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I kind of thought QB was a bigger need, but okay ...
(I'm more curious as what we gave up to move up to get him)
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I knid of thought QB was a bigger need, but okay ...
It may have been, but McCoy is not a franchise QB.
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We moved up, right? What did we give up?
I know the name but don't pretend to know the player. Hope he's a bruiser, we need one of those.
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Guys in chat say 1 of the 3rds and the 2 x 5ths
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This one i'm disappointed in.
RB was not really a need for me.
I was much more interested in Peyton Hillis and James Davis than I guess our manager was. But as I said, I think Heckert's record is pretty good in the draft. I will keep the faith.
What did we give up, 5th round picks?
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I find it curious that they had no discussion about our pick. Hardesty is a big guy, I like it.
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We moved up, right? What did we give up?
I know the name but don't pretend to know the player. Hope he's a bruiser, we need one of those.
71st pick, and I think a 5th and 6th rounder.
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We gave up 3 picks,,
I like the pick, woulda preferred Golden Tate there but,,
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What it means is we didn't like any of these QBs not named Bradford.
Oh and RB was a big need for us.......no way in hell we were going with Harrison on opening day........too small and hasn't proved jack for a full season. I also like Hardesty.......big bruiser back that Mangini likes. I just don't understand why we gave up so much when either him or someone comparable would have been there at 71.
Like the player, but don't like the move to get up and get him.
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Here's the analysis from NFL.com:
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Hardesty is an accomplished college runner that may struggle to bring the same kind of production to the next level. He is not quite big enough to be a power back and lacks the all out speed and explosion to be a game breaker. He does a good job of running behind his pads and shows balance on contact to break tackles and will fight for yards after the first hit. He shows a decent burst through the hole but lacks a second gear to pull away once he gets to the next level. He is a patient runner that does a good job of following his blockers and seeing things develop.
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Here's the analysis from NFL.com:
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Hardesty is an accomplished college runner that may struggle to bring the same kind of production to the next level. He is not quite big enough to be a power back and lacks the all out speed and explosion to be a game breaker. He does a good job of running behind his pads and shows balance on contact to break tackles and will fight for yards after the first hit. He shows a decent burst through the hole but lacks a second gear to pull away once he gets to the next level. He is a patient runner that does a good job of following his blockers and seeing things develop.
Hardly a glowing endorsement in my opinion.
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I agree 
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Really surprised we traded up for him. I would have thought a trade up would be for OL or DL
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Question ..If we had a QB. whom would he throw to ??
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Inside: Classic one-cut runner who presses the line of scrimmage and attacks the hole when it is there. Runs a bit upright, but lowers his pad level when in traffic and keeps his feet churning to generate as much positive yardage as possible. Good forward lean. Good vision and has the burst to take advantage of cutback lanes.
Outside: Lacks elite straight-line speed, but can beat the linebacker to the edge and turn the corner. Can stick his foot in the ground and accelerate quickly to get past the initial wave of defenders and get into the open field. Not a naturally elusive runner, but has deceptive speed due to his upright running style and good power.
Breaking tackles: Among his best attributes. Good balance to keep his feet and fight through arm tackles. Very good spin move. Keeps his feet churning in traffic and can sneak through the pile and break away to gain yardage in chunks.
Blocking: Willing pass blocker with the size, strength and technique to face up the oncoming defender. Cognizant blocker who keeps his head on a swivel and looks for someone to hit. Inconsistent effectiveness as a cut blocker as he drops his head and lunges. Good effort downfield. Looks to help out his teammates.
Receiving: Good receiver used on a variety of routes in this offense, including the basic screens and dump-offs, but also more complicated wheels and was even split out wide and used on slants. Reliable hands. Shows the ability to extend, make the reception and secure the ball quickly. Good ball security. Didn't fumble the ball once in 285 touches in 2009.
Intangibles: Characterized as the consummate teammate. Twice voted team captain, including in 2008 when he wasn't a starter. Convinced team to let him play special teams against Wyoming despite his injuries being too much to allow him to suit up as a running back. Surprised and disappointed scouts with his decision to pull out late from the Senior Bowl, but impressed them with his sub-4.5 speed and athleticism at the Combine.
