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now, if GB would just trade AJ Hawk there too.


http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5177715

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In a swap of former first-round picks who didn't live up to expectations, the Dallas Cowboys traded linebacker Bobby Carpenter to the St. Louis Rams for tackle Alex Barron on Monday.

Carpenter, the 18th pick of the 2006 draft for the Cowboys, never settled in at inside linebacker in the 3-4 scheme and seemed more suited to play the outside linebacker position in a 4-3 alignment.

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I remember fans complaining when the Browns passed on Carpenter with the 12th pick in the 06 draft.

Hawk, Carpenter, and Schlegel were considered some of the best LB ever at Ohio State. Hard to believe two of them are busts and one is out of the NFL.

Without researching, off the top of my head -- haven't most OSU linebackers in recent history turned into flops/near-flops?

I don't watch the Rams, but it sounds like Laurinaitis is doing alright there ... other than that...

Hawk, Carpenter, Gholston ... all big disappointments.

Don't forget Katzenmoyer.

Vrabel turned out alright though, if you ignore the fact he's a dirty cheap shot artist anyway. Though he played on the defensive line at OSU and converted to LB in the NFL so he might not count

Most Ohio St. guys are always overrated... and dont do too much when they get into the league..

Who was the last OSU guy who really lived up to the hype? Nick Mangold and Eddie George are the first ones to come to mind, but you're right there haven't been too many.

I don't know why.. but it seems to me that coming from a football program with so much tradition, and so much pride.. just seems like guys from the type of program "The" OSU has would be a little bit more NFL ready, and make the transition with no problem.

Kind of like guys from USC. A guy comes from a winning program, contributes, dominates, but once they enter the league.. they don't take over the league as expected..

You can say that about most college programs, the harder thing would be to come up with more than 2 or 3 college programs that consistently put guys into the NFL that play at a high level.

I know we might want to forget, but don't forget LeCharles Bentley. He was among the best OC in the NFL prior to us signing him.



also, Malcolm Jenkins had a nice year and picked up a ring.

He and Tracy Porter went back and forth on starting, but Jenkins had a good game against the Colts (and he started that game)

and with Will Smith also a starter, that made 2 Bucks starting on the defense for the SuperBowl champions.



also, ESPN is currently doing a top16 NFL pipeline tournament on their site. currently, Ohio State is taking on Tennessee with the writer picking the Bucks as the 1st round champion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5168416

COMMON GUYS...REALLY.....Ohio State has sent alot of good players into the NFL, just like every other college program, we've had our share of duds but we've also had our share of good players, Hawk may not be all pro or HOF material, but if you watch the Packers or listen to packer fans, there glad they got Hawk in the middle, he's soild, not Urlacker but solid.

not every player from OSU is gonna be all pro HOF bound, but we've done very well

Get with the program Clay.. if you're drafted in the first round (especially the first half of the first round) and you don't turn into Ray Lewis or Peyton Manning you are a bust.. c'mon, that's just how things go.

Good call, can't really argue that any of those guys didn't have solid careers.

But that really isn't very many players for such a high profile program. That list dates back to players from as far back as Joey Galloway who was drafted in what, 1995? Maybe other programs have similar results, I don't know, but it sure seems like we have a pretty bad stick to wash out ratio for such a big time program.

It would be interesting to know how we compare to USC, Florida, Texas, etc. We're supposed to be an elite school for football talent, but are we really? I'm not including mid round guys or guys from small schools. The cream of the crop teams are a group we're supposed to be a part of, so lets talk cream of the crop players. I don't think our record is really that good in comparison but maybe it is, does anyone follow college ball enough to have that knowledge?

Yeah, that was off the top of my head, I'm sure somewhere there's an easy way to see what players each college has sent to the NFL historically. That's the only way to really get a grasp on the answer.

Maybe set up some sort of criteria for success - 1 point for each draftee, then another point for every year, 5 points bonus for HOF, something like that. Sounds kind of intriguing to tell you the truth, too bad I work so much...

Here is a list of players from the NFL who played at Ohio St.

