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I am debating getting Browns season tickets for the upcoming year with a friend, but live a significant distance away from Cleveland where it isn't feasible to go to all the games.
I figure I'll likely be able to get to 3 Regular Season games, I'll be counting on friends/family to use 1 other game & I will have to sell the rest. I am willing to part with the Pittsburgh game & a few other good opponents just to make sure I can break even.
My question for season seat holders is what has your experience been with using the NFL Ticket Exchange that has it's link under Tickets on ClevelandBrowns.com? Is it usually fairly effective at selling tickets you cannot use at least at cost? I just want to at least break even in this situation & have tickets for myself & family when we want them.
Any guidance & advice is appreciated...
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I haven't used it nor do I know anyone who has.
However, I do know that people have had good luck selling tickets on this site. The rules for ticket sales are in the Rules of the Pound at the top of the page.
I have to think you'd be able to find someone to snag up those Steelers tickets pretty quickly. Better that they go to a Browns fan.
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Any avenue of selling them is fine with me. I just want to ensure I am not losing money in the long run, especially after making the investment in a PSL. If this site has a lot of Browns buyers, I'd be fine selling them here. I am not looking for a major profit and I would prefer more Brown in the crowd, as opposed to Black & Yellow.
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Any avenue of selling them is fine with me. I just want to ensure I am not losing money in the long run, especially after making the investment in a PSL. If this site has a lot of Browns buyers, I'd be fine selling them here. I am not looking for a major profit and I would prefer more Brown in the crowd, as opposed to Black & Yellow.
If you sell them on this site, you can only sell that at face value or less. If you are fine with that then you may be able to find some people here that would be willing to buy them.
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As long as the Browns are near .500 you could reasonably expect face value every game you want to sell. Though there's a +/- factor with shipping, opponent, weather conditions, and if we're not out of the playoff hunt to be understood. If our record is 4-8....and you're trying to unload a non-divisional game, be prepared to get almost no bites (even if you're selling 50% off). Heck, you may only be able to give them away. Of course, if we're 8-4 you'd be able to probably get above face on a few ticket sites. So it goes both ways (though we aren't 8-4 very often  ).
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As long as the Browns are near .500 you could reasonably expect face value every game you want to sell. Though there's a +/- factor with shipping, opponent, weather conditions, and if we're not out of the playoff hunt to be understood.
If our record is 4-8....and you're trying to unload a non-divisional game, be prepared to get almost no bites (even if you're selling 50% off). Heck, you may only be able to give them away.
Well, I am planning on always using any game around Christmas/New Years since it is the best time of year to hit the outlets & get a game in. So I would primarily be selling tix in the middle of the schedule. I am more partial to seeing non divisional opponents myself, so if I have to mainly dump divisional games. I am fine with that.
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How hard is it to break even on Pre Season games?
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I wouldn't count on it. In fact, I generally end up giving them away ( I don't know if you can write off the face value of the tickets if you give them away to charity or not -- I would think you could though).
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Ha ha ha...no doubt. I sold my two Bears preseason tickets ($68 each) against the Giants last year with a parking pass ($100) for $150 total. And I shipped it using Priority Mail. So I got about 50% of the money back.
Funny, the 2nd preseason game was against the Browns and NOBODY would buy either items off eBay for any price. So I went with a buddy (yes, you'd think I'd want to go being a Browns fan but preseason game #4 is worthless crap).
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lol.. I figured they'd be a write off.. When I got the season ticket total.. I took the number and divided it by 8 instead of 10 to find out what I would need to sell each game for..
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Any avenue of selling them is fine with me. I just want to ensure I am not losing money in the long run, especially after making the investment in a PSL. If this site has a lot of Browns buyers, I'd be fine selling them here. I am not looking for a major profit and I would prefer more Brown in the crowd, as opposed to Black & Yellow.
If you sell them on this site, you can only sell that at face value or less. If you are fine with that then you may be able to find some people here that would be willing to buy them.
true.....but by private message after the advertised price, I don't think anybody is going to complain about paying a few extra bucks to ship the tickets.
You can forward tickets through the locker room, but my experience is people like the actual ticket and not some piece of paper off the printer.
In other words I don't think anyone is going to get all bunched up if you ask maybe $15 over face to cover the cost of going to FedEx and shipping the things out.
