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Well, I just know that Mangini, Holmgren and Heckert are all idiots and should all be fired for not trading a 5th round pick for Holmes. (Figured I'd beat Django to the punch.  )
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What do I have anything to do with this? 
Good trade for the Jets (well, depends on how much time he misses for the drugs and abuse aligations). The Steelers will be fine. They have plenty of draft picks 9 days from now.
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j/c,..don't know exactly to whom or for what reason, but this is a "clear" Steeler FO message.
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I think that if the steelers really wanted to send a "clear" message then they would have traded him to Buffalo or St Louis. A crappy team with no oline and no decent QB. I left out Oakland and TB because at least they have nice weather but those would have been other options too. What kind of message are they sending? Hey you screw up and we are going to send you to one of the top 5 teams in the league. Oooh I'm scared. I move to a better team in a better city and still get the same pay? What's the catch?
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You are assuming other teams offered as much or anything for Holmes.. The Jets may well have been the only team that put forth any offer at all...
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I like the Cowboys comparison.
The Jets have the most talented combination of running backs, wide receivers and offensive linemen in the NFL. If Sanchez plays well, and they have good chemistry, their offense should be virtually unstoppable.
And we already know how good their defense was last year. They can be very good this year.
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Trade makes no sense at all... a late 5th, lol
He must have POed someone within the org, otherwise this makes really no sense
Does anything make sense to U? 
When I heard it ,I understood it instantly.
Stoolers wanted HIM GONE...they can't keep having players tarnish their organization.
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Hence, a clear message, in my opinion.
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The browns aren't even involved with trade and you find a way to slam them 
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That woudn't suprise me either,, but how big a message it sends depends on what round.. they pick a QB in the first of second,, Ben better watch his back,,,
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Always possible, I think more than likely the steelers took the 1st offer made. I have no doubts Some sucky team would have given up a 5th or early 6th for Holmes - Oak?, Buff? Tb? Jax? KC? Stl? Sea? All crummy teams with big need at Wr (except maybe Oak whose wr's I actually kinda like if Scheilins health is up to par).
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POSTED BY: BARRY MCBRIDE ON APRIL 12, 2010 AT 10:37:00 AM EDT Steelers Have a Situation On Their Hands As has been reported everywhere this morning, the Steelers have dumped Santonio Holmes on the Jets for a fifth-round pick and a delicious toasted "Everything" bagel from Dunkin' Donuts. The Steelers were reportedly set to simply dump Holmes without compensation until the Jets stood up to take in another problematic wide receiver. While the acquisition of Holmes will make the Jets even more fun to watch on the field - and even more cringe-inducing off of it - it shows exactly how far the Steelers are willing to go in order to maintain their organization's appearance of integrity. But now they have a problem. What to do about Ben? The Steelers' franchise QB has now been accused of sexual assault for the second time in eight months, and would be considered an embarrassment to the Raiders, much less the Steelers. Unless Roethlisberger is dealt with in a severe manner, the Steelers open themselves up to suggestions that they have a double standard when it comes to their quarterback. After all, they just dumped their 2007 Super Bowl MVP (although officials in that game may have been more deserving) without a second thought due to a substance infraction and a chucked-glass-he-didn't-even-throw-honest. And carting the team and league into the mud thanks to a couple of sexual assault allegations? What's that worth? A one-game suspension? Two? Seems to me that the Steelers open themselves to all kinds of questions unless they come down on Roethlisberger... hard. http://cle.scout.com/2/961603.html
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I see some flaws in that article... Quote:
After all, they just dumped their 2007 Super Bowl MVP (although officials in that game may have been more deserving)
Hines Ward was the MVP of the Super Bowl when the refs cost the Seahawks the game. And that was in 2006. Holmes won the Super Bowl MVP in 2009.
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due to a substance infraction and a chucked-glass-he-didn't-even-throw-honest.
Holmes is being suspended 4 games for testing positive (again) for some substance. One more positive test and he is suspended a full season.
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Finding another WR = easy
Finding another QB = VERY hard
You keep Ben*.
*Being accused if sexual assault is different than being found guilty twice of sexual assault. Ya, it doesn't look good...but it doesn't mean much. I'm not defending Ben, he's probably a total douchebag but if they don't file charges against him soon, he's in the clear and fine to keep.
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Question: Why, if Holmes was going to be dumped for nothing, did the Jets give up a 5th round pick?
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j/c
jets get more talent but it'll be interesting to see their locker room if they keep moving in this direction. with acquisitions like cromartie, edwards, and now holmes, the message they send is "we dont' care about your character or your off field issues, just play." we all know how that turns out for teams.
while i'm relieved we don't have to deal with holmes, i also am not quick for a sigh of relieve. the steelers know what they're doing. to get rid of holmes so quickly means they have other plans and i'm betting a lot of that revolves around mike wallace.
