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So .... if Clausen is there when we pick in the 2nd .... do we pull the trigger?
That being said, it does appear at least moderately likely that either Clausen or McCoy will be there for our 2nd round pick. Do we go QB?
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I don't know about everyone else here, but if McCoy is there in the seond pull the trigger. I'm saying this because it does seem like Holmgren likes his qualities and what he sees in him. Right now I am definitely taking McCoy over Clausen, no brainer for me.
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QB's are gonna start flying off the board. Several teams need a QB ahead of Cleveland in the 2nd. If they really want Claussen or McCoy, you burn the late 3rd and trade up. No sense in losing your guy over 1 pick..
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So .... if Clausen is there when we pick in the 2nd .... do we pull the trigger?
Not if Taylor Mays is there.
I don't care about instincts or any of that, getting a physical beast like Mays in the second round would be a massive steal.
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So .... if Clausen is there when we pick in the 2nd .... do we pull the trigger?
Not if Taylor Mays is there.
I don't care about instincts or any of that, getting a physical beast like Mays in the second round would be a massive steal.
Wernon Gholston was a physical beast too and look where he is. You take the best football player, not the best physical athlete.
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So .... if Clausen is there when we pick in the 2nd .... do we pull the trigger?
Not if Taylor Mays is there.
I don't care about instincts or any of that, getting a physical beast like Mays in the second round would be a massive steal.
Wernon Gholston was a physical beast too and look where he is. You take the best football player, not the best physical athlete.
And I'm telling you right now that Taylor Mays can come to Cleveland and be a monster against the run as the SS. He isn't that great at coverage but he could be a big time play maker and could, potentially, make this defense really good.
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Say we we swapped 2nd's and gave a late 3 for the rams and took McCoy, does anyone think we would still have the ammo to trade back up into the early 2nd for Mays? A 3rd and dq? A 3 and next years 2nd? Early 3 and a 5?
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I know he's rated higher, but I don't think Holmgren likes Claussen. I could see him going for McCoy, though.
As far as Mays, a good tackler who's not good in coverage makes me think of Roy Williams. Not saying much about Mays here, more about how your description comes off.
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Several teams need a QB ahead of Cleveland in the 2nd. If they really want Claussen or McCoy, you burn the late 3rd and trade up. No sense in losing your guy over 1 pick..
Several??? I'll give you two maybes. St Louis just drafted Bradford, Minnesota I'll give a maybe, Tampa drafted one last year, KC just traded for one last year and gave him a long term deal, and Philly I'll hesitantly give a maybe. The better odds are that Oakland or Buffalo move ahead of Cleveland to take one of the QBs
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I don't know about everyone else here, but if McCoy is there in the seond pull the trigger. I'm saying this because it does seem like Holmgren likes his qualities and what he sees in him. Right now I am definitely taking McCoy over Clausen, no brainer for me.
I dunno, watching just about all of ND's football games this year, I like Clausen a lot. People keep talking about how good McCoy would be as a WCO QB, but Clausen wouldn't be bad either IMO.
He gets a bad rep for some reason, not exactly sure why. People seem to think he's a jerk. Every interview i've heard him do made him seem decent enough. I didn't want the Gruden special, although I hear he botched that one. He got that blackeye because of some jerk fan who insulted him, and then he laughs it off when he's out with his g/f and family, and then he gets sucker punched in the face.
But on the field, my only complaint with Clausen is his deep ball. Short and medium, the guy is absolutely money. I guess he played injured this year too which affected his pocket mobility and might be why he threw the ball too soon sometimes.
But yeah, he's just as accurate as Colt McCoy, if not more. He was very accurate this year and really stepped up. His team's failures have a lot more to do with big fat Charlie Weis, his top receiver getting injured (the other guy, not Golden Tate), and his receiving core dropping the ball. For having receivers who dropped so many passes, his completion rating is very high.
Clausen also led quite a few comeback victories this year (along with Golden Tate).
Yeah, people said he threw his team and coach under the bus, but the truth is, he's kind of right. The defense was awful for ND this year. His receivers dropped a lot of passes. This all falls on Charlie Weis in my book.
But yeah, I prefer Clausen to McCoy.
But the fact is, I want us to go with whoever Mangini/Heckert/Holmgren feel fit best in our plans. If that's McCoy fine. But if it were up to me, I'd find a way to trade up and take Jimmy Clausen. I simply don't trust the Vikings.
