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So, I know he's a bit older, but he would still be an upgrade to what we have right now. Why have we not even contacted this guy?? Quote:
I am unemployed and hoping someone will call," Mawae, 39, told "3 Hour Lunch" on 104.5 in Nashville. "It's kind of befuddling to me that I just came off my eighth Pro Bowl and a 16-game season and I can't get one phone call.
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im surprised nobody has called him but the browns should not. he plays center and if we want alex mack to improve he needs to be able to keep his job, and i doubt Mawae wants to play guard on a non playoff team
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Probably your reason right there. That, plus the fact that we have a solid 2nd year Center doesn't make for a marriage made in heaven as far as the Browns are concerned. Wuld he happlly come in and be a backup at this point? I doubt it based on his other comments. There is also the fact that he would be, most likely, a 1 year guy. Not the kind of guy you rush out to sign unless you have a dire need.
There is some talk that he might wind up back in Tennessee as a backup. I would suspect that he might have more value if someone loses a Center in training camp.
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Might be a candidate for a salary bypass operation. 39 is a bunch; I don't think we need a silverback squad out there. He may be in his utility phase of guard / center / snapper. Odd that this caliber has received cero phone calls, though. I think if you can retire healthy from the NFL, you win! Think it over, big fella! 
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Mawae is the President of the NFLPA (or something like that) which is about to go at it with the owners over the CBA. The owners know it's going to get ugly so why bring in someone thats just going to be a disruption? Especially if he's 39?
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Sick of old aging vets, I want to grow our own talent.
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A Center will go down this summer,, and when it happens, someone will call him up and say,, come on in...
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It's kind of befuddling to me that I just came off my eighth Pro Bowl and a 16-game season and I can't get one phone call.
Would make a nice one season mentor for Alex Mack.
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Alex Mack did just fine last season without one. Joe Thomas did alright without one. I am not a bliever in mentors for players. Thats why you have coaches. No thank you to a 39 yr old football player.
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Alex Mack did just fine last season without one. Joe Thomas did alright without one. I am not a bliever in mentors for players. Thats why you have coaches. No thank you to a 39 yr old football player.
Thank you! I'm sick to death of the whole "mentoring player" thing that gets way too much traction on the boards. These are not boys and thier fathers, they're all young men. Sure an all-pro or seasoned vet can show a younger guy a thing or two but not so much really. There's this fantasy that they take new guys under their wing and really help foster them along. That's what coaches are for and position coaches in particular are a highly undervalued commodity among the fans. Fact is, most players that get to be all-pro or are in the league for a long while are usually pretty no-nonsense, cut throat dudes. They got their job by taking someone elses and fending off the competition. There's exceptions of course but from what I've seen most older vets are not that eager to help some 22 year old figure out how take and keep them out of their job. Real players like Mack don't need player mentors so much at this level.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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Youre reading too much into my inflection/tone. Wasn't meant to be a slam or aggressive. Conversational tone.
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An aging veteran is not needed on this team, he would just take a roster spot from a young developmental player. 39....retire already
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Alex Mack did just fine last season without one.
BULLCRAP Alex had a mentor last season. Hank helped him any way that he could.
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Why is it people forget that?
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o goshh.. not the hank fraley chants again..
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o goshh.. not the hank fraley chants again..
no, not at all,, it's that Andre thought that Mack did fine without a mentor and completely forgot that Fraley was here., GM brought it up and I basically wondered how people could forget that..
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Probably because Mack started every game last season. People envision mentors as aging starters, not aging backups.
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I seem to recall Danielle saying it was Hank making the calls at the line when he was playing guard, showing the kid the ropes.
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Probably because Mack started every game last season. People envision mentors as aging starters, not aging backups.
I don't view it at all that way.. I view a mentor as someone showing the ropes to a young guy.. Be it as the go to guy for questions on the sidelines, on the field, or in the film room.. Starting or backing up,, doesn't even enter into the equation for me...
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j/c I wouldn't want a 39 yr old Mawae to take the spot of a promising young player. However, I would take Mawae over Ghuichic any day of the week. And we do need someone to backup at C. This whole line of thoughts leaves me re-scratching my head at the release of Fraley...mentor or not. 
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I wouldn't want a 39 yr old Mawae to take the spot of a promising young player.
However, I would take Mawae over Ghuichic any day of the week.
And we do need someone to backup at C.
This whole line of thoughts leaves me re-scratching my head at the release of Fraley...mentor or not.
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I wouldn't want a 39 yr old Mawae to take the spot of a promising young player.
However, I would take Mawae over Ghuichic any day of the week.
And we do need someone to backup at C.
This whole line of thoughts leaves me re-scratching my head at the release of Fraley...mentor or not.
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that might be why we haven't called, he probably don't want to be a backup, Just came off a pro-bowl, i can see his point, but if he wants to eat..
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I have wondered if it wasn't a Fraley / Mangini thing ???