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Maybe they liked his current contract, didn't want to get into a bidding war, show SH they wanted him more than anyone else, felt they'd just waste that 5th round pick anyway, or are just stupid.
I think a little of the first three.
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Because if he's a free agent he can sign with anyone. If the Jets trade for him he is there's for sure. And he has only one year left on his current contract, while if he was signed as a free agent he would have probably gotten a multiyear deal.
I don't care why the Jets traded for him. We don't play them twice a year (we do play them this year). Our biggest rival just got rid of its best WR. That's fine with me.
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Sorry ammo you have the gun pointed the wrong way. This was a GREAT move for the Jets and the Steelers just lost their deep threat. Wow, this is a BIG loss in Steeler town. Now defenses can clamp down on the run game and Ben gets even more heat as teams no longer have to fear the long ball.
AS big as the Ravens getting their top WR this is the Steelers taking a BIG STEP backward. 
I might it it destroys any leverage Braylon Edwards had to extract a BIG CONTRACT from the Jets. Now looks like the 3rd rounder we got was for a two year BE RENTAL as santonio is the FAR more reliable WR.
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So you dont think this makes the Jets better and the Steelers worse?
Also, the Steelers dont have as many holes to fill as the Browns but they dont have as many draft picks either. Instead of shoring up their DB positions and o-line, now they have to find an impact WR. A position that is one of the hardest to make an impact from college to the pros. What was once a strength for the Steelers is now a rebuilding process. Hines Ward is a great WR, HOF in my opinion. Not just based on stats but because he is one of the better blocking WRs I have ever seen and a master instigator/manipulator. They even made a rule for Hine and his blocking style. Even in a NFL that is trying to make the game too safe, I think they should have made that rule alot sooner. It took a broken jaw by Keith Rivers to get them to look into it. Before, they basicly protected the offensive players leaving the defenders proned to helmet to helmet contact. But Hines Ward is getting old in age. Still tough as nails but he is getting slowers an he cant take a licking and keeing on ticking like he use to.
The Steelers are a very respected organization. I have always respected the way the Ronneys run their team. They are owners that not only know the business aspect of the NFL inside and out but they know the game itself inside and out. This move had to be done. They have been a little hypocritical as of late with how long they have even kept Holmes. After Holmes was drafted he got into trouble, I think for hitting his prgenant girlfriend. Before Holmes was signed they made public that they might not even sign Holmes because of his troubles. I never had any doubt they would sign him and they were most likely saying that as a bargaining ploy. Then Cedrick Wilson gets arrested for a very public incident hitting his girlfriend. The Steelers said they have a no tolerance policy towards their employees doing things like this. But on the flip side, they kept a younger Holmes with a lot of more potential. He also got into trouble with marijuana after the incident. Wilson was a stop-gap until Holmes played his way into the starting lineup. Wilson didnt produce much at all before he got cut. Holmes on the other hand was a key player on the offense. He became Bens go to deep man/ playmaker that can get past the defenders while Ben buys more time with his feet. Plays that they pull out of their arses when a play breaks down. Those are the gamechangers. When the right play is called and defense does everything right but they cant take down Ben, who is able to break a tackle from a 300 pounder then throw the ball 50 yards on the run and off his back foot. Ben loves having WRs that are able to get behind the defense, especially when a play breaks down. He has been doing this since his days at Miami. He lobbied the team to keep Plexico, now they have to find a replacement for Holmes.
The Steelers are usually a team that only has one or two holes to fill in the first couple of rounds. Like when they drafted Ben, Polamalu, Holmes, Miller, etc.. Then they have the luxary of taking players as early as the 2nd round (Timmons, Woodley) that can sit for a year and learn from the vets who usually are at the end of their peak and are in a contract year. They have always gotten extra draft picks by letting high profile defenders walk but have always had younger players in the waiting, who never had to feel the pressure of stepping in and having to contribute too early. Their young players are surrounded by field generals.
Im glad the Browns pick before the Steelers this year because outside of the Browns needing a QB of the future, both teams need to draft backup o-lineman, DBs, WR help, and they both need younger 3-4 DEs. The Steelers no longer have the luxary of selecting colegiate players to sit and learn for a year of two. I think a top guard or center will fall on their laps in the first round, and they take a DB in the 2nd. Most likely the BPA in the 1st will be a DB but this is a deep draft at the DB positions so they need to take a reach, albiet a small one, and go o-line. Now that they have a hole to fill at WR they might go WR in the first 2 rounds letting a o-lineman or DB and then taking a lessor player at those positions in the later rounds. Since Cowher has been gone they havnt had great drafts and they havnt been looking far into the future filling future FAs that leave. They are getting away from their gameplan. With Cowher they could let the Porters, Kevin Greens, Lloyds, and Woodsons walk. This past year, they re-signed most of their aging FA vets and they werent even a playoff team. I think on paper, Baltimore and Cincy have seperated themselves from Pittsburgh. Cleveland closed the gap on paper but Im too unsure of the QB position. As proved last year, you dont need great (even good) QB play to beat them if the running game is ran right.
