlisberger was "happy" to put it behind him. Roethlisberger used 17 first-person references in his statement. Never once did he mention the girl, not even to say he regretted what she had been through. Yes, a civil case awaits, but is it so hard to say: "I believe I committed no crime and did no wrong, but I am sorry for any pain this woman has endured." Will that result in lawsuits tripling? Roethlisberger said the prosecutor came to the "right conclusion," yet the QB will discuss "no details." If he did nothing wrong, what's to be afraid of? He's sorry for the "negative attention," not for the night of carousing and not for winding up in a bathroom with a 20-year-old, the daughter of a mom and dad in Georgia. He talked about much being expected of him as quarterback of the Steelers, but said nothing about being a man. About doing the right things. About being responsible. About not luring a 20-year-old into a closet-like bathroom where God knows what happened. He said he wants to be a leader and a role model for kids, and he has to work to earn trust and show his true values. That's what he said. But we are what we do, not what we say. Our actions define us. Roethlisberger's have spoken loudly in this case. If any contrition or remorse exists, Roethlisberger did not show it. Yes, Ben could have come out and put on an act of false contrition and moved on, but people see through a put-on -- just like they can how Roethlisberger acted so put on at this 74-second statement. Put on, as in he was the victim. Imagine Dan Rooney, the respected leader of the Rooney family and now the U.S. Ambassador to Ireland, watching. This is the guy he's entrusted to be the face of his franchise? At the NFL Meetings in Orlando, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin spoke of the Roethlisberger situation and how the Steelers are viewed in Pittsburgh. This is a team that is part of the fabric of the community, part of a city's identity. It is not a team that accepts what Roethlisberger did and shrugs it off with the same defiance he showed. "Our standards of conduct, I think, are above and beyond that of our peers," Tomlin said. "We embrace that." If that is true -- and there's no reason to think it's not -- then the Steelers need to truly embrace those standards and do something with Roethlisberger. And it's not enough to suspend him. The Steelers have waited for this investigation to end, and team president Art Rooney II said the team would wait to act on Roethlisberger until after the commissioner talks to him. Roethlisberger has shown by his actions and his attitude toward his actions that he is not worthy of representing a family as fine as the Rooneys. He is not worthy of sharing the same uniform as Hall of Famers Terry Bradshaw and Joe Greene. The case can be made that Roethlisberger was not even accused, much less convicted. But playing for the Steelers is not determined by a court, or a prosecutor. It's determined by a long-respected family that cherishes values and holds actions to a standard of accountability and responsibility. If the Steelers embrace higher standards than their peers, they should act on what happened and release Roethlisberger. Another team might pick him up, and he might play well for that team. So be it. The Rooneys would have done something with a higher purpose -- and they'll be able to look their fans in the eye knowing they stood for the right things.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I would not be shocked if Ben contiunes this crazy behavior. In fact, I would be surprised if he changes for the better. This guy seems to be a predator of women, who happens to play football for the steelers.
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Well from this point forward any woman who readily accepts an invitation to party with Ben Roethlisberger has to know what she may be getting herself into. Its akin to a lion trainer sticking his head into a lion's mouth if you ask me.
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i don't know that he's a predator ... maybe ass might be a better word. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13203...g=headlines;nflYou would think a near-death experience would change a man, make him appreciate people more. Be nicer. Be wiser. Be considerate of others. It sure didn't do that to Ben Roethlisberger. If anything, his motorcycle crash of four years ago has made him even more invincible, which is a mortal sin of the modern athlete. They think nothing can take them down. They forget the one thing that can and usually does cut their legs out as they fail in the game of life. Themselves. Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback, is getting off free on his latest misstep in Georgia, no charges being filed for an alleged sexual charge. The district attorney announced Monday the alleged victim didn't want to press charges. Roethlisberger's biggest problem is what stares back at him in the mirror every day, an own-the-world athlete who isn't at all humbled by his near-death experience. He came into the league an arrogant rookie who didn't exactly endear himself to his teammates. Then he won two Super Bowls, which had some of his teammates wondering how he fits his helmet on his head. Anybody have a size 11 for bowling-ball head? For a brief time after the motorcycle crash, some say Roethlisberger actually seemed humbled. Reflection can do that to a man. Then he won his second Super Bowl. Big Ben went to his head. Team insiders say he became surly again. There are reports of him treating people rudely in public. He wasn't warm and fuzzy with his teammates, even if he did take his linemen to some wrestling night out, making it look like he cared. True story: In 2008, while the Steelers were en route to another Super Bowl, I actually had some Steelers players saying the team would have been better off with Roethlisberger on the bench. That's 100 percent true. When the Steelers won the Super Bowl, thanks to a memorable late-game drive and touchdown pass in the final seconds, Roethlisberger had two rings, enough bling to earn him a pass. How do you tone down a player with that success? Last summer, a woman in Nevada accused him of a sexual assault, but no charge was filed. She did file a civil suit. The latest incident happened at a college bar with a coed who was too young to