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=Ohio+State+University

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Players who attended a college but then transferred may not show up for that college. In most cases the college last attended will be used. Some colleges have changed their name over the years. Different names for the same college may be listed separately.

Adamle, Tony (1947 - 1954)
Adams, Doug (1971 - 1974)
Allen, Will (2004 - 2008)
Anderson, Dick (1967 - 1967)
Anderson, Tim (1975 - 1976)
Anderson, Tim (2004 - 2007)
Andrako, Steve (1940 - 1940)
Bailey, Rodney (2001 - 2007)
Barrington, Tom (1966 - 1970)
Bartholomew, Brent (1999 - 2000)
Barton, Kirk (2008 - 2008)
Baschnagel, Brian (1976 - 1984)
Bell, Todd (1981 - 1989)
Bellisari, Greg (1997 - 1998)
Bentley, LeCharles (2002 - 2005)
Berry, Gary (2000 - 2000)
Bettridge, John (1937 - 1937)
Bliss, Harry (1921 - 1921)
Bobo, Hubert (1960 - 1962)
Borton, Johnny (1957 - 1957)
Boston, David (1999 - 2005)
Bradshaw, Morris (1974 - 1982)
Brigham, Hi (1920 - 1920)
Brockington, John (1971 - 1977)
Brown, Aaron (1978 - 1987)
Brown, Joe (2001 - 2001)
Brubaker, Dick (1955 - 1960)
Brudzinski, Bob (1977 - 1989)
Brumbaugh, Carl (1930 - 1938)
Bruney, Fred (1953 - 1962)
Bryant, Chuck (1962 - 1962)
Bullard, Courtland (2002 - 2003)
Busich, Sam (1936 - 1943)
By'not'e, Butler (1994 - 1995)
Byars, Keith (1986 - 1998)
Campanella, Joe (1952 - 1957)
Cannavino, Joe (1960 - 1962)
Carpenter, Bobby (2006 - 2008)
Carter, Cris (1987 - 2002)
Carter, Drew (2005 - 2007)
Cassady, Craig (1977 - 1977)
Cassady, Howard (1956 - 1963)
Cheroke, George (1946 - 1946)
Childress, Brandon (2005 - 2006)
Clair, Frank (1941 - 1941)
Clark, Algy (1930 - 1934)
Clark, Vinnie (1991 - 1996)
Clarke, Adrien (2005 - 2007)
Clements, Nate (2001 - 2008)
Cline, Ollie (1948 - 1953)
Colzie, Neal (1975 - 1983)
Combs, Derek (2002 - 2003)
Conlin, Ray (1987 - 1987)
Cope, Jim (1976 - 1976)
Cothran, Jeff (1994 - 1996)
Cousineau, Tom (1982 - 1987)
Cumiskey, Frank (1937 - 1937)
Cunningham, Cookie (1926 - 1931)
Curcillo, Tony (1953 - 1953)
Current, Mike (1967 - 1979)
Cusick, Pete (1975 - 1975)
Daniell, Jim (1945 - 1946)
Daniels, Le shun (1997 - 1997)
Davidson, Jeff (1990 - 1992)
Davis, Glenn (1960 - 1961)
Davis, Paul (1947 - 1948)
Dean, Hal (1947 - 1949)
Degraffenreid, Allen (1993 - 1993)
DeLeone, Tom (1972 - 1984)
Dellerba, Spiro (1947 - 1949)
Di pierro, Ray (1950 - 1951)
Diggs, Na'il (2000 - 2008)
Dobeleit, Dick (1925 - 1926)
Donley, Doug (1981 - 1984)
Doss, Mike (2003 - 2008)
Doyle, Dick (1955 - 1960)
Dudley, Rickey (1996 - 2004)
Dugger, Jack (1946 - 1949)
Dulin, Gary (1986 - 1987)
Duvall, Earl (1924 - 1926)
