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Look at his tape! He is even quicker than Lewis. Has more moves than Lewis. If he didn't have an injury history, he would be a 1st round pick.
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Look at his tape! He is even quicker than Lewis. Has more moves than Lewis. If he didn't have an injury history, he would be a 1st round pick.
Yeah, I don't see it.
He reminds me of...I actually cannot think of a good comparison right now...maybe Ronnie Brown w/o the Wildcat? My mind is blank.
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Hardesty has a sick spin move too.
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Hardesty has a sick spin move too.
Meh. He's not going to fake people out. He's going to make one cut and then plow people over. He'll be great with Vickers.
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I am a SEC guy and have watched LOTS of Tenn. games. I wanted Ben Tate (Auburn) or a Dixon (MS.State) first. Hardesty might be the most talented of the 2 but injuries left me feeling he was not worth the gamble. If healthy he could be a real steal! IF....i hate that word.  This is the only pick that i have reservations about. All the others are VERY solid. TJ is the only other and its for the same reason....yet less worries on his injuries.
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u know who still has not been drafted? Jonathan Dwyer. Interesting.
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watched some videos...
I see a runner that runs extremely tall and tries to use his speed or the spin move instead of lowering his shoulders.
he has good balance and leg stregnth. Also, he has a very quick first step. Good explosion thru the hole.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Wow, McCoy in the 2nd half of the 3rd...... great deal right there.
But how could we possibly have been dumb enough to draft a guy in a round he wasn't projected in on ESPN? These guys are so stupid!1!!!!!1@!121 We are going to suck AGAIN#@!!~
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I'm still trying to digest this selection several house after it's made. But I figure we've got to trust Heckert's judgement at this point. We won't know if things are going according to his plan until the draftees and their new teammates put on the pads for real. Everything else is just guesswork.
Some people are ecstatic, some people are depressed and there are a bunch in between. My feeling is that if it turns out to be awful, I will have a long time to feel bad about it so for now.. I'll be happy. 
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I figured it out...
he kind of reminds me of a taller Jamal White
no top end speed bigger back with some hands and moves
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Sadly, I think this spells the end for Vickers as we transition to WCO
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I wish I felt the same way. Unfortuately I think this draft has been mostly a big fat whiff. I take sollace in my amateur status and hope I'm wrong. A bunch of gambles, a bunch of "depth" and concession picks but no day 1 starting studs. And a BUNCH of injury flags.
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it's really funny.. I think if you look at all players drafted over the last 10 or so years, odds are, most players drafted today will turn into journeyman.., not All Pros.. that's just the stats..
So it's almost as if you are hedgeing your bets assuming the obvious will be true.. the odds are in your favor..
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But how could we possibly have been dumb enough to draft a guy in a round he wasn't projected in on ESPN? These guys are so stupid!1!!!!!1@!121 We are going to suck AGAIN#@!!~
Its amazing some of the stuff i have read on here.
To have other people drafted than we wanted and wish we had took is understandable. To absolutely rip the ones we took and label them now...its totally rediculous. 
Did this go even close to what i wanted? Nope.
Happy with Haden and McCoy. All the others were not MY picks. Yet i can see what our FO saw and maybe not totally agree with it but can definately get on board with all of em. NOT rip em before they prove anything.
Come on guys!!!!!
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At the very least we addressed the right positions... CB, Safety, RB, QB, OT...
Did we get the BPA at the time to fill the slot? I have no idea.. time will tell,
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This either will spell the end for Hillis or Davis on this team at least by the end of training camp.
I wonder which guy will make it. I'm guessing Peyton Hillis. I really don't see us keeping 5 RB/FBs on the playing roster. Esp. when Cribbs takes up a spot.
So yeah, I'm thinking Davis is gone and Hillis is our 3 RB/backup FB. James Davis is on the Practice Squad
The ham sandwich ( Hillis)may not get any lettuce from the Browns after all.
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I figured it out...
he kind of reminds me of a taller Jamal White
no top end speed bigger back with some hands and moves
side note...
Sadly, I think this spells the end for Vickers as we transition to WCO
Right now we have one TRUE fullback on the roster and that's Vickers.
Some spelled doom for Vickers when we got Hillis. Now it's doom because we got another tailback?
Unjustified fears.
If I may (why yes, Toad, you may. Thanks! )...........
This is a general comment, not directed at anyone, but what team in their right mind would go into the 2010 season with a Jerome Harrison as the ONLY back on the team? He's a role-player on most teams, and behind him sit a bunch of projects and never-was's. We HAD TO HAVE a bonifide prospect as a #1 or #2 back because in the WCO you have to do ALL things well, and Harrison doesn't. We needed a studly second running back to go from a position of weakness to a position of strength. Hardesty does nothing but become another RB. The WCO easily uses Vickers because of all the things he can do.
