Guns are for people who don't have the emotional fortitude to look someone (or something) in the eye and strangle them to death, slowly watching their soul leave their body. If you're going to kill, do it the hard way.
Quote: Guns are for people who don't have the emotional fortitude to look someone (or something) in the eye and strangle them to death, slowly watching their soul leave their body. If you're going to kill, do it the hard way.
Well, that's one way of looking at it I suppose.. Your name on here seems appropriate...
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Quote: Guns are for people who don't have the emotional fortitude to look someone (or something) in the eye and strangle them to death, slowly watching their soul leave their body. If you're going to kill, do it the hard way.
No, that's the easy part.
The hard part is catching whatever it is and maintaining that hold without getting yourself killed or maimed in the process.
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The ONLY way you have any kind of logical argument for one is if what you're talking about isn't actually an assault weapon. Many people aren't aware of this but just because a gun looks like an assault rifle doesn't make it so. A semi automatic AR-15, for example, is way overkill in my opinion, but if you really need to get your rocks off then by all means buy one. Its not actually an assault weapon because it does not have selective fire with the ability to go fully automatic. People tend to lump them in the same category, especially when its talked about as a political issue, but they are NOT the same thing.
Glad you clarified that. I get tired of - especially on the news - people saying/thinking a semi auto is an "assault"rifle.
I have an SKS. It is not, nor will it ever be as long as I own it - capable of full auto fire. It looks mean. And, as all guns are, it can be mean. It is not an assault rifle. (for those that don't know, an SKS is a knock off of the AK-47, they are also known as Kalishnakov rifles, and many other names).
I"m going to try to find a video I have watched many times - might be interesting for people to watch.
I grew up with them. It wasn't even a issue ever in my house. My family has a extremely long history of military service (confirmed dating back early than the civil war, we were here for the revolution but haven't confirmed any soldiers yet).
Been hunting for pretty much my whole life. Rabbits, squirrel, deer, turkey, etc.. With my step-dad and uncles and scores of friends. I travel every year from South Florida and leave my 80 degree temperatures to brave the 10 degree temps to go hunting with my dad and friends. It's a thing that we've always done, and God willing, always will.
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Now - it's apparently an old video - just look at the guy.
But the cartridges haven't changed.
I will say, the 7.62 round is strong - and with a full jacket, it penetrates, no doubt.
The thing is, we have hunting rounds that are stronger/more powerful. Yes, a semi auto can fire off 30 rounds quicker, no doubt. But in all honesty, I've seen magazines for a 12 gauge shotgun that hold 100 rounds.
Anyway - semi auto rifles are not bad, nor are they illegal.
Quote: Guns are for people who don't have the emotional fortitude to look someone (or something) in the eye and strangle them to death, slowly watching their soul leave their body. If you're going to kill, do it the hard way.
The image of you or anyone else snatching up a coon and trying to choke it to death would be worth a few bucks to watch . Try it and then have someone post on here how that worked out for ya .
As a kid my dad and almost all of our relatives were hunters. This was well before the blizzard of 1978. At that time, quail were very abundant and IMO one of the hardest small game targets to hunt.
We also as a group used to go to "turkey shoots" which are far more rare these days. I won't explain all the in's and out's of what a turkey shoot is, but I will say you don't shoot turkeys there.
They also used to make small friendly wagers on target shooting with pistols. I would always go watch them as a child and joined in at about the age of 13.
So guns were always a family tradition in our family. My family is from the south. During and after the depression hunting to some of them was a necessity and they were damn good at it.
What keeps you interested?
As of now it's more about home security than anything else. More crime with less police makes it more needed than ever for one to have the ability to protect their home and family if need be than ever before IMO.
I've always believed that if a criminal saw your vehicle in your driveway, he knows you are home. If he's willing to come in anyway, he's willing to do whatever it takes. Along with a motto my uncle has always had that I find very accurate.
"It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
I'm at a juncture in my life that I really can't do the walking involved to hunt much anymore, but still think it's a great sport as long as you are willing to eat what you kill or make sure somebody will.
Some people consider it cruel but I highly doubt these same people understand how meat processing plants operate either.
jmho
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Quote: Guns are for people who don't have the emotional fortitude to look someone (or something) in the eye and strangle them to death, slowly watching their soul leave their body. If you're going to kill, do it the hard way.