Eby, Byron (1930 - 1930)
Elia, Bruce (1975 - 1978)
Ellis, Ray (1981 - 1987)
Everett, Tyler (2006 - 2006)
Fekete, Gene (1946 - 1946)
Ferguson, Bob (1962 - 1963)
Ferguson, Keith (1981 - 1990)
Fields, Jerry (1961 - 1962)
Finkes, Matt (1997 - 1997)
Flanagan, Dick (1948 - 1955)
Flower, Jim (1920 - 1925)
Foley, Dave (1970 - 1977)
Foster, Jerome (1983 - 1987)
Fox, Dustin (2006 - 2008)
Fox, Sam (1945 - 1945)
Fox, Tim (1976 - 1986)
France, Doug (1975 - 1983)
Francis, Dave (1963 - 1963)
Frank, John (1984 - 1988)
Fraser, Simon (2005 - 2008)
Furrey, Mike (2003 - 2008)
Galloway, Joey (1995 - 2008)
Gamble, Chris (2004 - 2008)
Gandee, Sonny (1952 - 1956)
Garnett, Winfield (2001 - 2001)
Gaudio, Bob (1947 - 1951)
Gayle, Shaun (1984 - 1995)
George, Eddie (1996 - 2004)
Germaine, Joe (1999 - 1999)
Germany, Reggie (2001 - 2001)
Gholston, Vernon (2008 - 2008)
Gillom, Horace (1947 - 1956)
Gilmore, Jim (1986 - 1987)
Ginn, Ted (2007 - 2008)
Glenn, Terry (1996 - 2007)
Goings, Nick (2001 - 2008)
Goldman, Sam (1944 - 1949)
Gonzalez, Anthony (2007 - 2008)
Gordon, Sonny (1987 - 1987)
Gorrill, Charley (1926 - 1926)
Gradishar, Randy (1974 - 1983)
Graham, Jeff (1991 - 2001)
Graham, Kent (1992 - 2001)
Graham, Scottie (1992 - 1997)
Grant, Cie (2003 - 2003)
Grant, Larry (2008 - 2008)
Graves, Rory (1988 - 1991)
Griffin, Archie (1976 - 1982)
Griffin, Ray (1978 - 1984)
Griggs, Anthony (1982 - 1988)
Groom, Andy (2005 - 2005)
Groza, Lou (1946 - 1967) HOF
Hall, Roy (2007 - 2008)
Hanson, Ray (1923 - 1923)
Harley, Chic (1921 - 1921)
Harper, Roger (1993 - 1996)
Harris, Dud (1930 - 1930)
Harris, Raymont (1994 - 2000)
Hartsock, Ben (2004 - 2008)
Hasenohrl, George (1974 - 1974)
Hawk, A.J. (2006 - 2008)
Hayden, Leo (1971 - 1973)
Henderson, Herb (1921 - 1921)
Henson, Harold (1975 - 1975)
Henson, Luther (1982 - 1984)
Hicks, John (1974 - 1977)
Higdon, Alex (1988 - 1988)
Himes, Dick (1968 - 1977)
Holland, Jamie (1987 - 1992)
Holmes, Santonio (2006 - 2008)
Honaker, Charlie (1924 - 1924)
Hopkins, Tam (2002 - 2002)
Horvath, Les (1947 - 1949)
Houser, Kevin (2000 - 2008)
Houston, Jim (1960 - 1972)
Houston, Lin (1946 - 1953)
Howard, Harry (1976 - 1976)
Howard, Ty (1997 - 2000)
Hoying, Bobby (1996 - 2000)
Huffman, Iolas (1923 - 1924)
Hutchison, Chuck (1970 - 1975)
Isabel, Wilmer (1923 - 1924)
James, Dan (1960 - 1967)
James, Tommy (1947 - 1956)
Jankowski, Bruce (1971 - 1972)
Janowicz, Vic (1954 - 1955)
Jenkins, Michael (2004 - 2008)
Jennings, Jack (1950 - 1957)
Jobko, Bill (1958 - 1966)
Johnson, Pepper (1986 - 1998)
Johnson, Pete (1977 - 1984)
Joseph, Red (1927 - 1930)
Kabealo, Mike (1944 - 1944)
Kacherski, John (1992 - 1992)
Kaplanoff, Carl (1939 - 1939)
Karch, Bob (1922 - 1923)