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I guess my real question is.. Do any season seat holders have significant issues breaking at least even on the tickets they can't use?
I have an offer to buy 2 decent upper bowl seat licenses. I just want to make sure in the long run I am not getting burned most years with tix I can't sell or PSL I can get my money back on.
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What you can sell your tix for will depend on what the team is doing.
If we are 0-4 and heading into cold weather, good luck getting a few bucks for them.
I find it funny how the word 'investment' and 'breaking even' is being used here. Football tix for the Browns is basically the exact opposite of an investment and you will be lucky to break even on the year. This is for entertainment and is not an investment when you are talking about a team that is as horrendous as ours. And if you think the Delhomme/Wallace train is here to save the day, you need a grasp of reality soon. There's threads floating around here from past seasons where people could not give their tix away, let alone get their money back. Who wants to sit in cold, snow/sleet/rain/wind to watch a team get crushed? And then pay $ for that? No thanks.
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I think there are some posters here who are season ticket holders and have donated to charity tickets that they don't plan on using and then written off the value of the tickets on their taxes. Might be something to look into if the season goes south and you can't find buyers.
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I guess my real question is.. Do any season seat holders have significant issues breaking at least even on the tickets they can't use?
I have an offer to buy 2 decent upper bowl seat licenses. I just want to make sure in the long run I am not getting burned most years with tix I can't sell or PSL I can get my money back on.
I agree with CDawg. Browns tickets, at least at this point, are by no means an investment (at least a good investment  ). I had to let mine go a few times over the past few years for less than face value or just flat out give them away. I only missed one game (the SD one) this past year and ended up donating those to charity.
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I guess my real question is.. Do any season seat holders have significant issues breaking at least even on the tickets they can't use?
I have an offer to buy 2 decent upper bowl seat licenses. I just want to make sure in the long run I am not getting burned most years with tix I can't sell or PSL I can get my money back on.
I sold my PSL's last year. I owned them for four seasons, I think. I never broke even...not once. I was in the hole every season by several hundred dollars. Why? Because the team sucked and you can't sell tickets for full price that aren't in demand. If the team does better, your chances of selling your tickets for face value (or above) is better. It's simple, really.
I would go ahead and buy them...it's gambling, yes, but the team HAS to eventually get better, right? Besides, owning PSL's isn't really about making money or breaking even...it's about going to the games and having fun.
I sold for many reasons, but mostly because a game in Cleveland would end up costing many hundreds of dollars by the time I got a room, boarded the dogs, paid for the tickets, etc. I also got tired of being the "middle man". I buy for full price, I sell for less, I mail the tickets. Just got tiring after a while. It's much easier to go to my local watering hole and come straight home. And, if I want to go to a game, paying out the ass for tickets still SAVES me money over owning the PSL's for season after season of sucky football.
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I sold the seasons tickets last year, and this year. But I kept the PSL's in my name. That way when/if we're ever worth watching again, I'll still have my tickets.
Call me fairweather or whatever, but I still watch the games on TV, but I refuse to drive up there to watch us get beat every game anymore. Like Michelle, I live in Dayton, so I'm looking at about 3 1/2 hours each way.
1 o'clock games, I have to leave at like 730 to be able to get there and have a few beers before the game.
4 o'clock games, I can wait and leave about 10, but then I don't get home till midnight or later and have to be at work Monday.
And Sunday Night/Monday Night games, I have to get a room.
It's not worth the time or money anymore.
When we're competitive, I'll start going again.
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Thanks for the honesty Cdawg. I am honestly looking for some feedback like that. This is a tough decision for me even tho the financial commitment isn't huge. I also don't want to be throwing money away if becoming a season seat holder isn't a solid idea at this point in time.
A PSL is a form of investment whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Tickets would be the cost of attending the entertainment. I am not sure if I like/agree with the concepts behind a PSL, but if the demand is there then team's can count on them being paid.
I don't think breaking even on the 'tickets' is unfair to expect or hope for. I simply want access to all the games I can make it to without significant mark ups on the price. Obviously there is some risk in becoming a season seat holder, given I may not be able to resell my seats for games I cannot attend.
