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Your post is akin to saying that people can't be allowed to critique a team that is successful and they are beyond improvement.
Even if they win it all, it's possible Brown is an average coach and Mo is an average PG.
Don't know why that upsets you so much.
People are allowed to critique, and many of us do that just fine. I would even agree that Mo and Brown may very well be average ... and I could spell out why and have legitimate discussion on here.
I can also point out what they do well, and applaud them when they DO have a good game. However, some here just vanish for weeks at a time ... with nothing good to say about the team, only to come back on that rare occasion that we lost and Mo went 2-12. Then we all hear about how they were right and we're terrible and will never get out of the second round, etc ...
It's the NBA ... teams have off nights. Losses are inevitable. But gawd forbid we drop one game in four by 2 points ... because it just proves that we really are a crappy team. 
It's just a very lame defense mechanism ... we lose and they can pat themselves on the back for being "right", and they "win" despite the loss. We win ... and they quietly go about celebrating anyway. I wonder if they all ran down to Vegas and dropped $5000 on the Cavs losing, so they can brag about their winning if we actually do lose.
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We will not win game 4 on Sunday. - Don't bother hoping. Chicago will win by more than 10. We'll come back to Cleveland and win game 5, then Chicago will win game 6, and then Chicago will win the series in 7.
validate Excel's point I would say. 
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Saying lebron won the easten conference crown 2007 just further shows that some don't get it.
Just like the media everyone focuses on the game 5 performance and completly ignores what happened in all the other games, the unreal defense, the fact that we could have won game one if marshall hits that shot, or game two if lbj gets a foul after getting hammered on the way to the rim.
Or the fact that lbj took an off night in fm 6. And great d took over + Gibson going nuts.
Laughable.
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I still think Mo Williams is a horrible PG
Pffttt..
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Taking a lollercoaster comment seriously is the equivalent of taking a " I don't like mike brown until he wins a championship" seriously
Actually, I still won't like Mike Brown if he wins a championship. He's still not a good coach 
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Yea I forgot all those crappy championship winning coaches. Come on, at this point you're either trolling or refuse to be rationale.
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I'm sorry. But with Mo, LeBron, Jamison, Shaq (even at this point in his career) you are expected to win the title.
No more "LA/Boston/whoever just has a better supporting cast" excuses. They don't anymore.
Boston is old. LA is beat down. We are the best TEAM in the NBA. It's not LeBron and some bums anymore.
Winning a title that you are SUPPOSED to win, will not change my opinion on Mike Brown.
There's a reason Mike Brown isn't the one up and coaching on the sidelines. There's a reason when plays are being drawn up in the huddle, it's not Mike Brown doing it.
We have good assistant coaches, and Mike Brown gets the credit for what they do, and it's ridiculous.
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cavs aren't guranteed anything.
orlando is just as good, although, yes we are better equipped to handle them this year versus last year.
there are still matchup problems versus that team, and if shaq doesn't get it together, you're going to be in a bind.
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j/c.....
I didn't get to watch most of the game last night, but I saw the final score and most of the highlights... and THAT is how we should have been playing this whole series. THAT is how the only 60-win team in the league plays.
Maybe they intentionally coasted in the last game knowing we'd likely lose so that we could close out on home court... I dunno, but the way that they played in the previous game was an uninspired crapfest unfit to even be in the playoffs. The way they played last night was a King ruling his court and the best team in the league enforcing its will.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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We have good assistant coaches, and Mike Brown gets the credit for what they do, and it's ridiculous.
The coaches 2 most important jobs are as follows (to me):
1. Instill team fundamental principles that everyone (coaches, players) buy into.
2. Surround himself with great assistants who not only help deliver his message, but help him in his coaching.
People get hung up on how important it is for a HC to be the sole coach. Being smart enough to have good assistants is a good trait, not a bad trait.
And, we don't really know how much is Brown telling his assitants what to do and how much is the assistants themselvse (offensive savior kuester hasn't really lit it up in detroit afterall)
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one thing we do have going for us with orlando is that vince carter is destined to mail it in right?
one thing i do like in the cavs favor is that our road is going to be much tougher to get to the east finals.
we are gonna have an emotional, physical battle with the celtics (6-7 games) while orlando is gonna destroy the hawks or bucks, it doesn't matter, both of those teams aren't ready for the big time, and while the celtics probably aren't title contenders, they still have their pride, and will make the cavs series a good one.
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You're right. It is a good thing to have good assistants. However, this is the playoffs, Mike Brown. This is YOUR team, not your assistants team. I don't want a coach who is basically sitting back and letting others coach HIS team.
Pay attention to Brown on the sidelines. Very rarely is he actually doing ANYTHING.
Sure, he might get up and argue a call every now and then, but for the most part, he sits there, and lets his assistants coach the game for him.
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Pay attention to Brown on the sidelines. Very rarely is he actually doing ANYTHING.
Sure, he might get up and argue a call every now and then, but for the most part, he sits there, and lets his assistants coach the game for him.
