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I think it's pretty obvious that Heckert/Holmgren/Mangini set out to solidify this one particular unit...
Did it work???...Obviously we won't know till we start doin' some hittin'...But player wise???
IMO...What we needed to do was 6 fold...At least to start with...
1) Get a FS that can be a PRESENCE and protect the over the top stuff...Ryan loves different blitz packages...
2) Get someone opposite Wright that is top caliber...Again...Ryan loves to throw different blitz packages...It CANNOT be done with chump Corners that can't man-up at the LOS...
3) Get MacDonald OFF the field unless we go 6 DB's (DIME)...
4) Get Adams and Sorenson OFF the field permanently...
5) Eliminate guys like Poteat from any 6 DB packages...
6) Get Elam out of town...
This has been a killer for us since inception...We get slaughtered consistently because our Deep Safety has always sucked wind...And our #2 Corner and Nickel Corners have blown forever...
Looking at what we've brought in I think we're well on our way to solidifying this unit...
I watch a ton of College Football...But I literally CANNOT STAND NEBRASKA...Who has any opinions on this Asante cat???...First thing that pops to me is a 4.67 40 time...That's slow...He calls himself an Assassin...Guess that's good...He's got SS written all over em'...Can he replace Elam by mid season???
In TJ Ward we've got our Day One Starting FS...No doubt about it...I watch ALOT of Oregon Football...I like this kid...Reminds me of Lott...He's our Center Fielder and he'll make Ward and Ocho-Stinko think long and hard about the seams...Cannot wait to see this dude lay-out these chumps...Get excited about this kid...He's GOOD...Watch...
And the best part yet...We FINALLY have a Corner to go opposite Wright...And it ain't Brown...It's Haden...We're gonna be able to play tight man with THREE Corners now...This includes Brown...And it will allow Ryan to open up the D the way he wants to...We needed the horses to do it...Now he's got em'...
The ultimate in a 3-4 D is pressure from the OLB's...The alternative is COVERAGE PRESSURE...We finally have SIX bonafide Secondary guys when we wanna go 6 DB's...And MacDonald's the 6th now instead of the #2 Corner...
These guys did a superb job in solidifying this unit...
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I wanted to upgrade the back 7 and knew we needed secondary help, esp. at safety.
Getting the best CB in the draft is something I'm still giddy about. Loved the pick.
No problems with taking Haden and Ward with our first two selections (I admit I never heard of Ward but I don't follow U.S. college ball; &, if the braintrust thinks he's gonna be a good safety, it works for me). Seems a bit small but he certainly hammered people in college.
Elam and Adams weren't good enough, Pool I liked but too fragile in the head. We haven't had a good safety since Griffith.
McDonald had no business starting.... I still wonder what happened to Daven Holly, I liked him quite a bit.
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Did you mean Ward not Shaw? Just wondering if I missed something again...
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I think you'll see Adams and Elam stick with this team at least through this year and possibly next. Adams is a perfect backup in the secondary at multiple positions and is a solid player. If everyone stays healthy, he'll be the nickelback.
While I'm not a fan of Elam, I think he sticks this year as a backup SS while they figure out what they have in this Asante kid. He may even stick next year as well. Might see improved play from him with better players around him.
Starting Corners: Wright, Haden
Starting Safeties: Ward, Brown
Nickel: Adams
Dime: McDonald
One injury to one of the corners, Brown moves to corner, and Elam is in.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Although we have the option of throwing Brown at FS...Mangini himself has shot that idea down...
IMO we r a better team with Ward/Elam right now...And MacDonald only on the field in 6 DB packages...He becomes the 3rd Corner if Brown is at FS...
The way to solidify this secondary is to drop guys like MacDonald and Elam down the depth chart...
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I think that Adams actually did a pretty decent job last year as a backup/fill-in starter, and also a fairly effective nickel. I would definitely kep him in that backup role. Sorenson ... special teams and little else.
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I think that Poteat will be eliminated from the team entirely. If he's going to be your #5 CB, why not keep a younger guy instead? At least a young guy might develop. When talking about a spot on the roster that will rarely see the field ...this only makes sense.
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I definitely don't see this happening .... and in fact, I can easily see him starting again this year.
I do like our depthin the secondary a LOT more than last year. If you can change your #3 CB from Hank Poteat to either Haden or Brown ...... your 4th from whatever bum was there to McDonald ...... change your Safeties from Elam and Pool (1 concussion away from retirement, and not that good anyway) to Elam and Ward ..... HUGE improvement. Changing out a guy like Sorenson for a guy like Asante "should" be an upgrade ..... but 5th roundes always have question marks. I would be absolutely stunned to see Asanta start this season at S. I don't think he's ready ... and I see Elam staying in that spot, for now anyway.