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I want to be perfectly honest here:
I do not want either Clausen or McCoy. I don't see it in either of these two and I do not like everything about them. The talent that is currently on the board is too much to pass up to draft a QB.
Combine that with the fact that we'll likely see a top ten pick again next year with a QB rich draft, I have no desire to see any of those suit up in Orange and Brown next year.
Once again, though, JMHO.
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Combine that with the fact that we'll likely see a top ten pick again next year with a QB rich draft, I have no desire to see any of those suit up in Orange and Brown next year.
Once again, though, JMHO.
Top 10 pick again, ouch!
I dunno I'm thinking we're gonna go at least 8-8 next year. I always like to at least be optimistic! I figured we'd be 6-10 under EM's first year. So I'm going 8-8 next year and 10-6 the year after that.
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True true, I will have trust in Holgren/Heckert, because obviously they know more than everyone on the message board. Like you said, if they feel that the guy can be our future starter at QB, whether it's McCoy or Clausen so be it. I will trust in the new front office until I see different. 
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Combine that with the fact that we'll likely see a top ten pick again next year with a QB rich draft, I have no desire to see any of those suit up in Orange and Brown next year.
Once again, though, JMHO.
Top 10 pick again, ouch!
I dunno I'm thinking we're gonna go at least 8-8 next year. I always like to at least be optimistic! I figured we'd be 6-10 under EM's first year. So I'm going 8-8 next year and 10-6 the year after that.
8-8 is the best we can hope for.
Realistically, I see 6-10 unless we pull a real rabbit out of our hat for some WR'ers. Either way, next year you've got Luck, Locker, Ponder, maybe Harris, Mallet...plenty of guys to choose from, all of whom I'd pick over McCoy or Clausen.
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Yes, several. Minnesota, Tampa and Phillly could all take QB's. Will they? I have no idea but all 3 could snag Claussen or McCoy as a value pick ......or easily trade out to another team wanting a signal caller. No reason to sit around at this point. If your guy is there, sacrifice a pick and get him.
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Tampa does not need a QB. I can't even imagine there's any possibility that Tampa would take a QB early in round 2 just 12 months after taking Josh Freeman in round 1. As I said I'll give Minne a maybe and Philly a hesitant maybe - but the odds would be better that Oakland or Buffalo move up to take one.
I'd rather hold off and stay at 38 and take any of Taylor Mays, Nate Allen, Sergio Kindle, Roger Saffold, or Golden Tate than trade up. And we'll be guaranteed that at least one of these guys are available for us at 38 if someone does take a QB ahead of us.
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Don't think I'd trade up for him, but if he falls to us, I think he'd be a terrific value at #38. Perhaps we might actually catch a break and get a good QB.
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I just love that Kiper had Clausen rated higher than Bradford!
Give me Mays on day 2 please.
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I don't know how they could pass on either Clausen or McCoy if they are there. I am not convinced that Delhomme or Wallace is a long term solution.
Then again, I'm not Mike Holmgren.
If they are both gone, go grab Mays and let him bite the ankles off of anyone he can catch.
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I don't know how they could pass on either Clausen or McCoy if they are there. I am not convinced that Delhomme or Wallace is a long term solution.
Then again, I'm not Mike Holmgren.
If they are both gone, go grab Mays and let him bite the ankles off of anyone he can catch.
I could...accept Clausen getting drafted.
If the Browns screw up and take McCoy...i'd be pretty upset.
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Do you really think Tampa will take a QB at the top of round one after taking a first round QB last year? Al Davis is that you?
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Any team that really wants Clausen (and it doesn't look like there are many) will be talking to the Rams all night long trying to get that 1st pick.
I think Colt McCoy is our guy.
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Clausen is BAD, really bad, McCoy may be ok, but he is still a question. They passed on Tebow, and they didn't move up to get Bradford. They BLEW IT ! Again! only in Cleveland Joe Haden, will he be any better than Chris Crocker would be if they had kept him around? the 10,000# elephant is the question, WHERE IS THE OFFENSE GOING TO COME FROM? Another defensive back? They draft 13 defensive backs in 5 years and Mike Adams is the starting safety? ??????> Is this the NFL, is this a National Football league franchise? Is this a minor league baseball team? Ask yourself, Can you find one reason to expect this team finishes ahead of any of ... Bengals Ravens Colts Texans Jaguars Steelers Titans ... Or will they be in 8th place amoung those AGAIN! and again and again and again!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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You'r not near any bridges are you? Step away man, step away. .