Have you ever watched a game Phil Jackson coaches? He's on the bench with his legs crossed 75% of the time.
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I guess I'm gonna have to say it...
Phil Jackson has "coached" championship teams with Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq on them.
Not exactly difficult jobs he's had...
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Mo's a decent pg but nowhere near the pg class that is emerging. the d-will, cp3, rose, rondo, Westbrook,maybe evans...
But, he also gets taken off the ball because of lbj.
Honestly, when Mo is off the ball and LeBron running the point when we go small, we're better. Mo gets the open three looks and knocks them down. I'm not knocking Mo. I like Mo. LBJ is such a threat, Mo can sit back and have target practice. Which leads me to this...
More JJ and less Shaq/Z in this series. The team is just flat out faster and more energetic and that is needed in this series. Chicago has nothing in the post and since Shaq isn't Shaq of 10 years ago, I say who cares? Go smaller/faster against the Bulls. We all see how it works.
Now to semi-counter what I just said  We got a enough bigs to go in there and physically beat up the Bulls early; make some hard fouls and then go small. (If that is Brown's strategy and he didn't happen to just fall into this yesterday, then I give him props).
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I guess I'm gonna have to say it...
Phil Jackson has "coached" championship teams with Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq on them.
Not exactly difficult jobs he's had...
What do you want? Shocking it takes top talent to win! Red had Bill Russell so I guess he's not a good coach either? What about Don Nelson? He the best coach because he has the most wins?
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I'm trying to think of the right way to word this....
In the NBA, your job is to "not lose" games, it's not to win them.
Games we lose are primarily because of Mike Browns substituion patterns, and lack of gameplanning.
I don't konw if I worded that the right way, I know what I'm trying to say, just not quite sure how to say it lol.
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I'm trying to think of the right way to word this....
In the NBA, your job is to "not lose" games, it's not to win them.
Games we lose are primarily because of Mike Browns substituion patterns, and lack of gameplanning.
I don't konw if I worded that the right way, I know what I'm trying to say, just not quite sure how to say it lol.
I understand where you're going.
I'm not basketball junkie, so I'll have to defer to the experts (or people that think they're experts).
I don't care how it happens, I want a title this year. Win every game by 20+, win by 1, win with Lebron scoring 40+, Lebron scoring 20'ish, MB coaching, or MB sleeping...I just want 13 more wins and a parade.
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More JJ and less Shaq/Z in this series. The team is just flat out faster and more energetic and that is needed in this series. Chicago has nothing in the post and since Shaq isn't Shaq of 10 years ago, I say who cares? Go smaller/faster against the Bulls. We all see how it works.
I think the coaching staff KNOWS that. They also know we're way more talented, and getting Shaq some time to get acclimated again isn't going to hurt. This is all about prepping for teams like Orlando/Lakers, where we're going to need Shaq and the chemistry with everybody else. If push came to shove, we'd go small and put up some points against the Bulls. But that's not going to get the team ready for games down the stretch which are going to be tough to win if Shaq isn't ready.
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This is all about prepping for teams like Orlando/Lakers, where we're going to need Shaq and the chemistry with everybody else.
I don't think that I can buy that at all.
If that were the case, and it were so important then there wouldn't have been so much resting going on the last week of the season.
Browns is the Browns
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Not entirely true ... for one, Shaq was still recovering from injury. So it makes sense to hold him out as long as possible. Two, the games were completely meaningless. If you are going to bother playing Shaq, Antwain, and lebron together in a game ... might as well do it while the games actually mean something.
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It's kind of amazing watching Dwight Howard. He has to be one of the dumbest players in the NBA. I mean seriously all he does is use his God given atheletic ability. He would be more dominate than Shaq in his prime if he had a basketball IQ higher than his jersey number.
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It's hilarious when he'll knock a guy over out of midair and then complain after he gets whistled for the foul.
I also can't believe he didn't get whistled for that goaltend. It was clearly on the way back down. But, he's usually good for 3 or 4 goaltends a game which is a direct indication of his low basketball IQ.
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ok, dwight isn't the brightest crayon, that is for sure.
but, the goaltends are a way of intimidation and the fact that they won't all get called. odds are a layup is going in the bucket anyway, so swatting a couple easy ones early to set the tone that nothing will be easy can mess with some players minds (see Georgetown in the Ewing/Mourning days)
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I suppose, but nothing is easier than guaranteed points, which a goaltend gives you. He swats away floaters that are on their way back down, or layups that have clearly already hit the backboard, stupid stuff like that.
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So...
I'm not the Biggest Mike Brown supporter either but did you notice the defensive adjustments in this game from game 3? No open looks for Heinrich and much better at defending the high screen-n-roll on Rose.
MUCH better coaching today. (Of course, the obvious questions is "where was that last game?")
Live and learn.
Mike Brown makes very good adjustments game to game he just struggles mightily making them during the game.
The rest of what I wanted to say was said already by Psydeffect
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Reports are that Rose had an MRI on his ankle. This may hamper his ability on the floor tonight. I'm hoping they take care of business and close at home.
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