Not saying this moved killed P-burgh because Holmes isnt a player this year that will be the differance of them winning a SB or not. Especially with him having a 4 game suspension. They just aint that team any more from top to bottom. Even with Homes off the field issues before, he was that player. Now defenses can pay more attention to Miller and Ward, and neither one of them are game changers. They also have an OC who has gotten awy from the running game and lets Ben get away with passing the ball whenever he wants to. Ben has some great talent and can pull plays out of his butt when it breaks down but he is an arrogant hard headed idiot that doesnt exactly know how and when to call plays for succesful drives. Hes too high on himself and thinks he can carry his team on his shoulders that he dont think he needs a running game to win. One of the reasons the Steelers got rid of Plexico is because they found out that Pelx and Ben were in their hotel rooms making their own twitches to the plays. One of the other players found out (Im guessing Ward) and told on them.
So I am happy about this move and wow do the Jets look like a strong team now. I dont see this move as the moves the Redskins were making pre Shanahan. The Redskins were paying everyone and anyone like they were the New York Yankees. I see alot more startegy in the Jets moves and if they Jets take a top WR in the first 2 rounds, they are going to be dangerouse. They already have a team that can win with just defense and they have added another CB to play opposite of one of the best 2 CBs in the game. They added a seasoned vet in Tomlinson, although I see that as a more lateral move by letting Thomas Jones go. And now Edwards will get to play opposite of the best WR he has ever gotten to play with. We saw what Edwards can do when he had a healthy Winslow. But the wheels can fall off. Tomlinson isnt the all-time great he use to be. They will only have Holmes for a miximum of 12 games and an injury to Holmes or Edwards takes away from them having a huge 1-2 punch. Edwards has a history of injuries himself. But they still do have their #2 WR from last year.
Im suprised the Steelers couldnt get a better pick then the Jets 5th rounder. I wonder if they were talking to other teams. I would think that Belicheck would have given a 4th for Homes because he has a history of taking troubles players on the cheap and keeping them in line. Plus Wes Welker might be out for all of next year. Im almost sure that Belicheck would rather give up a 4th and keep him out of NY. I know that Steeler fans hold a grudge against the patriots the way I still hold a grudge against Denver. Maybe the Steelers would rather take a 5th and keep him out of New england. If I were Pittsburgh, I would have least made it look like I was talking to the Patriots so amybe the Jets would bid for Holmes' services and come off of a higher pick.
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So they were guaranteed to get him, and the contract. If he's released, he could easily go to another team, and they would have to pay him more. This guaranteed that he became a Jet, and at a relatively cheap contract.
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Name me one team that wouldn't have the appearence of a Double standard when it's between a headache WR (and yes,, key to a SB Win) and a TWO time superbowl winning QB?
You damn skippy there is a double standard....
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Hines Ward was the MVP of the Super Bowl when the refs cost the Seahawks the game. And that was in 2006. Holmes won the Super Bowl MVP in 2009.
I took it to mean that he didn't think holmes was able to actually get both feet in on that game winning catch. Just my interpretation of the author's sentiment.
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Now that is a post! a little long for my attention span but good stuff nonetheless.
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lol I was wondering how long it would take for that to degenerate into a performance issue
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Always possible, I think more than likely the steelers took the 1st offer made. I have no doubts Some sucky team would have given up a 5th or early 6th for Holmes - Oak?, Buff? Tb? Jax? KC? Stl? Sea? All crummy teams with big need at Wr (except maybe Oak whose wr's I actually kinda like if Scheilins health is up to par).
From other posts I've read across the internet, it sounds like every team was called by the Steelers, and the Jets offered up the best deal. Teams don't want to deal with drama in a NFL that values character. Besides, one more infraction by Santonio for related issues and he will be suspended for a full season. Not worth the trouble if you ask me.
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Name me one team that wouldn't have the appearence of a Double standard when it's between a headache WR (and yes,, key to a SB Win) and a TWO time superbowl winning QB?
You damn skippy there is a double standard....
Thanks for the props Damanshot. As for showing favoritism I guess it was easier to discard the doughnut hole rather than the doughnut A steeler backer friend of mine just said Mike Wallace will start and Santonio was progressively becoming a bigger headache and he was not surprised.
As for Ben, My guess is some back door financial restitution is being bandied about as this young coed was no Vegas bimbo and Benny had "sexual contact". My guess the Georgia DA wants this to go away as the Virginia sheriff who was complainin there was nuthin on Mike Vick. Stay tuned.
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Absolutly NO PROPS intended to you Joe...
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Ahh, I'm sorry guys,, AK Joe ticks me off, he's so in love with Quinn that he is completely blind to any other possibility.. Ya ever notice that he starts 95% of his posts with "I agree" then he goes on to disagree....  and he has a food fetish.......
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