The seats I am looking at are in 527 & because of the distance from mid field, I am somewhat hesitant to buy them. The row is the enticing part for me, being in the bottom third of the rows. Any other kinds of feedback are appreciated. I'm on the fence here, lol...
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I sold the seasons tickets last year, and this year. But I kept the PSL's in my name. That way when/if we're ever worth watching again, I'll still have my tickets.........
I live in Dayton, so I'm looking at about 3 1/2 hours each way.
Have you broken even for the most part on selling your seats?
I am 4 1/2 - 5 hrs away, so I feel your pain.... However, the gf likes the outlet shopping in PA so that helps.. lol.
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I would go ahead and buy them...it's gambling, yes, but the team HAS to eventually get better, right? Besides, owning PSL's isn't really about making money or breaking even...it's about going to the games and having fun.
I don't have kids & only have a cat I can dump at my parents place, lol.. So for me it's the convenience of being able to go without a potentially large mark up, especially in the event that the Browns actually start resembling a solid team again.. If I was a little closer to Clev this decision would be a definite 'yes'.
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It's simply supply and demand. If you have supply and there is no demand, you have to lower your price or in this instance give the product away so it's not wasted. With the current team in it's current form, until we know more of what we have, I would go into this saying that IF you can break even that would be a tremendous return on your 'investment'. If the team continues to be below average then you will not break even or come close to it. And at this point you should make the assumption that since we are rebuilding (again) that it could be a few years before we are competitive, which will cost you money. When the team returns to something that resembles a professional football franchise, then you could look to start breaking even on your tickets. Until then, you are the guy that I buy my tickets from or get them for free.
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My seats are field level / lower bowl, whatever you want to call them and I barely broke even last year. The preseason games are tough to get more than $10 a seat for so you lose a few hundred bucks right there.
I charge a premium for the Steelers game and any other big game. I have to in order to make up for the preseason loss and other low demand games.
My PSL's though have doubled in value. That alone is a decent profit; but I can't see any of that profit until I let go of them for good..... So that could change before I cash in on them.
Something you'll want to consider if "breaking even" is important to you is the status of the CBA. We could very well be looking at a lock out and a team full of scab players. If that happens, you can expect to lose 80% of your ticket money for as long as that goes on. No one's going to pay more than $20 for scabs.
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It's the only thing keeping me from buying another four PSL's.
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It's the only thing keeping me from buying another four PSL's.
I think you just convinced me to wait at least until a labor interruption is averted.. lol.. Thanks man!
I've read in a couple of articles stating that the number of season ticket holders fell by approximately 5,000 last year. The season ticket base could fall even more after this year given the team's performance, the economy & the CBA. Buying in now could be suicide if replacements were used. If the NFL pulls an NHL and does not play 2011, then at least the season seat holders aren't ripped off. I can't see the NFL going down the scab player route, but that risk is significant enough to shy away from the idea for me getting season seats for now! Oh well! Anyone got tix for the opener? 
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I guess my real question is.. Do any season seat holders have significant issues breaking at least even on the tickets they can't use?
I have an offer to buy 2 decent upper bowl seat licenses. I just want to make sure in the long run I am not getting burned most years with tix I can't sell or PSL I can get my money back on.
I didn't sell mine last year......donated them to charity.
Bottom line is if you are really needing to break even, you don't need to buy the seats if you aren't going to use them.
Either you can afford them or you can't is the way I look at it....if you sell off the extras, that is a bonus.
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Bottom line is if you are really needing to break even, you don't need to buy the seats if you aren't going to use them.
Either you can afford them or you can't is the way I look at it....if you sell off the extras, that is a bonus.
I'm being frugal.. Have the money, just afraid of wasting it. Maybe donating them would be a reasonable option as well..
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Either you can afford them or you can't is the way I look at it....if you sell off the extras, that is a bonus.
I'm being frugal.. Have the money, just afraid of wasting it. Maybe donating them would be a reasonable option as well..
That's cool....I prefer to sell mine as well, but it usually doesn't happen in total.
There is usually a game here and there that you can't sell......just be prepared for that if you do buy.....and forget selling pre-season....those are definitely donations to the Browns charity.....you are stupid to take $10 a seat....get the deduction..