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This either will spell the end for Hillis or Davis on this team at least by the end of training camp.
I wonder which guy will make it. I'm guessing Peyton Hillis. I really don't see us keeping 5 RB/FBs on the playing roster. Esp. when Cribbs takes up a spot.
So yeah, I'm thinking Davis is gone and Hillis is our 3 RB/backup FB. James Davis is on the Practice Squad
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I don't think Heckert is in the building. I think he called Mangini and said "hey, you take it today, I'm not feeling too well".
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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James Davis is not going to make it. He's the smaller version of Montario Hardesty.
you had a good run Hank.
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I think it's a good pick and must have been their BPA because I think the bigger need was a WR, and a franchise QB could have (possibly) been had there.
Nice complement with Harrison, though I'd love to see James Davis get to be that guy.
Bye bye Jennings.
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from http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-by-round-input:2"Pick Analysis: The Browns trade up to grab a big, physical runner in Montario Hardesty. He has outstanding speed, and his underrated cutback skills make him a solid fit in the Browns' scheme. With Jerome Harrison lacking the size to be the lone back, Hardesty should receive a high volume of carries as a key reserve."
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So now we haver a nickle corner who'll contribute on special teams (again  ), an injury prone, undersized rather slow FS and tweener RB good for depth....
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I don't think Heckert is in the building. I think he called Mangini and said "hey, you take it today, I'm not feeling too well".
HAHA, this is pretty funny. I think Heckert is doing the drafting. You might be scratching your head, but in the end, the people writing articles don't have jobs as NFL Managers.
Say what you want about whether the scouts are choosing or not, IMO, Heckert knows the guys in the first three rounds very well. That's his job, he's a manager
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/56737304/13/2010 - TOP RATED NFL DRAFT SCOUT RUNNING BACKS: Montario Hardesty, Tennessee, 6-0, 225, 2-3: Multiple knee injuries sidelined Hardesty so often that he had six starts in 36 games heading into last season. But he managed to stay on the field long enough in 2009 to rush for 1,345 yards, 119 short of a school record. Hardesty is a classic cut-and-go runner who accelerates quickly into the second level but lacks true home-run speed. He shows decent ability as a receiver. Scouts were disappointed when he pulled out of the Senior Bowl, but he regained their favor at the combine, where his results included a 41-inch vertical leap and a 4.49-second 40-yard time. NFL teams wondering about his durability must consider that he has had three knee surgeries but also that he carried the ball 560 times, second most in Tennessee history. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com/CBS Sports/USA TODAY what's up with taking players with multiple serious knee injuries?
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So now we haver a nickle corner who'll contribute on special teams (again ), an injury prone, undersized rather slow FS and tweener RB good for depth....
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The Browns have a future shutdown corner, playmaking safety and bulk of the carries running back.
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So now we haver a nickle corner who'll contribute on special teams (again ), an injury prone, undersized rather slow FS and tweener RB good for depth....
A nickel corner! Are you joking? Joe Haden will be starting by the middle of this year.
He will eventually be our number 1 corner. He is going to be on the team for at least 5 years, even if his rookie year is as a nickel because Sheldon Brown/Eric Wright are playing very well.
The draft isn't just for next year, it's for down the road. Sheldon Brown is like 31 or something. We need a number 1 corner, Eric Wright is not a number 1 corner, he's a starter but much better as the second best corner on a team. Joe Haden is a fine pick
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Your post frustrates me so much that I decided to edit mine. Complaining about Joe Haden, who did you want at number 7. Please let me know?
Top corners are picked early. It's not easy to find guys who are good corners, Eric Wright is not a good corner. He's average. Our team was destroyed underneath, when decent offenses wanted to pass on us, they could.
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So now we haver a nickle corner who'll contribute on special teams (again ), an injury prone, undersized rather slow FS and tweener RB good for depth....
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playmaking safety and bulk of the carries running back.
and 2 of 3 careers are littered with severe knee injuries in HS and college...
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and 2 of 3 careers are littered with severe knee injuries in HS and college...
I don't care. I'll be flat out honest with you. Injury history does not ensure future injuries.