Karcher, Jim (1936 - 1939)
Katzenmoyer, Andy (1999 - 2000)
Keane, Tom (1948 - 1955)
Kelley, Ike (1966 - 1971)
Kelly, Rob (1997 - 2000)
Kern, Rex (1971 - 1974)
Kerner, Marlon (1995 - 1998)
Kline, Alan (1995 - 1995)
Koegel, Vic (1974 - 1974)
Kolic, Larry (1986 - 1988)
Krall, Jerry (1950 - 1950)
Krenzel, Craig (2004 - 2004)
Krerowicz, Mark (1987 - 1987)
Kriss, Howie (1931 - 1931)
Kumerow, Eric (1988 - 1990)
Kutler, Rudy (1925 - 1925)
Lachey, Jim (1985 - 1995)
Lane, Garcia (1985 - 1987)
Laughlin, Jim (1980 - 1987)
Lavelli, Dante (1946 - 1956) HOF
Leach, Scott (1987 - 1987)
LeBeau, Dick (1959 - 1972)
Lee, Byron (1986 - 1987)
Leggett, Dave (1955 - 1955)
Lininger, Ray (1950 - 1951)
Logan, Dick (1952 - 1953)
Long, Tom (1925 - 1925)
Lowdermilk, Kirk (1985 - 1996)
Lowry, Orlando (1985 - 1989)
Luke, Steve (1975 - 1980)
Mackie, Doug (1987 - 1987)
Mangold, Nick (2006 - 2008)
Manning, Wade (1979 - 1982)
Marino, Vic (1947 - 1947)
Marshall, Jim (1960 - 1979)
Martin, Jamar (2003 - 2006)
Matte, Tom (1961 - 1972)
Mayes, Rufus (1969 - 1979)
McCafferty, Don (1946 - 1946)
McClellion, Central (2001 - 2001)
Mcdonald, Jim (1938 - 1939)
Michael, Bill (1957 - 1957)
Michael, Rich (1960 - 1966)
Michaels, Al (1923 - 1926)
Middleton, Rick (1974 - 1978)
Momsen, Bob (1951 - 1952)
Monahan, Regis (1935 - 1939)
Montgomery, Joe (1999 - 2002)
Moore, Damon (1999 - 2002)
Moore, Jimmy (1981 - 1981)
Morrison, Fred (1950 - 1956)
Murphy, Rob (2002 - 2004)
Murray, Calvin (1981 - 1982)
Myers, Bob (1955 - 1955)
Myers, Cy (1922 - 1925)
Nardi, Dick (1938 - 1939)
Nemecek, Andy (1923 - 1925)
Nichols, John (1926 - 1926)
Nickey, Donnie (2003 - 2008)
Nonnemaker, Ike (1926 - 1926)
Nugent, Mike (2005 - 2008)
Olive, Bobby (1995 - 1996)
Olivea, Shane (2004 - 2007)
Orosz, Tom (1981 - 1984)
Otis, Jim (1970 - 1978)
Otterbacher, John (1926 - 1926)
Pace, Orlando (1997 - 2008)
Padan, Bob (1922 - 1922)
Padlow, Max (1935 - 1936)
Pagac, Fred (1974 - 1976)
Parker, Jim (1957 - 1967) HOF
Paul, Tito (1995 - 1999)
Peabody, Dwight (1922 - 1922)
Perini, Pete (1954 - 1955)
Perrotti, Mike (1948 - 1949)
Petcoff, Boni (1924 - 1926)
Peterson, Kenny (2003 - 2008)
Pickett, Ryan (2001 - 2008)
Pincura, Stan (1937 - 1938)
Pitcock, Quinn (2007 - 2007)
Pittman, Antonio (2007 - 2008)
Plank, Doug (1975 - 1982)
Plummer, Ahmed (2000 - 2005)
Powell, Craig (1995 - 1998)
Provost, Ted (1970 - 1971)
Rambo, Ken-yon (2001 - 2002)
Raskowski, Leo (1932 - 1935)
Ream, Chuck (1938 - 1938)
Redmond, Jimmy (2002 - 2003)
Reynolds, Robert (2004 - 2006)
Richardson, Jay (2007 - 2008)
Riehm, Chris (1986 - 1988)
Roberts, Bill (1984 - 1997)
Roman, Nick (1970 - 1974)
Rosequist, Ted (1934 - 1937)
Ross, Derek (2002 - 2004)
Rosso, George (1954 - 1954)