I could live with either QB with our pick. I'd rather a lot of players. Unlike throwlong I think we still could use some D help, either end or lb(kindle in a heartbeart), or safety still.
I see what you are saying about needing playmakers, but that is true on both sided of the ball. We'll see what the weekend holds. I think there are some great players out there, and am hopefull the front office agrees with me.
10 wins next year is my guess. We are on a roll. Harrison will get 150 yards a game. (oh yah we need a RT or RG in the second......disregard the above lol. )
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C'mon, man. It's gotta be hard to cry about Haden. Dude is easily the best CB in the draft, which is a value position, in the conversation at BPA, and fills a huge need.
Don't know who you wanted, maybe you should put that in your suicide note next to the booze and porn.
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Are you really saying we blew this draft because we didn't draft Tebow at 7?  
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They BLEW IT ! Again!
 Good grief...
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Put the Bottle down........
WOW,, talk about over reaction.....LOL
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QB's are gonna start flying off the board. Several teams need a QB ahead of Cleveland in the 2nd. If they really want Claussen or McCoy, you burn the late 3rd and trade up. No sense in losing your guy over 1 pick..
Really? Who?
Rams - Just took Bradford
Vikings - Expect Favre to return and they are drafting to win the SB this year, not be good 4 years from now. (and they just gave an extension to T Jackson)
Buccaneers - Took Freeman last year
Chiefs - Gave a big deal to Cassell.
Eagles - Just got rid of McNabb and professed their devotion to Kolb...
Browns - ?
The Vikings are a maybe, the Chiefs are a possibly but probably not... the only way I see either of the 2 big QBs being off the board is if Buffalo trades up.
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if we pass on a QB this year  then eveyone that neeeds a QB will have a QB and we can get a better one next year in a better QB class.
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QB's are gonna start flying off the board. Several teams need a QB ahead of Cleveland in the 2nd. If they really want Claussen or McCoy, you burn the late 3rd and trade up. No sense in losing your guy over 1 pick..
Really? Who?
Rams - Just took Bradford
Vikings - Expect Favre to return and they are drafting to win the SB this year, not be good 4 years from now. (and they just gave an extension to T Jackson)
Buccaneers - Took Freeman last year
Chiefs - Gave a big deal to Cassell.
Eagles - Just got rid of McNabb and professed their devotion to Kolb...
Browns - ?
The Vikings are a maybe, the Chiefs are a possibly but probably not... the only way I see either of the 2 big QBs being off the board is if Buffalo trades up.
The Vikings just gave Tavaris Jackson a deal too. And they have Rosenfels.
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The Vikings just gave Tavaris Jackson a deal too. And they have Rosenfels.
*in best Kevin McCallister voice* Oh no I'm really scared!
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if we pass on a QB this year then eveyone that neeeds a QB will have a QB and we can get a better one next year in a better QB class.
I agree with this logic..
if McCoy does not fall to us.. then draft another position that will put the QB we draft next year in a better position to succeed.
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So .... if Clausen is there when we pick in the 2nd .... do we pull the trigger?
That being said, it does appear at least moderately likely that either Clausen or McCoy will be there for our 2nd round pick. Do we go QB?
Do you see Clausen or McCoy lining up under center having successfully led the Browns through the playoffs, in the Super Bowl?
If not, then the answer is NO!
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I would say take Clausen over McCoy at this point because the financial investment wouldn't be great.
Clausen obviously has the tools to be a starter in the NFL but maybe not the attitude. Taking him in the 1st round and having him bust would be a disaster. Taking him in the 2nd and having him bust is bad, but won't kill your team for the next 5 seasons.
With all that said, I think McCoy is the pick in the 2nd round today.
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the thing is i find it hard to believe some other team might not trade up, possibly ahead of us, to grab one of these guys. between the two of them, i want mccoy over clausen but just because the people ahead of us might not need a qb doesn't mean the people behind us might not leapfrog us.
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I'd rather have Clausen, cuz if all else is more or less equal Clausen has a better arm.
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What caused Clausen to drop?
Was it the fact that a few years ago Notre Dame had another "NFL-ready" quarterback come out, only to have already been moved for a couple of low picks and some deli meat?
Or is it maybe Ben's latest exploits? Ben was said to be a major tool coming out of college, and the same is being said of Clausen.
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