drink legally. Roethlisberger followed her into a bathroom in that bar, guessing by most college bars it had to be a pretty nasty little place. What happened in there is unknown, and might never be known. But why go? Isn't that below him? Or is it? You would think a Super Bowl quarterback might date a supermodel and actually have some fun in his own home, not some stinky bathroom in some college bar. But you hear stories about how athletes love the quick sex fix, often ducking into cars or bar bathrooms. This is not surprising. I want to caution that we all have to be careful here. By the book of the law, Roethlisberger isn't guilty of any crime. By the rules of life, he is definitely guilty of stupidity. If the woman pressed on, it might have become the night the lights went out on his career in Georgia. His whole act is arrogance, the I-can't-be-taken-down arrogance. I'm Ben Roethlisberger. I can do anything. That act is tiring. The Steelers and the NFL need to tighten the leash because obviously this dog needs one. Without it, he can't seem to control himself. He puts himself in really dumb situations. The Steelers sent receiver Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets for a fifth-round pick Sunday night. Word was they would have let him go if they didn't trade him. And he was a 1,200-yard receiver in 2009, the Super Bowl hero the year before, in the prime of his career. The Steelers tired of his act. Anybody can go, right? It's tougher to grow weary of a quarterback's act since he is the cornerstone of the franchise. You don't let guys like Roethlisberger just walk away. But if he doesn't change, the Rooney Family, which owns the team, might have no choice. Then again, if he doesn't change, he might be playing for that same team that Mike Vick once starred on, the prison-yard bunch of has-beens and wannabes. There are plenty of nasty bathrooms for you in there, but no coeds, Ben. Think about that. You are not invincible, even if you think you are.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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The victims account of that evening I find truly sickening. What a scumbag.
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YTown - a near death experience makes you re-evaluate how you live your life. As you do 2 options come up that are essentially mutually exclusive.
Option 1 - Life is short. I am going to live my life as well as I can and take time to appreciate life and all it has to offer. I'll spend a that extra 50 cents on the Gouldens mustard because it tastes a little better than the less expensive supermarket brand. I am going to work a little less and spend more time with my Mom and the other people in my life that I love.
Options 2 - Life is short. I am going to live my life for me and nobody else. If I want something I am going to go get it. Screw what it does to anybody else.
These are short synopsis and of course there are varying degrees of each but it is clear which attitude little ben is taking.
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
Also no
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j/c:
Dear Ben Roethlisberger:
We all know of you because you've made youself a true sports celebrity. You're one of those rare individuals in life who was truly blessed: You found a talent at an early age, were trained by good people throughout your development, and as a result, you've managed to acheive an athlete's version of the Ultimate American Dream. How many others regardless of profession, can say the same for themselves? Yes... you truly have lived a special kind of life.
Now blessed with riches, success, and all the attendant perks that come from "livin' the dream," you've finally reached that point in life where you must ask the most pivotal question of your existence: "what do I want my life to stand for?"... whether you realize it or not.
I'm sure many (if not most) of us, at some age or another, have done things that have landed us at a moral or existential crossroads. For some, it may have been a near-death experience. For others, it may have been a run-in with the law. For others, a crisis of faith/conviction after a severe setback or loss. For many of us, this crossroads appears sometime in our 20's... because that age represents the first full decade of our lives as fully responsible adults. It's the age in which we learn what the stakes really are in life. Mistakes will be made. And Real Life don't play around. Ben Roethlisberger... despite the special circumstances regarding your life's details, you're right on schedule, young man.
Most of the 'good people' I know have at least one checkered period in their past that they don't really like to talk about. When they've finally opened up to me, I've learned that they became good people because of how they chose when confronted with that "defining moment."
If you have even 4 brain cells to rub together, you will realize that your "come to Jesus moment" is happening right now... and you'll make the appropriate adjustments to your character. If you remain true to type, I think we can expect to see more (and increasingly tawdry) news of this sort- until the "righteous hand of The Goodell smiteth thee a mighty blow"... or worse. Roger Goodell is one thing. 4 cops and a dingy holding cell is quite another... and dude, you're already skating on thin ice, as far as the law is concerned.
To be honest, I really can't predict which path you will choose. I know what I hope you choose... but at the same time, I'm no naive fool.....
...because you see- I've watched you already squander two other "come to Jesus moments" in just the last 3 years.
3rd time's a charm?
or
3 strikes- yer out?
hmmmmm....
Nobody is born with character. It can be taught, mentored, and demonstrated by others... but the development of character is always- always a matter of personal choice.
What do you want your real life to stand for, Mr. Roethlisberger?
sincerely,
Clemdawg
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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I hope he learns his lesson and does not put himself in these same situations again. I do feel Goodell will give him a suspension even if it is a game or two.
What kind of lesson does getting away with something teach you? He's simply learned that there are no consequences to his actions.