I am curious to see how our defensive packages and calls change now with better quality in the secondary. Instead of having to roll coverages to help a weak CB, we can now put these guys out there a little more. If nothing else .... 3rd and 22 conversions should, and better be, a thing of the past.
Now we just need a pass rush fom somewhere ......
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I agree...
I think it's safe to say Elam will be the last of the changes...
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I think you'll see Adams and Elam stick with this team at least through this year and possibly next. Adams is a perfect backup in the secondary at multiple positions and is a solid player. If everyone stays healthy, he'll be the nickelback.
While I'm not a fan of Elam, I think he sticks this year as a backup SS while they figure out what they have in this Asante kid. He may even stick next year as well. Might see improved play from him with better players around him.
Starting Corners: Wright, Haden
Starting Safeties: Ward, Brown
Nickel: Adams
Dime: McDonald
One injury to one of the corners, Brown moves to corner, and Elam is in.
CB: Wright, Brown,Haden, McDonald, camp battle winner
SS:Elam, Asante
FS: Ward,Adams
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You know I just saw where Mangini said that he's not moving Brown. That does change my opinion.
However, here's a 'for argument's sake' take ... I think at the end of the day, Mangini and Ryan are going to want to get the best players on the football field. I think the closest certainty for starters is that Wright and Haden are the starting corners. So if Wright and Haden are starting, I just can't see Brown not on the field. I think they'll try him at safety. JMO. Maybe he goes to the nickelback in the 3 corner sets and Elam goes to safety. But to not have Brown on the field will be a mistake IMO.
Here are a couple of things to watch for in camp:
*Brown beating out Wright for a starting CB spot.
*Haden coming on slowly. Considering our group of WRs, this would be a concern.
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I'm gonna go ahead and say it now..
Unfortunately.. Asante wont beat out Elam.. and at best.. Asante is just a back-up.. If he can put for some Mike Adams type effort though.. I won't complain about a 6th round pick.
Time for Ventrone and Furrey to go though. Asante can atleast do that.
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Fixed it daman, thanks. Don't know why I wrote Shaw. 
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I think you'll see Adams and Elam stick with this team at least through this year and possibly next. Adams is a perfect backup in the secondary at multiple positions and is a solid player. If everyone stays healthy, he'll be the nickelback.
While I'm not a fan of Elam, I think he sticks this year as a backup SS while they figure out what they have in this Asante kid. He may even stick next year as well. Might see improved play from him with better players around him.
Starting Corners: Wright, Haden
Starting Safeties: Ward, Brown
Nickel: Adams
Dime: McDonald
One injury to one of the corners, Brown moves to corner, and Elam is in.
CB: Wright, Brown,Haden, McDonald, camp battle winner
SS:Elam, Asante
FS: Ward,Adams
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The team seems to like Ventrone ... so I think he'd be a hard decision. Sorenson is, I think, a goner.
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forgot about Ventrone.
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We got a whole lot more physical in the secondary.........something we've failed to do since rebirth. Assante isn't a ball-hawk by any means, but dude will knock your head off.
I think Elam starts, but he's the weak link now, and going into this off season we thought he was one of the keepers...lol. The best part of this draft is how they got physical DBs who can tackle and hit
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Francies "might" be OK .... if the team see increased maturity and commitment out of the kid. I would guess that Lawson immediately moves onto the bubble. Good special teamer, but definitely a liability on defense.
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Asante is a transplanted LB. I look for him to be used in multiple situations and he's a serious run stopper.
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If Brown beats out anyone, it's gonna be Haden while he adjusts to the NFL game.
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I've been trying to work out who our guys are going into camp, here's a shot.
Saftey: Am I missing anybody? I know these guys haven't played an NFL down but this group looks a lot more appealing than last year's going in.
Elam
Ward
Assante
Sorenson
Ventrone
Adams
CB: Wow, this group looks a ton better. Again, I could easily be missing guys, I think going into camp there has to be more to this group..
Wright
McDonald
Haden
Brown
Francies
Lawson
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I thought that Lawson was considered a S?
Here is what the roster shows prior to adding the draft picks.
20 Adams, Mike DB 5-11 200 29 6 Delaware
Bowie, John DB 5-11 190 25 3 Cincinnati
Brown, Sheldon DB 5-10 200 31 9 South Carolina
26 Elam, Abram DB 6-0 207 28 4 Kent State
25 Francies, Coye DB 6-0 185 23 R San Jose State
30 Lawson, Gerard DB 5-10 195 25 2 Oregon State
22 McDonald, Brandon DB 5-10 185 24 3 Memphis
33 Richardson, Matterral DB 6-0 205 24 1 Arkansas
Roberson, Chris DB 5-11 190 26 3 Eastern Michigan
38 Robinson, Ramzee DB 5-10 190 26 3 Alabama
27 Sorensen, Nick DB 6-3 210 31 9 Virginia Tech
41 Ventrone, Ray DB 5-10 200 27 4 Villanova
24 Wright, Eric DB 5-10 190 24 3 UNLV
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I think we'll see a lot of Haden-Wright-Brown-Ward backfields where we play one safety over the top and rush a few LB's.
