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Whats even more interesting is that knowing Rodges could be suspended for a few games they didn't bring in any DL except the rookie 6th rounder..
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It seems obvious to me they had no interest in upgrading the DL to any extent this year looking at the draft and FA signings to this point. They seem to be looking at each unit and improving the weakest unit in the chain.
This year that was the secondary. Rogers is IMO the best DL player we have. Of course on here and other message boards, people speculate what they think or feel might happen. I mean that's half the fun of it.
But when we do that, often times we end up being wrong. We've all had our share of that.
I believe those who speculated we would trade Rogers were simply wrong. I believe the draft and the way we drafted makes that abundantly clear.
So they could either own up to it, or try to cover their ace by coming up with some wild scenario to avoid admiting it. As we have just seen IMO
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I think the gun possession did hamper their hidden attempt to try and deal him.
I do think they were considering it..but once it happened it derailed everything..
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You could be right Attack. However, if that were the case, I believe they would have planned to draft DL somewhere in the top three rounds. Maybe they would have used the pick they got for him to address that. I do believe it's obvious after the fact that they planned to address the secondary with this draft. To me, if that's your startegy, it would be silly to try to rid yourself of your best DL player while doing this. I also feel if they had any intention of doing it next off-season, they would have addressed the DL in rounds four or five to bring someone along to try to take his place next year. Which they didn't. I have simply seen no evidence other than pure speculation that suggests they had any intention of trading Rogers before, during or after the draft. Not that I would expect them to leave a smoking gun lying around. 
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You could be right Attack.
However, if that were the case, I believe they would have planned to draft DL somewhere in the top three rounds.
according to Holmgren, they did plan on drafting a DL in the 3rd round. He just went 2 picks before we ended up taking McCoy.
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Yet we moved up 12 picks to get our RB.
Point being, if they considered it as a need or a future need, I believe they would have addressed it as such. Yet they felt quite content in sitting there and waiting to see how it all panned out and what did or did not fall into their laps.
Just a general question here;
Does anybody have anything of substance that can be shown that would lead us to any realistic conclusion they were shopping Rogers?
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I don't think they were or are shopping Rogers. Just bringing up a point we know.
and I do wish we would have taken a DL earlier. even with Rogers (I actually think our depth at DL is okay, it's just we seem to be very old there outside Rubin).
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I agree with you there. I do believe the DL will be addressed. But from what we've seen so far, I'm inclined to think we will re-build unit by unit. This year was the secondary and at RB with a flyer on a somewhat promising QB.
I just try to remember they can't do it all in one year. I could see DL, RT and the OL in general being some things they will be adressing in no particular order.
I mean I believe they can see what needs done, but so much needs done they need time to address it all.
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I think that they like some of the young guys on the DL. Guys like Rubin, Schaefering, (who they seem to like from what I have heard) and maybe Geathers and/or Adams could give them the start of a young group to come in once guys like Smith and Coleman are done. Hell, even Moseley is only 27 or so. Next year they might look at a DL higher in the draft, knowing that they have some guys who can start, and some other who could be quality depth, already on the team.
I would also think that our style of defense doesn't need the 1st round pick type DE. We need the "hold your responsibility" type more than get out and wreak havoc types. Those guys can be found outside of the 1st round.
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The word for the 3-4 D-Line is "Containment". If they can occupy the O-Line's time the other 8 guys get to fly around and hurt people. Granted there are schemes where the ends do rush the passer but, that's not their main duty.
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Yet we moved up 12 picks to get our RB.
Point being, if they considered it as a need or a future need, I believe they would have addressed it as such. Yet they felt quite content in sitting there and waiting to see how it all panned out and what did or did not fall into their laps.
Just a general question here;
Does anybody have anything of substance that can be shown that would lead us to any realistic conclusion they were shopping Rogers?
I am not going to weigh in on the possibilities of rogers being traded, but I don't think not drafting a DL would preclude us from doing so.
I think it simply came down to draft board. Who was available when we picked.