People, stop fretting over Vickers. He's not in trouble.
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It is pretty clear to me that once Tate and Gerhart were off the board, the Browns overpaid to move up to get Hardesty.
I have no problem about the pick, I do not like the 2 fifth round picks.
Ouch.
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It is pretty clear to me that once Tate and Gerhart were off the board, the Browns overpaid to move up to get Hardesty.
I have no problem about the pick, I do not like the 2 fifth round picks.
Ouch.
According to the draft chart, it was actually almost the perfect pick.
Regardless, Hardesty will make you forget about those two picks fairly soon.
you had a good run Hank.
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This would be my least favorite pick. I loved the Ben Tate pick right before us....even likes Anthony Dixon over Hardesty. But.......if Hardesty stays healthy he could make Tate , Dixon and Gerhardt look very unimprssive. The big IF!!!!!
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I wish I felt the same way. Unfortuately I think this draft has been mostly a big fat whiff. I take sollace in my amateur status and hope I'm wrong. A bunch of gambles, a bunch of "depth" and concession picks but no day 1 starting studs. And a BUNCH of injury flags.
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it's really funny.. I think if you look at all players drafted over the last 10 or so years, odds are, most players drafted today will turn into journeyman.., not All Pros.. that's just the stats..
So it's almost as if you are hedgeing your bets assuming the obvious will be true.. the odds are in your favor..
I'm not hedging bets, I really want to be wrong. And I have been plenty wrong in the past but there's not so many players I thought would suck and then surprised me. The other way has happened a million times. Players I thought would disappoint but didn't; Winslow, Chris Crocker, Rubin... cant think of any others right now. Players I was sadly totally right about: Veikune, Beau Bell, BE, Frye, Chaun Thompson, William Green... the list is endless. Yea the odds are in my favor due to circumstances but it doens't make me feel any better knowing that. I'm looking at out top 5 picks this year and I see 1.5 starters who'll need some depth behind them when they go down, and a bunch of *pretty good* depth, rotation players and special teamers.. And the injury issue is just HUGE with 3 of them (!?!?). Like I said, I really like the idea that this draft is such a paradigm buster that I'm just toally wrong. Please let me be wrong.
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I suppose I can see you and others not liking to give up the picks, but the hit percentage of 5th rounders for the team that drafted the player is poor. Very poor. Several years ago I calculated it and it's around 15-20%. I much prefer to use those picks as bargaining chips to get impact players that you really want. There are quite a few NFL people who feel the same way.
The problem is that when you're a bad team with less-than-average quality starters, you have to use the bargaining chips to try and acquire better starters. When you're a good team with many positions already settled, you can keep your lower picks for special-teamers and developmental players.
So, IMHO, in our specific situation, I think we're better by using those picks to land a quality RB. Hardesty stands a much greater chance of being an impact player much quicker than some 5th rounder would.
Now, I know someone may say "But Toad, Harrison was a 5th round pick!" to which I would say it took him to game 14 of his 4th NFL season to become a productive player, and STILL has so many holes in his game that we needed someone else as insurance for him.
Charger, I wouldn't sweat the two 5th rounders. We needed someone like Hardesty more than whichever shlepps we'd have gotten down there.
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Yeah, I know the numbers add up, 310 to 307 on the chart, and I like Hardesty, but I don't think we should have moved for him.
Still a bit surprised that Griffen and Campbell are on the board. Moreso Griffen.
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I Was livid that they traded up to 59 and didn't take Golden Tate. I'm still angry about it.
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Well, sit on it, Potsy, because I'm angry you got to go to the draft while we all sat at home. 
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Yeah it makes the disappointment and embarrasment that much more public.
The draft has been great except for the browns' picks.
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Our draft lacks sex-appeal, that's for sure.
Now is it a bad draft? I can't, with a clear conscience, say that I knew anything about several of our picks beyond what I read off the net. Because of that, I can't form enough of a legitimate opinion to be elated or upset.
Grade this draft? I give it a big, fat I for incomplete.
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Now is it a bad draft? I can't, with a clear conscience, say that I knew anything about several of our picks beyond what I read off the net.
i think that's the toughest thing for me about this pick. i get that we wanted a rb. i just wish it was gerhart. obviously, he went earlier but if we were to trade up, that's who i'd rather have. i thought the guy was perfect for our division. that said, we picked this guy so i'm hopeful although, from the videos i saw, he's pretty average except has a good spin move.
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I love this.
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Several years ago I calculated it and it's around 15-20%. I much prefer to use those picks as bargaining chips to get impact players that you really want. There are quite a few NFL people who feel the same way.