The whole reason to draft Haden is that we now have 3 guys who can play very good man to man defense or zone defense. I think at times you'll see a 3 corner, one safety look, a 2 corner, 2 safety look, a 4 corners look...you're going to see all of that.
The main thing that the defensive backfield now gives us is two things: Flexibility and a physical intimidation. Look at who we added to basically Eric Wright:
Brown- Huge hitter from the corner spot. He's a head hunter
Haden- Good, solid wrap up tackler who is only going to get better.
Ward- Is known for being a head hunter, can lay the wood at any time.
Asante- Run stuffer who loves to fill lanes and hit people. Former Linebacker.
There will be no more of our DB's getting tossed into the 3rd row by runningbacks. You're going to see helmets flying off WR'ers, passes jarred loose by hits and a lot of forced fumbles. You're also going to see RB's who try to go wide get shut down pretty quickly by our DB's.
This is, finally, an NFL caliber defensive backfield. The question is not if they will be good, it will be how good. We have a lot of potentially special players behind our LB's and DL.
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Exactly.
Haden starts the year at nickel...which is a great spot for him to learn since he'll essentially be a starter considering how much passing goes on in today's NFL.
Wright is very underrated. He lacks tackling ability but he's come a LONG way in coverage, and he's got the drive to succeed unlike that assclown McDonald.
CB's: Wright, Brown, Haden, and so on
Safeties: Elam and Ward w/ Adams as the primary backup, the other kids fighting for secondary backup duties.
I like our defensive backfield if we can develop quickly. Could be some early growing pains though.
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There will definitely be growing pains with two rookies get a good amount of playing time, but there's also no better way to learn.
Asante will likely only get time in Nickel packages, and he's going to have to beat out Adams to do that.
Getting McDonald moved to the #4 CB spot is HUGE for us because the kid isn't terrible, he just gambles WAY too much. He's a legitimate back-up, marginal starter.... so having him where he is now is a mighty fine thing for us.
Prior to this, our best secondary was Griffith & Earl at Safety with McCutcheon & Co. at Cornerback.
We *finally* have a group that may be able to improve upon that, and it is a young group that will be around long term.
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One coach who has to be smiling a lot today is Rob Ryan.
With the additions to strengthen the defensive backfield this off-season, Ryan's defensive creativity can be unleashed. I would not be surprised with defensive combinations that included all LBs and DBs.
Last season, when the Browns rolled up 4 wins in a row to finish the season, Ryan used his creativity to keep defenses confused while the defense racked up 16 sacks of their 40 (8th in the NFL), during that period
With the addition of Sheldon Brown, Haden, TJ Ward and Asante, it should help Ryan and the defense to create new schemes. This season, some of the Browns defensive backs will be fighting for a job. Those who looked horrible tackling and in pass coverage last season will be forced to raise the level of their play or they will be looking for work elsewhere.
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With the additions to strengthen the defensive backfield this off-season, Ryan's defensive creativity can be unleashed. I would not be surprised with defensive combinations that included all LBs and DBs.
Last season, when the Browns rolled up 4 wins in a row to finish the season, Ryan used his creativity to keep defenses confused while the defense racked up 16 sacks of their 40 (8th in the NFL), during that period
With the addition of Sheldon Brown, Haden, TJ Ward and Asante, it should help Ryan and the defense to create new schemes. This season, some of the Browns defensive backs will be fighting for a job. Those who looked horrible tackling and in pass coverage last season will be forced to raise the level of their play or they will be looking for work elsewhere.
Not only the addition of improved tallent, but the fact that now last years players will be coming in already well versed with the program.
That is the most significant thing I am looking forward to, seeing how much the team retained from last year. Can Ryan start, from the get go, throwing those kind of wild packages into the mix?
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i have always felt eazy e was a good tackler. now mcdonald, thats a different story. but mcd is a great number 4 cb. nice when you add players that make your #2 cb a #4
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i have always felt eazy e was a good tackler. now mcdonald, thats a different story. but mcd is a great number 4 cb. nice when you add players that make your #2 cb a #4
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McDonald is a bad player and an even worse person.
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Did he steal your girlfriend or something?
Some people follow McDonald on twitter. I guess he types some outrageous things.
At least that's what people on this board have said. Me, I'm not with the twitter scene yet. I don't do the tweeting because who really is going to follow me? As for the reading twitter stuff, I guess I don't do that either, but may be i should........