The image of you or anyone else snatching up a coon and trying to choke it to death would be worth a few bucks to watch . Try it and then have someone post on here how that worked out for ya .
I don't have any reason to kill a raccoon. Or a person...yet. Which is kind of the point. If you really hate something enough to kill it and forever end its existence, you should be willing to use your bare hands. Otherwise, there is probably a less violent way to solve the problem.
If someone tried to harm my wife or baby, I'd be willing to fight to the death. Since I dont' have a gun, if that person does, I'll probably be the one dead. But I'd rather go that route than own something that's sole purpose is to end life. Probably its hubris, but I believe in myself enough to think I can prevent harm without using force, no matter the circumstances.
I don't have any reason to kill a raccoon. Or a person...yet. Which is kind of the point. If you really hate something enough to kill it and forever end its existence, you should be willing to use your bare hands. Otherwise, there is probably a less violent way to solve the problem.
If someone tried to harm my wife or baby, I'd be willing to fight to the death. Since I dont' have a gun, if that person does, I'll probably be the one dead. But I'd rather go that route than own something that's sole purpose is to end life. Probably its hubris, but I believe in myself enough to think I can prevent harm without using force, no matter the circumstances.
Now you sound like you think we pull our guns every time there's trouble. Which is far from true. I've trained to fight hand to hand first and use my firearm as a last resort. No one wants to kill someone for the sake of killing them.
Now enter my house at night, I'm not waiting to find out if you have a gun before I draw mine, but I'm not firing unless you give me sufficient reason to either.
Don't mistake gun owners with gang bangers, we don't shoot to watch people die, we shoot to protect ourselves and our families.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Now you sound like you think we pull our guns every time there's trouble. Which is far from true. I've trained to fight hand to hand first and use my firearm as a last resort. No one wants to kill someone for the sake of killing them.
Now enter my house at night, I'm not waiting to find out if you have a gun before I draw mine, but I'm not firing unless you give me sufficient reason to either.
Don't mistake gun owners with gang bangers, we don't shoot to watch people die, we shoot to protect ourselves and our families.
I don't think that at all about you or most people with guns, I really don't. Lots of people do, however, like to kill animals just for the sake of killing them, which I understand as a sport I guess, but I just don't get how taking a life, any life, is fun.
And honestly, that's what gangbangers are. It's sport at that point. It's a screwed up culture, but it's not that far from hunting deer, to be honest. I my humble opinion.
Quote: If you really hate something enough to kill it and forever end its existence, you should be willing to use your bare hands.
I would call that an idealist pile of crap.
For one, the situations in which a gun owner would likely end up finding themselves using deadly force has absolutely NOTHING to do with hate. It is about self preservation.... and the b.s. about being willing to use your bare hands is pure stupidity. Hey, if you want to needlessly put yourself in a position of harm on some misplaced ideal, that's your choice... some of us aren't that stupid.
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Quote: How did YOU get into firearms? What keeps you interested?
clem...I was raised with guns...
Dad was an outdoorsman, NRA member, collector of guns, bought and sold guns and we had our own outdoor shooting range. I learned gun safety and how to shoot at a young age and was taught to respect a gun's capability to kill.
By the age of 25 or so...my enthusiasm for guns and my interest in hunting small game began to fade. I loved being in the outdoors but needed something more challenging, so I took up archery with a goal of taking a deer with bow and arrow.
First I had to learn to shoot a bow and arrow accurately enough to make a clean kill...then I had to be able to put myself in a position to see and hopefully get a shot at my target. Sounds easy enough..right?....WRONG!
I challenged myself further by limiting my goal to taking just bucks...and now, not just any buck or the first buck to come by...but a big/dominate buck.
For me, the challenges/rewards of archery/bowhunting have by far, exceeded anything I have experienced with a gun or hunting with a gun.
I still have my guns but rarely shoot them and to be honest, I am more accurate with my bow out to 40 yds than I ever was with a pistol.
Clem...so to answer your questions...
1. How did YOU get into firearms?....like you, I was raised with guns
2. What keeps you interested?....My interest in guns faded and was replaced with something better (for me), archery/bowhunting.