I have always said I will never sell my seats to a Browns fan over face.....and I mean that....I also won't sell them for much of a discount....I'll just have some arm and leg room.....my attitude is is you don't want me selling them over face, don't expect me to sell them under face.....or close anyway....I may cut a bit of a break.
My attitude is my $1400 is already gone....paid for my two seats last month, so by the time Oct rolls around, my money is long gone. If I don't get any back, no big deal, it's not going to hurt that months budget if i don't sell them.
Really, I am to the point I would rather make a little money off a visiting fan by charging them a premium which they are happy to pay since I don't charge more than $20 over face then sell some Browns fan expecting me to sell for half value.
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PSL owner and Season ticket holder here..
IMO, it's pretty obvious the Browns are working hard to get the season ticket holders easier ways to pay for the season tix. Shoot, there are somewhere betwen 4 and 6 payment options. My guess is they are a bit worried.. I'm getting taped calls from Josh Cribbs urging me to renew and to listen to the pressers..
They give me personal account rep thats been another disapointment.. ack phooey.
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I would be happy with buy 1 beer get 1 beer free coupons in the back of the ticket packet instead of buy 1 hot dog get 1 hot dog free. Just a thought.
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.....and forget selling pre-season....those are definitely donations to the Browns charity.....you are stupid to take $10 a seat....get the deduction..
I have always said I will never sell my seats to a Browns fan over face.....and I mean that....I also won't sell them for much of a discount....I'll just have some arm and leg room.....my attitude is is you don't want me selling them over face, don't expect me to sell them under face.....or close anyway....I may cut a bit of a break.
I would claim the deduction, BUT, I need to check with my accountant because I am Canadian.. lol..
I am not yearning for seasons seats to make a killing on selling tickets. But to me the fair price per seat is the PURCHASE PRICE divided by 8 and not 10. The pre season is free money for the owners IMO. Therefore, my ideal return per game is a little higher than the actual ticket price. There are implicit costs associated with being a season seat holder. Having to buy pre season tix is the biggest implicit cost. I think it is fair to cover some of those costs.
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PSL owner and Season ticket holder here..
IMO, it's pretty obvious the Browns are working hard to get the season ticket holders easier ways to pay for the season tix. Shoot, there are somewhere betwen 4 and 6 payment options. My guess is they are a bit worried.. I'm getting taped calls from Josh Cribbs urging me to renew and to listen to the pressers..
They give me personal account rep thats been another disapointment.. ack phooey.
You got a call from Josh Cribbs? Oh wait, it was taped.. Ack Phooey! lol.
The 'rep' or whoever I have been corresponding with has become more liberal implying that more season seats in better rows/sections might be available soon as others let them go or don't renew.. Not sure what kind of exodus they're expecting, but it is keeping my attention. I think I may still be scared off by the CBA becoming an issue.. The thought of replacements playing & taking a couple hundred dollar bath in 2011 isn't too enticing..
Why is your personal rep so bad? What exactly are they there to do? lol.
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Respond to you in a timely manner possibly? I had to call mine 3 times and e-mail them twice just to get a response. If you are going to advertise "personal ticket representative" you should follow through with some descent customer service.
My hunch is that this is an outsourced deal and the people that are the "personal ticket representatives" do not even work for the Browns. An outsourced call center sort of thing if I had to guess. If it isn't outsourced, then the ticketing department needs a shakeup.
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I have to say that my personal rep is fantastic. Any time I've had a question or comment, I often hear back from him within a couple hours, no more than a day.
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That is what I was expecting - heck, I would have been happy with a response within 24 hours. Haven't had the same luck with my rep.
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Respond to you in a timely manner possibly? I had to call mine 3 times and e-mail them twice just to get a response. If you are going to advertise "personal ticket representative" you should follow through with some descent customer service.
My hunch is that this is an outsourced deal and the people that are the "personal ticket representatives" do not even work for the Browns. An outsourced call center sort of thing if I had to guess. If it isn't outsourced, then the ticketing department needs a shakeup.
They work there. Mine is listed as working as some sort of supervisor in the ticket office.
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Well, then mine either doesn't do their job very well or they have way to many responsibilities other than being a "personal ticket rep".
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Season seats are now available in the Family Zone.. Do not buy them if you like a beer during the game, lol.. 
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Holders!
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