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Okay, I've read all the "expert" opinions of him. One says he's slow for a back, another says he outstanding speed, another one says he has good acceleration but no second gear..........it appears to me that even the "experts" don't know squat about this guy.
How do I get their job?
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j/c Montario Hardesty Height: 5-11¾ | Weight: 225 | 40-Time: 4.49 Montario Hardesty | Tennessee Volunteers Official Bio Stars Strengths: Adequate height and bulk --- Quality natural athlete --- Quick --- A patient runner with excellent vision and instincts --- Agile with good balance and nimble feet --- Tough, aggressive and runs hard --- Will break some tackles --- Keeps his legs moving on contact --- Capable blocker --- Soft hands and is a reliable receiver --- Outstanding ball security --- First-rate competitor --- Terrific work ethic --- Still improving. Weaknesses: Just average speed --- Not overly elusive --- Isn't very explosive and lacks a burst --- Not really a breakaway / big play threat --- Will have some trouble getting outside and turning the corner --- Runs too high at times --- Durability is a big concern --- Relatively limited track record. Notes: Just a one-year starter for the Volunteers --- Named 2nd Team All-SEC in 2009 --- Considered to be a Top 100 recruit nationally coming out of high school --- Redshirted in 2005 after tearing the ACL in his right knee --- Missed three contests, including the SEC Championship Game, with an ankle injury in 2007 --- Missed some time in 2008 due to a stress fracture in his lower leg --- Held off highly-touted freshman Bryce Brown and came through with an outstanding final campaign in Knoxville --- Saw his draft stock skyrocket in 2009 after entering the season with a late round / free agent grade --- The type who does everything well but nothing great --- Has the talent to contribute and maybe even compete for a starting job as long as he can stay healthy. http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/Montario-Hardesty.php
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Saints took OT Brown. I was hoping that's who we traded up for. There will be a run of OL and WR in round 3.
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I'm confused.
CBS show us giving up a pair of 5ths for this pick ... with us still having 3-3rds. (which would be an absute steal) You guys are saying a 3rd and a pair of 5ths. Which is it?
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I don't care. I'll be flat out honest with you. Injury history does not ensure future injuries.
But it's a good predictor.
Kinda like saying "player Y runs a 4.2 40, let's get him", only to find out speed without ability is like eggs without a frying pan.
For the most part, a player that is injury prone in h.s. and college....well, he's injury prone. There are a few exceptions, but the majority bear out the rule........constantly hurt in h.s. and college? Won't take long in the nfl.
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According to NFL.com we gave up our 1st pick in the 3rd rnd and 2 5ths for that pick in the 2nd rnd.
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i know nothing about this guy. he looks just ok but for the same benefit of the doubt i'd give ward, i would with hardesty too. that said, if we were looking for a pounder, i would've loved to see gerhart here. oh well.
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I don't care. I'll be flat out honest with you. Injury history does not ensure future injuries.
But it's a good predictor.
Kinda like saying "player Y runs a 4.2 40, let's get him", only to find out speed without ability is like eggs without a frying pan.
For the most part, a player that is injury prone in h.s. and college....well, he's injury prone. There are a few exceptions, but the majority bear out the rule........constantly hurt in h.s. and college? Won't take long in the nfl.
Well I guess I don't really care as long as they are talented. Both Hardesty and Ward have shown that they have a lot of talent to play in the NFL. I've seen a lot of Hardesty and he has a knack of finding yards. He's great in between the tackles and breaking tackles.
I'll be honest on Ward, I did not watch a lot of him but I remember watching the game with tOSU and him doing quite well.
I'm saying, just because a guy has an injury history doesn't always mean he'll have an injury in the NFL. Look at Adrian Peterson, he's been pretty darn durable in the NFL after being injury prone in college.
These guys have talent, the only thing holding them back was injuries.
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So now we haver a nickle corner who'll contribute on special teams (again ), an injury prone, undersized rather slow FS and tweener RB good for depth....
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and 2 of 3 careers are littered with severe knee injuries in HS and college...
I don't care. I'll be flat out honest with you. Injury history does not ensure future injuries.
so 3 major knee injuries in 3 years means nothing? plus he only rushed once over 1,000 yards in his career
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