The Hardesty deal indicates to me we had Hardesty way up the board, so when he was still around in the 3rd we felt we had to take the bargain and ship a couple of lower picks....for all we know the guy had a low 1st round/high 2nd round grade on our board.
When you are milling over players slotted around 110 and then see a guy you have ranked in the high 30's still around, you make a move no matter what position he plays.
To me, that is the only explanation for the Hardesty pick.
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I do believe the DL will be addressed. But from what we've seen so far, I'm inclined to think we will re-build unit by unit. This year was the secondary and at RB with a flyer on a somewhat promising QB.
That's exactly what we're doing...And I like it...
Didn't expect RB to be one of the units this year...But we obviously loved Hardesty...No prob's with a 1-2 punch of Hardy-Harr...
DL will be way up on the priority list next draft...I also see us weeding through the plethora of LB's we have this year...Who rises up as long termers...Who stinks up the joint...
At WR we need a VET presence who's NOT 30+ years old...
We could not go into this season with only Brown added to the secondary...Nothing would change if we did...Now Ryan can open up his D more...This is gonna be the single most intriguing thing to watch this year...How much more aggressive will he be now that he has some semblence of a Secondary...And how much will this help the offense...
If we can get those 3rd down conversions DOWN significantly...It will keep us in games...
Only thing that PO's me is the conflicting schedule we have with Cincy...We're only on Local TWC 7 times...So much for the DVR...
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The Hardesty deal indicates to me we had Hardesty way up the board, so when he was still around in the 3rd we felt we had to take the bargain and ship a couple of lower picks....for all we know the guy had a low 1st round/high 2nd round grade on our board.
I think we Traded back up into the 2nd for Hardesty. But yeah, they must have had him rated very high.
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Yet we moved up 12 picks to get our RB.
They felt it was a bigger need..same thing with safety...had the Dline been the bigger need they probably would have done the same thing.
It really doesn't matter if they wanted to deal Rodgers or not,they aren't going to let it leak out ..dude's ego is too fragile.
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Yet we moved up 12 picks to get our RB.
They felt it was a bigger need..same thing with safety...had the Dline been the bigger need they probably would have done the same thing.
It really doesn't matter if they wanted to deal Rodgers or not,they aren't going to let it leak out ..dude's ego is too fragile.
I doubt that they saw RB as a bigger need...
What they saw was a RB they had rated higher than where we traded up to and went with it as a Value Pick...They obviously wanted Hardesty bad...
Would they have done the same for a DL they had rated higher than where he fell???...Yep...They didn't have one though...
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mixed in with your post was a gem. 
let this nickname stand. much more unique and clever than a thunder/lightning nomenclature.
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I agree with your post in its entirety DnD. Guess maybe we'll have to meet somewhere and watch a game or two huh?
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j/c I guess what I am saying is this, if they had plans to trade Rogers, they would have addressed the DL at some early point in the draft. Even if someone had just dropped slightly if they considered it a priority, which I disagree with the poster who said that even trading Rogers wouldn't mean we would have addressed DL early. I believe it would have. I do believe that saw Hardesty as a "super value" to make such a move. But without Rogers I believe it would have forced their hand to addressing DL. By keeping him, it allowed them to put multiple investments in the secondary. Keeping him allowed them to execute their draft strategy in its entirety. As has already been stated, which I agree with, if our DL can contain, the other eight can open the playbook up with a quality secondary. This is the precise reason I feel the secondary was priority one. Plus, IMO, by having Rogers at DE rather than NT, it opens you up the the option of attacking the opposing backfield with your DL. And as I've stated, I have not seen anything that would even suggest that trading Rogers was being considered other than pure speculation. Which is fun to do, but doesn't make it any more credable IMO
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I think if they were planning on trading Rogers they'd have taken Terrence Cody in the 2nd then traded back in to get Ward.
They were planning on taking Johnny Random from KY in the third, though...
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I believe no matter who builds a draft board, need is combined with value. They were waiting on Random to drop to them for a reason. That reason IMO was his value. If you combined need into the equasion, they may have moved up to get him.
To me, early in a draft......Need+Value=Pick
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Corey Peters. DT - Kentucky. Good pick up for Atlanta.
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