Well one day we were shooting at some food, and up from the ground came a bubbling crude! Oil, that is...
Seriously, though, hunting has been a part of my family since way before I was born. It's a part of who I am, and I enjoy shooting non living targets as well. Simply, I own guns because I can and want to. I own several rifles, shotguns, and a handgun. I'm always on the lookout for a good deal on a new gun.
I have no problem with those who don't own guns (that's their right), but I do have a problem when they try to tell me I shouldn't (which is my right).
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You might want to reconsider the .380. I've seen test videos of .380s not penetrating multiple layers of clothing from an angle...then again it was good enough for James Bond.
I'm seriously looking at a Beretta PX4 sub compact...9mm so I can shoot the same ammo in all of my handguns.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Quote: You might want to reconsider the .380. I've seen test videos of .380s not penetrating multiple layers of clothing from an angle...then again it was good enough for James Bond.
It's a case of something is better than nothing. There are times I just can't carry my Sig 9mm with me when in shorts and a T-shirt, where a .380 would fit inconspicuously in the pocket of cargo shorts.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Yeah, I guess down there people aren't wearing multiple layers of clothing. You can get a nice small 9, I have a Taurus PT911 that fits nicely in a pocket holster (with cargo shorts). It holds 12+1 rounds. I'm not sure if Sig makes a sub compact or not.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
They make a P239 which comes in 9Mm .357 and .40. It's a subcompact, but I have yet to find one at a dealer to wrap my fingers around it to see how it feels.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Quote: If you really hate something enough to kill it and forever end its existence, you should be willing to use your bare hands.
I would call that an idealist pile of crap.
For one, the situations in which a gun owner would likely end up finding themselves using deadly force has absolutely NOTHING to do with hate. It is about self preservation.... and the b.s. about being willing to use your bare hands is pure stupidity. Hey, if you want to needlessly put yourself in a position of harm on some misplaced ideal, that's your choice... some of us aren't that stupid.
Well, it's kept me and millions like me out of harm, stupid as we are, except none of us end up killing ourselves or our kids accidentally with our guns.
My idealist pile of crap is working great for me, thank you very much. Just like your machismo insecuriority complex pile of crap is working great for you.
Well, it's kept me and millions like me out of harm, stupid as we are, except none of us end up killing ourselves or our kids accidentally with our guns.
My idealist pile of crap is working great for me, thank you very much. Just like your machismo insecuriority complex pile of crap is working great for you.
it didn't work for these folks:
Quote: GREENACRES — They stormed the convenience store with guns drawn, draped in hoodies and ski masks. One went straight for the back where a clerk was at work. Another stood in the doorway, his AK-47 trained on the employee behind the register.
The pair worked fast. It was clear they had a plan. In 55 seconds they were gone, but before they left they executed both clerks, with no apparent doubt or hesitation.
Investigators said the unfolding of Friday night's robbery and double homicide at a Circle K in Greenacres, revealed in surveillance camera footage partially released today by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, indicates both clerks were executed without provocation.
As far as detectives can tell, they had not resisted, disobeyed or challenged their masked attackers.
"The public should be outraged," said Sheriff's Sgt. Rick McAfee, adding that the clerks, Ralston Muller, 39, and Michael Dean Bennett, 48, were "gunned down in cold blood."
McAfee said that during the robbery the store's silent panic alarm was triggered, evidently by one of the clerks. But there was no indication that the robbers were aware of that fact.
"These guys did everything that was demanded of them," he said. "There's no reason why these guys should have been shot."
The two clerks have been recalled as friendly, hard working employees.
Bennett had just moved to Palm Beach County from out of state and lived in Riviera Beach. Muller, who lived in Greenacres, worked several jobs and was known to hug one customer to cheer her up, regular customers said.
"He was more than just a guy who worked at Circle K," said Angela Carter, who was weeping when she brought flowers to a memorial outside the store this morning . Carter said she stopped in for coffee at the Circle K regularly and had befriended Muller.
She and others have placed flowers, notes, balloons and stuffed bears beside a cross bearing the names Ralston and Mike on the perimeter of the convenience store at 10th Avenue North and South 57th Avenue.