But Ammo could be talking about something totally different, i dunno. But yeah, from what I've read, he makes very cocky twitter posts
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What Ammo is talking about is that a local radio personality who dated McDonald is accusing McDonald of beating her.
That is a large part of him being a bad person. Personally, I do not trust her and will go with innocent until proven guilty.
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My dislike of McDonald has nothing to do with that, primarily because I often forget about it. McDonald is a punk. On twitter, he often used the F bomb and the "n" word. I have zero respect for him as a person.
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Yo, Dawg in D.! I like the emphasis on defense, and our biggest issues were in secondary. No lead was safe with group. Can't tell you how often they "kept" drives alive by allowing long 3rd down conversions. The three and out club that was the Daboll offensive experience (middle, middle, drop, boot) seldom changed and rarely produced, then usually field goals. Some thoughts: A) I like what we have done to get stronger up the middle like in baseball. For this year, we are stronger, not great, but stronger. B) We are seemingly stressing more edge blitzing ability, three-corner sets. I hope these impressions are correct: First, looks like we will require better run support from corners and safeties, a demonstrated weakness for last few years. Second, we have some depth, so we expect to bang 'em around pretty well in games. I favor all that. This draft wasn't "The Cure"' obviously we needed more help than we got. But it is "The Start", and some of these folks are going to be decent with the right coaching and a more aggressive mindset for games on the sidelines. JUst saying. 
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I've seen everything I needed to see from McDonald when I saw him intentionally pull back from making a tackle in a real NFL game. Kid might have good cover skills but his mindset for tackling is a liability. It's why Romeo benched him and its why Mangini benched him. I actually think he wouldn't even be on the team if we weren't desperate at that position the last couple years. Hopefully, that will soon change.
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I don't get the opinion some seem to have, that McDonald is a good cover guy?
Time and time again, it was obvious that teams singled him out as the weak link in our pass coverage and went after him, regardless of who he was covering, especially in critical situations such as 3rd down.
I did see a handful of times, late in the year when he did cover well. That proved to me he could do it...but it also exposed a bigger problem.
McDonald exerted himself when McDonald wanted to...not on every down or when the team needed him to make a play. McDonald played like one of a few who did not want to be in Cleveland...did not want to play for the Cleveland Browns.
IMO, Brandon McDonald played like someone looking to save himself for his next job opportunity.
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Mac - I think you answered your own question there. MacD showed that he has the capability to be a shutdown corner on any particular play with his coverage skills. He has also show the lack of ability to do so game to game or even play to play.
Of course his tackling leaves now doubt about his lack of desire to get in there and rough it up with the big boys.
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Wright nor McDonald can tackle.. I think McDonald is actually a better tackler than Wright...Lets hope Haden can tackle.
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From what I have seen Haden is an excellent tackler. Though I have seen a couple of plays where he goes for the big knock you down hit rather than the hit and wrap, but I am sure Mangini will get that out of him.
My opinion is that Wright is a fair tackler. Not great but adequate for a Cb. MacD on the other had is horrible. I don't think it is a technique thing but more a desire thing. I think he is afraid to get in there and mix it up.
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From what I have seen Haden is an excellent tackler. Though I have seen a couple of plays where he goes for the big knock you down hit rather than the hit and wrap, but I am sure Mangini will get that out of him.
My opinion is that Wright is a fair tackler. Not great but adequate for a Cb. MacD on the other had is horrible. I don't think it is a technique thing but more a desire thing. I think he is afraid to get in there and mix it up.
Haden is a sure tackler. In almost all cases where he puts a big hit on the guy, its a case where the ball is going to get to the receiver a bit before him making a batted pass, or even a strip impossible, so the blow is an effort to knock the ball loose for an incompletion.
Joe knows his limits. He knows he isn't the biggest guy on the field so he usually just wraps the guys legs and brings him down.
His ability to stick with and make tackles is outstanding....I mean outstanding.
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His ability to stick with and make tackles is outstanding....I mean outstanding.
just in case people think this is 'Peen just pimping another Gator. it is not. he's right on the money with this one.
and I like the other reference above to tackling being more of a desire thing. i think it is much like rebounding in basketball: sure you need to know the proper technique and be in the correct position. but, alot of times, it just comes down to who wants it more (in this case the tackler or the runner).
and Joe Haden tackling = David Lee rebounding
(see 'Peen, I was complimentary to 2 Gators in the same post)
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yup....haden's a very sure tackler. he definitely doesn't oley like mcdonald.....
wright used to do the same, but the last 6 games last year showed much improvement in his willingness to tackle. i'll attribute it to coaching, because he has to be aware that he will not last long here, or elsewhere, unless he demonstrates that he can prevent those bubble screens and protect the end. he was going in high last year....ala the famous peterson nudge....but began just going low and wrapping up the legs.
he's shown improvement every year, and will continue to do so.
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