Rowan, Ev (1930 - 1933)
Ruzich, Steve (1952 - 1954)
Salley, Nate (2006 - 2008)
Sander, B.J. (2005 - 2005)
Sanders, Chris (1995 - 2001)
Sanders, Darnell (2002 - 2004)
Sanders, Daryl (1963 - 1966)
Sarringhaus, Paul (1946 - 1948)
Saunders, Cedric (1995 - 1995)
Schafrath, Dick (1959 - 1971)
Schell, Herb (1924 - 1924)
Schlegel, Anthony (2006 - 2007)
Schlichter, Art (1982 - 1985)
Schumacher, Kurt (1975 - 1978)
Scott, Bo (1969 - 1974)
Scott, Darrion (2004 - 2007)
Scott, Jack (1960 - 1961)
Sensenbaugher, Dean (1948 - 1949)
Sensibaugh, Mike (1971 - 1978)
Shaw, Bob (1945 - 1950)
Sims, Rob (2006 - 2008)
Skladany, Tom (1978 - 1983)
Slyker, Bill (1922 - 1922)
Smith, Dick (1933 - 1933)
Smith, Doug (1987 - 1987)
Smith, Robert (1993 - 2000)
Smith, Troy (2007 - 2008)
Smith, Will (2004 - 2008)
Snell, Matt (1964 - 1972)
Souders, Cecil (1947 - 1949)
Spellman, Alonzo (1992 - 2001)
Spencer, Tim (1985 - 1990)
Spielman, Chris (1988 - 1997)
Spiers, Bob (1922 - 1926)
Spriggs, Marcus (1999 - 2000)
Springs, Ron (1979 - 1986)
Springs, Shawn (1997 - 2008)
Stablein, Brian (1995 - 2000)
Staysniak, Joe (1991 - 1996)
Stepanovich, Alex (2004 - 2008)
Stinchcomb, Pete (1921 - 1926)
Strausbaugh, Jimmy (1946 - 1946)
Stringer, Korey (1995 - 2000)
Styles, Lorenzo (1995 - 2000)
Sualua, Nicky (1997 - 1998)
Sutherin, Don (1959 - 1960)
Tatum, Jack (1971 - 1980)
Taylor, Tarzan (1921 - 1926)
Thomas, Russ (1946 - 1949)
Tidmore, Sam (1962 - 1963)
Tomczak, Mike (1985 - 1999)
Tovar, Steve (1993 - 2000)
Tupa, Tom (1988 - 2004)
Turner, John (1920 - 1920)
Tyrer, Jim (1961 - 1974)
Uhlenhake, Jeff (1989 - 1997)
Van Horn, Doug (1966 - 1979)
Van Raaphorst, Dick (1964 - 1967)
Vogel, Bob (1963 - 1972)
Vogler, Tim (1979 - 1988)
Vrabel, Mike (1997 - 2008)
Walter, Tyson (2002 - 2006)
Ward, Chris (1978 - 1984)
Warfield, Paul (1964 - 1977) HOF
Washington, Al (1981 - 1981)
Watkins, Bobby (1955 - 1958)
Weed, Tad (1955 - 1955)
Wells, Jonathan (2002 - 2005)
Wendler, Hal (1926 - 1926)
Wetzel, Damon (1935 - 1935)
White, Bob (1960 - 1960)
White, Jan (1971 - 1972)
White, Stan (1972 - 1982)
White, William (1988 - 1998)
Whitner, Donte (2006 - 2008)
Wiley, Michael (2000 - 2002)
Wilhelm, Matt (2003 - 2008)
Wilkinson, Dan (1994 - 2006)
Williams, Gary (1984 - 1984)
Williams, Joe (1937 - 1939)
Williams, Mark (1994 - 1996)
Willis, Bill (1946 - 1953) HOF
Willis, Lenny (1976 - 1979)
Winfield, Antoine (1999 - 2008)
Wiper, Don (1922 - 1922)
Woolf, Scott (1987 - 1987)
Workman, Harry (1924 - 1932)
Workman, Vince (1989 - 1996)
Wright, Ernie (1960 - 1972)
Yerges, Howard (1920 - 1920)
Youboty, Ashton (2006 - 2008)
Young, Billy (1929 - 1929)
Zadworney, Frank (1940 - 1940)
Zarnas, Gust (1938 - 1940)