The store's windows are boarded up with plywood, and the parking lot is roped off with yellow crime-scene tape.
The brutal double killing happened about 11:30 p.m. Friday, just hours before a separate violent robbery spree that started with the shooting of a Boynton Beach gas station clerk, continued with the robbery of a Jupiter gas station and culminated in a heist on a Stuart gas station that ended in a shootout with a police officer.
But McAfee said this afternoon that detectives have ruled out the possibility that that string of heists - in which four people have been arrested - is connected to the slayings at the Circle K, located at 5730 10th Ave. North.
Officials point out that the Circle K killers appear to be white or white Hispanic, while all four suspects in the other string of robberies are black. The Circle K killers also operated with an AK-47 rifle and used efficient, seemingly well-planned takeover tactics, while the other robberies were more disorganized.
Investigators could offer no possible motive for the killing of both clerks other than to eliminate them as potential witnesses.
The panic alarm evidently pressed by one of the clerks summoned Greenacres police, McAfee said. But by the time they arrived the killers were gone.
They say they are pursuing several solid leads and are comparing the robbery to other unsolved heists in South Florida.
"These guys seemed extremely methodical," McAfee said. "They knew exactly what they were doing."
Well, it's kept me and millions like me out of harm, stupid as we are, except none of us end up killing ourselves or our kids accidentally with our guns.
There are millions upon millions of people in this country that have guns and haven't killed anyone.
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My idealist pile of crap is working great for me, thank you very much. Just like your machismo insecuriority complex pile of crap is working great for you.
Glad your method is working for you. Oh, it's not an "insecuriority complex". It's a "if some person is looking to harm me or my family, I want every advantage I can have".
Having a gun gives me the opportunity to: flee, if I'm out in public. Fight, hand to hand, if I'm out in public. Or, if the guy is armed with a knife - I can shoot. And if he's armed with a gun, I can shoot. I can also remain calm, for a typical "give me your money" mugging - just as you can.
You do understand the legal gun carriers are probably more aware of the laws regarding gun use than non gun owners, right? Carrying, or even having a gun, does not mean you can just pull it out whenever, right?
As I was recently told - "if you pull your concealed handgun - you are shooting it". In other words, you don't pull it to try to stave off something - you pull it because the other person gave you no choice."
The only " guns" I have are these pythons hanging from my shoulders Ok just kidding, I didi have a great workout today so now I am walking around feeling like Hulk Hogan LOL
OK seriously, I have a few guns. Some for hunting,some for home protection,one because its something I shouldnt have and my wife hates it.
KING
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Quote: My idealist pile of crap is working great for me, thank you very much.
And it always will work for you.........................until it doesn't.
Let me ask you a question. Do you have a wife or children depending on you to protect them? If so, you might wish to consider their protection more than your own. I mean, if you're willing to give your life for your principals, are you willing to give up theirs for those principals?
Because that's the risk you are taking.
I've never shot anyone. Never even had to point a gun at anyone. Hopefully I never will have to.
Point being, I always hope for the best but prepare for the worst cause you never know. Where I live there are children here that depend on me for their protection. I hope it never comes down to it, but if it ever does, I will protect them by whatever means is necassary. It has nothing to do with being macho. It's a question of survival at that juncture, their survival.
jmho
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AH hell with it, I dont care of anyone knows,its not like ATF is going to storm my house for my one little sawed off.
But for the record it is a sawed off pistol grip 20g. Break down barrel,single shot. I think my wife thought it looked like something from a gang member because whoever had it before me wrapped a bandana around the pistol grip to soften the rattle on it.
KING
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Quote: "It is better to have and not need, than it is to need and not have."
remember, he is the guy who will kill people with his bare hands.
For normal guys like me, I'll just shoot them with the 12 gauge or 9mm, depending if I am downstairs or upstairs.
I'll leave the hand to hand for Rambo. I like my chances better.
What rambo doesn't realize is gun owners don't look for fights. But when the fight breaks into their home - gun owners look to end it before it starts.
If he's man enough to use his bare hands on a knife or gun wielding attacker - good for him.
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Ok just kidding, I didi have a great workout today so now I am walking around feeling like Hulk Hogan LOL