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I have wondered if it wasn't a Fraley / Mangini thing ???
Danielle mentioned that a few weeks before Hank was cut, that he was told he'd be here this year. Now I don't remember if she ever told us who told Hank that..
But since we are guessing at things,, Why can't it be Fraley/Heckert thing? They have a much longer history.
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Heckert's dumped him twice now, so it makes me wonder if it's something personal...
I've never read or heard a negative take on Fraley's approach or dedication to his craft, his relations with teammates or willingness to do what was asked of him. Quite the opposite, in fact.
The only dig on him had been that he wasn't the strongest guy against big NTs. To me, that was not a good enough reason to dump somebody who can back up 3 positions while mentoring a young C along the way.
I know none of this is breaking news, just saying it might point to something between Fraley and Heckert we haven't heard about.
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Heckert's dumped him twice now, so it makes me wonder if it's something personal...
I don't think that is fair to Heckert. The first time he "dumped" him, Hank was his backup OC and we were desperate and offering more in trade than he could ever expect to get for a backup OC.
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I agree. Heckert traded Fraley, he didn't dumb him.
I don't know it it was more than he could expect, but he was offered a deal for a guy he felt was expendable, so he made the move.
It's all about doing what you feel will help the team most in both the short term and long term.
Short term he must have felt it wasn't going to kill them and long term could pay dividends.
What did we give?? A 5th rounder??
From his perspective it was deal a player who in his opinion had maybe 3-4 years left....not good enough to be a starter on his team for a pick that might stick around in some capacity for 7-8 years.
Even if the drafted player was a back-up, you are trading a 3-4 year back-up for a 7-8 year back-up.
Most GM's make that move. It's not like people would be holding the Fraley trade over his head for years if the drafted player didn't work out. Most fans understand the concept of risk/reward.
Shoot, we traded or cut Shawn O'Hare, and he started for the Giants for a good while.....may still be the starter for all I know. To the best of my recall, most people said O'Hare sucked while he played here..
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The Browns traded a 6th round pick for Fraley.
In return, they got 3 years, 2 as a quality starter.
Good deal overall even if they dumped him this year.
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What I was trying to get to the bottom of was, what is the point of cutting a player you don't have a legit replacement for?
I am not aware of anyone on the team that backs up C legitimately. (as well or better than Fraley) In addition, Fraley was pretty effective subbing in at G. He wasn't prohibitively expensive.
I know I was just throwing lukewarm conspiracies out there, but whatever. I really don't get that cut.
That pseudo-drama was for you, Hank.
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Savage signed Fraley to a new deal back in 2007 (Or 2008? I don't remember which). I really don't know what the number was for this year based on that dea as most of the articles I can find reference an "undisclosed" amount. Given that Mack is now the present and future of the Center position for the Browns ..... it is entirely possible that Fraley was too expensive to be a backup.
I can't say for certain, as I have not found contract deals for the deal he signed earlier in his Browns career ..... but that would be my guess. Replacement handy or not, a player whose contract exceeds hie value to the team will not have a significant tenure.
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it is entirely possible that Fraley was too expensive to be a backup.
that is probably the reasoning for his release as well as letting Hadnot go away during free agency.
in the back-up center thread CFRS15 mentioned that Fraley's roster bonus alone would be $1.5 mil not counting his salary
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in the back-up center thread CFRS15 mentioned that Fraley's roster bonus alone would be $1.5 mil not counting his salary
Well, that doesn't sound like a lot of money to me given that you are talking about Center.. What are we going to have to give up if, god forbid, Mack goes down? On top of which, Hank was a valuable asset at Guard as well...
So that kinda money seems like a cheap insurance policy to me...
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I'd agree, it's not that much considering...
I would more lean to some kind of issue Heckert has with Hank. The timing of the cut and our lack of having someone better to fill the spot just screams history issues.
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I'd agree, it's not that much considering...
.....that there is no cap this year.
there must have been some history between Heckert and Fraley. This move is still a head scratcher.
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Cap or no Cap,, given what he brought to the table, it's cheap..
I have never gotten that move.. made no sense to me..,
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in the back-up center thread CFRS15 mentioned that Fraley's roster bonus alone would be $1.5 mil not counting his salary
Well, that doesn't sound like a lot of money to me given that you are talking about Center.. What are we going to have to give up if, god forbid, Mack goes down? On top of which, Hank was a valuable asset at Guard as well...
So that kinda money seems like a cheap insurance policy to me...
I would rather have Hank or Hadnot than Ghaiciuc too just b/c I have little faith in Ghaiciuc.
But it's neither my decision nor yours to make. Wish it was, at least this time......
I have been harping about this since Hank and Hadnot left.  Lets hope we get another center/guard to come in to camp to compete at the very least.
Luavao is working at both guard positions,but not center.
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Luavao is working at both guard positions,but not center.
If he can backup both, or hold down either, I'd be less a contrarian on the Fraley stupidity.
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