U got it bro...
And I'd even say that 15-20 is a bit high...
The smartest thing any team can do is do their trading for a boatload of 5ths and 6ths...And instead of USING those picks for what end up being stiffs...TRADE UP 10 plus spots and get a damn player they target in 3 or 4...
FEW people realize that...Hence they get PO'd when u actually use those picks to move up...Watch if Philly don't turn around Saturday and move up in round 4 utilizing those 5ths...
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This draft is a complete bust.
I love this.
Yeah...Me 2... 
Land a Corner who gives us a SOLID 4 Deep rotation...DUMB...
Land a Hard Hitting FS who makes Poole look like a Panzy...We best have checked Ward out real damn good...(Bet we tried to move ahead of Philly for Allen)...We just immensely improved the weakest unit on this team for the past 10 years...With 3 moves...DUMB...
Land a Bruising RB that CAN handle the load...Actually has Soft Hands out of the backfield...And can actually BLOCK...Will split time with Harrison tho...DUMB...
Land a STARTING RG...By mid season this dude will be rollin' people...DUMB...
Land a QB damn near FIFTY SPOTS lower than many of u wanted us to take em'...And many wanted us to go back into round 1 to get em'...DUMB...
Many wanted 2 or 3 STARTERS outta this...We got that IMMEDIATELY...And in year 2???...I COUNT FIVE...DUMB...
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the more research I do on the draftees, the better Ilike the choices.
They all look like solid players that will start sooner or later.
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I just don't get the need to move from 71 to 59 and spend two 5th's to get this guy, no other team in the rest of the 2nd or the 3rd took an RB.
From ESPN:
2005: Sustains season-ending knee injury during Mississippi game and receives medical red shirt. 2007: Misses three games including the SEC Championship game with an ankle injury. 2008: Misses Wyoming game with an injury. 2009: Hindered by sore knees but starts all 13 games.
Maybe he'll be good or maybe he'll be taking advantage of obamacare too often but I think this move was a real reach.
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I just don't get the need to move from 71 to 59 and spend two 5th's to get this guy, no other team in the rest of the 2nd or the 3rd took an RB.
Well, that's because Hardesty was the last RB worthy of a Top100 pick  ...and that's why we moved up to make sure to get him (right after Tate was gone)...I would have preferred only 1 5th and a #92 for a late 4th swap (where we could have landed Lauvao anyway)...but oh well
That's what happens when you go into the draft with multiple holes at starting positions....you need reach....but except for the McCoy-pick at least we got good prospects...we overdrafted them, but at least they are good prospects
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I watched a couple Vol's games this year and I was like "man, this Hardesty kid is really good"! So I really love this guy and I am happy he is a Brown.
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I like the Hardesty pick.. but its like we are chopping at our own toes... 4 RB's generally won't make the team, and generally can't be used effectively...
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How is he at catching the ball out of the backfield, ?
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highlight reels don't really show the drops or all the catches but, he showed that he can catch with his HANDS and not his body (from what I saw).  And I guess he made 25 catches with some in the slot it might be worth asking someone else besides me... I'm not really sold on him. I think he has potential however I think he runs talls, good first step, a really nice cut however... it looks like he has to slow down to make the cut and the only other move he has is the spin. (he wont get away with a lot of those in the NFL), He does not seem to play fast on film. He does have a great burst of speed to get form 2nd to 4th Good hands and he can see the plays pretty well for only starting a small amount of times with 5 years of College. Plus I am not a fan of all the knee injuries... He had one this year that he played with too. I think he could be that one year wonder RB ... but that's just me. I could be wrong and I really hope I am... LIke I said before he is a tallker Jamal White to me.
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But how could we possibly have been dumb enough to draft a guy in a round he wasn't projected in on ESPN? These guys are so stupid!1!!!!!1@!121 We are going to suck AGAIN#@!!~
Its amazing some of the stuff i have read on here.
To have other people drafted than we wanted and wish we had took is understandable. To absolutely rip the ones we took and label them now...its totally rediculous.
Did this go even close to what i wanted? Nope.
Happy with Haden and McCoy. All the others were not MY picks. Yet i can see what our FO saw and maybe not totally agree with it but can definately get on board with all of em. NOT rip em before they prove anything.
Come on guys!!!!!
Come on Deep you know many of the members here know everything about football. They could build a superbowl team in 2 years all on their own. If their guy wsn't picked they whoever we picked is a bust 10 seconds after his name is announced. Never mind that nobody knows how a draft is going to pan out till at least three years after that draft.
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My friend's roommate was a OLB for OU, who played Tennessee, and he said that Hardesty was the best running back he ever played against or saw on film, and he played against Ray Rice and Michael Turner.
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