No charges doesn't mean nothing happened... it merely means, at the least, that there isn't enough there to make a conviction stick. If it was an isolated incident, I'd be able to buy that nothing happened, but there is an established pattern of behavior - I can all but guarantee that something happened... there just either isn't enough proof to make a conviction stick, or someone has been paid off (don't forget the Rooney's are quite invested in Ben not going to jail, and Rooney is a VERY well connected person in the political world as evidenced by him now being the Ambassador to Ireland).
I agree 100% PPL. Even though there is no conviction doesnt neam nothing happened. Does anybody REALLY believe OJ didnt do it?
Its a sad fact of reality but sometimes courts would rather not deal with a headache case even if there is over a 95% possibility of being convicted. They will use a 5% chance of no prosecution as saying there is reasonable doubt. If I was in the same scenrio as Ben, I would have been arrested based on her word vs my word and had to prove my innocence after I paid my bond to get out of jail and got a lawyer. I wouldnt have been allowed to leave the state either.
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Suspension, Fine? Roethlisberger Couldn't Care Less Terence Moore National Columnist A suspension for Ben Roethlisberger, either by the NFL or by his Pittsburgh Steelers, will happen, because it has to happen. But it won't matter. It never does. In fact, the next knucklehead in sports will surface by the end of the month, or probably by the end of the week, and likely sooner than that. Roethlisberger is just a symptom of a historical problem. Suspensions. Fines. Tongue lashings. Water boarding. Try as you might, you can't scare more than a few athletes into doing the right thing -- especially those with real or perceived clout -- because they think they already know it all. They think they know that what happened to those other knuckleheads can't possibly happen to them. They think that, even if they are caught, they won't have anywhere near the same punishment as those other knuckleheads. Mostly, they think that they won't get caught. Just in the NFL in recent years, you've had everything from Pacman Jones and his 10 (ahem) interviews by the police within months, to the late Chris Henry's four arrests, to a drunk Donte Stallworth killing a guy with his Bentley, to Michael Vick and his dogs, to Plaxico Burress and his gun. Elsewhere in sports, you've had Gilbert Arenas and his guns, along with Tiger Woods and his women, and you can keep going for eternity. Woods had it right, when he described the reason for his reckless extra-marital transactions as having "a sense of entitlement." He was speaking for Eldrick Tont Woods and for all of those other knuckleheads -- past, present and future. The solution? There isn't one. Never has been, and never will be. Roethlisberger is the epitome of arrogance wrapped in stupidity, with no end in sight. In the NFL, for instance, you'll always have clueless teams such as the New York Jets, who have added Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards and Antonio Cromartie in the past year, taking Al Davis' "Just win, baby" to the extreme. So what if you are a knucklehead for this team? If you wait a while, you can become somebody else's knucklehead with a raise. You also have Nike, which rarely has met a high-profile athlete that it wanted to drop. For instance: While the endorsement world kept collapsing around Woods -- from AT&T to Gatorade to Accenture -- the swoosh people remained. Then, after PLB Sports, which makes something called Big Ben's Beef Jerky, announced this week that it had terminated its contract with Roethlisberger, the swoosh people quickly said that Roethlisberger will remain one of their knuckleheads. Surprise, surprise. And this part's not a surprise, either: Roethlisberger is the epitome of arrogance wrapped in stupidity, with no end in sight. For one, he is at least a three-time loser regarding his decision-making away from the huddle. There was his nearly fatal motorcycle accident four years ago when he was told by his coach to stay off the thing, and now you've had two sexual assault charges against him within the last several months. As for the latest charge, a district attorney in Milledgeville, Ga., decided not to prosecute the case. Even so, he gave enough details about what he said happened in a nightclub restroom -- featuring the 6-foot-5 and 241-pound Roethlisberger and a "highly intoxicated" 20-year-old woman who was much smaller than the quarterback -- to make you wonder if Roethlisberger has a vacancy between his ears. It gets worse. When Roethlisberger walked into his news conference on Monday after he got his considerable break from that prosecutor, he resembled a burned-out love child from the 1960s -- crazy hair, unshaven face, spacey look. Or I should say an uncaring look. The look of entitlement. Within keeping Roethlisberger's shaky reputation with the media, he spent 73 seconds reading from a prepared text, and then he vanished. During the regular season, when all NFL quarterbacks are required to make themselves available for interviews at least once a week, Roethlisberger stays away from the Steelers' locker room like clockwork on his scheduled day of Wednesday until 11:42 a.m. The locker room closes to the media at 11:45 a.m. The point is, Roethlisberger hasn't created much goodwill through the years, even among his teammates. Wide receiver Hines Ward has ripped him a couple of times -- once, when Roethlisberger said he needed taller receivers despite winning two Super Bowls with the ones he had, and once, for not playing with a head injury that Ward thought wasn't as bad as Roethlisberger said it was. He doesn't get it. He never did. And, yes, Roethlisberger cleaned himself up -- after a mighty shove from somebody -- for Tuesday's meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, but Roethlisberger's message already had been sent the day before by his silly ways in that news conference. Fine. Suspension. Whatever, dude. That's the mantra for all of these knuckleheads. http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/14/suspe...nt-care-less%2F
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