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I guess you can decide which ones were busts and which had decent careers.

I just think that OSU was about a decade or two behind the other big colleges in adapting to the faster more wide open game that translates better to the NFL... I do think they are getting there fast now but for a long time their players were bigger and slower bruisers while Florida and USC were pumping out speed guys...

Remember Oklahoma and Nebraska from a long time ago when they were clinging to the option for dear life as everybody else was abandoning it.. yea they still had some serious success at the college level but not many of their players translated well into the NFL... I think that is what OSU has suffered through (if you consider it suffering) after all, Jim Tressels job is to recruit college football players and win college football games... the only link he has to NFL success is if it impacts his ability to recruit, which thus far it appears it has not....

really? i think that is a big misconception.

the big10 as a whole might be guilty of that, but Cooper was harvesting recruits out of Florida and Texas and NJ and California for speedsters once he landed on campus in the 80s (and actually that was the #2 sticking point with fans and him behind not being able to beat Michigan).

when Tressel came in, he closed the OH-borders, but still went after the speed guys out of state to keep that element.

Joey Galloway, Nate Clementes, Cris Carter (more recently Ginn Jr., Jenkins, etc)...these are not slow as molasses guys like Wisconsin and Penn State clung to until recent years.

the most successful positions from Ohio State in the NFL have been OL, DB, WR (with some LB and DL mixed in and a couple RBs). 2 of those top positions are speed positions.

There is plenty of speed in Ohio. You just gotta find it and keep it.

Of course not Florida and Texas speed, maybe. But those states have as many kids in them as Ohio has high schools.

It's all just numbers and luck. Ted Ginn was probably the best track athlete in America his senior year of high school. Even USC recruited him.

Too much emphasis on "southern speed." All we heard in 2002 was how Miami would toast Ohio State because of their afterburners.

Do you need speed ? Of course -- the game IS fast.

That link doesn't get very specific. It says OSU has had 11 first round picks but it makes no mention of how many succeeded and how many failed. It mentioned players who played on super bowl teams but it makes no mention if they were impact players or spent the entire season on the punt coverage unit.

it also says:

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Take any chunk of time during the NFL's history, and you'll see plenty of Scarlet and Gray. Ohio State had 14 Pro Bowl selections between 1979 and '89 and 19 between 1990 and '99. Current head coach Jim Tressel has produced 11 first-round draft picks in his dominant run since 2001.

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It makes no mention of any pro bowl selections in the past decade, so are we to infer there have been none?

It does list Pace, George and Holmes specifically, so that's 3 examples of high play at the NFL level by OSU alumni, but there is no mention of anyone else.

I wonder if there is a list of All-Pro players for every season out there. I'd be interested to start there and see what the representation is like. Cavs game and work are occupying my night tonight though.

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Joey Galloway, Nate Clementes, Cris Carter (more recently Ginn Jr., Jenkins, etc)...these are not slow as molasses guys like Wisconsin and Penn State clung to until recent years.

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Florida didn't thump OSU a couple years ago because their skill position players were that much faster, they thumped them because OSU's interior linemen on both sides of the ball, and their LBs looked like they were playing in 8 inches of mud. Floridas interior linemen and LBs were running circles around OSUs guys... anybody can go find a fast WR, they are a dime a dozen.. go find a fast 290 pound defensive end... that's the challenge.