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The Big Ten Conference has extended initial offers to join the league to four universities including Missouri and Nebraska from the Big 12, according to multiple sources close to the negotiations. While nothing can be approved until the Big Ten presidents and chancellors meet the first week of June in Chicago, the league has informed the two Big 12 schools, Notre Dame and Rutgers that it would like to have them join. It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league. In order for the University of Missouri to join the Big Ten, the Missouri Board of Regents will still have to approve the move. Sources close to the governing body say the Big Ten has told officials that Mizzou could add $1.3 million per month in revenue to the lucrative Big Ten Television Network. The Big Ten Network is currently offered on basic cable to very few of over 7 million residents living in Missouri television markets and adding it throughout the state will be a windfall for the conference. Big Ten representatives have also told Missouri officials they would like to have the entire expansion process wrapped up this summer with a formal announcement coming no later than July. The University of Missouri is currently under contract with the Big 12 conference and will have to pay a stiff penalty to leave the Big 12. The Big 12 charter states any member will lose between 50 and 100 percent of its shared annual revenue depending on the length of notice any school gives. According to published reports, Missouri receives around $9 million annually in shared football revenue from the Big 12. According to sources, it seems likely Missouri would give one- year notice. It is projected that Missouri's football revenues would increase by $10 million or more per year when it joins the Big Ten versus what it currently receives in the Big 12. http://www.810whb.com/article/3527
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all 4 schools meet the criteria we have talked about before. Nebraska is the weakest academically of these four, but before we were talking about adding 1 school, when you want to go to possibly 16 team conference, the standards slightly drop.
I would have preferred Syracuse to Rutgers, but it's not surprising they are trying to tap the NJ market (not the NYC market though they will definitely try to rope that in as well.)
also, I am guessing (pure conjecture) that they offered Texas behind closed doors and were turned down. Texas academically/athletically/prestige-wise is the most obvious candidate to go after for ANY conference. However, it seems TX wants to keep it's "Longhorn Network" television money-maker and I am guessing that would be a major sticking point with the big10.
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Awesome, hope it happens. Heck....get 16 teams!
Would it still be named the Big Ten? The Big 16? The Big Mid-West? The "Big We Will Crush Your TV Networks With Our 16-Team Juggernaut Conference"?
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Notre Dame will not accept. They will wuss out as they have every other time. 
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This makes me very happy. I hope ND stops being stubborn but I doubt they will. That would be awesome if Rugters, Nebraska, and Mizzou all joined. Could we have a Big 10 east and west?
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This makes me very happy. I hope ND stops being stubborn but I doubt they will. That would be awesome if Rugters, Nebraska, and Mizzou all joined. Could we have a Big 10 east and west?
are you inferring we go to 20 schools?
if so, interesting concept so we can keep the big10 moniker
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Heh, I was thinking the same thing ... expand it to 20 schools, and they can just be the Big 10 (x2). 
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My preference is a 16 with ND and MO
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Notre Dame will not accept. They will wuss out as they have every other time.
I thought the money the Big Ten network will provide with ND in it would trump ND's private network deal. So technically, they'd be fools to pass on a bigger TV money deal to just stay independent for football.
Same goes with Mizzuo & Nebraska. They would be adding a lot more revenue than if they stayed within the Big12.
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They were talking about this on ESPN this morning and it sounded like they would like to have 16 teams. Grouping the teams into 4 divisions with 4 teams each. Sounded interesting. Here is the link http://espn.go.com/college-football/Click the video that says "a bigger big 10"
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I thought the money the Big Ten network will provide with ND in it would trump ND's private network deal. So technically, they'd be fools to pass on a bigger TV money deal to just stay independent for football.
Doesn't ND have an agreement with NBC to broadcast it's games? Unless that deal no longer exists, it would would thinkg they would be more foolish to dump that for a cable channel broadcast.
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Well, Big Ten game are still shown on regular networks too. So they'd have regular TV money + the Big Ten Network money too. Right?
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I would also think that NBC wouldn't just give up showing ND games. They have that contract for a reason.
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ND would make more $$ in the big10 now. the problem is more philosophical.
ND really prides itself on it's football independence and likes to point out how it beat Michigan which led to a boycott of games by teams in the area (and they ended up scheduling Army and pulling off a miracle. which led to them scheduling more 'national' games and becoming the school we know today).
so, it's a real issue with them to accept joining a conference for football. however, the writing is also on the wall that this might be their last chance to remain football relevant as if the pac10+big12 combine and the ACC and SEC expand (destroying the big East), then ND will be without a conference for other sports and weakened in football further.
it's a real interesting dilemma they have going on there right now.
also, these 4 only get us to 15. who's our #16 target (I'm hoping it's Syracuse)
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I don't know ... I guess it would depend on the arrangement and contract details. You would think Notre Dame would want to keep it's lucrative income from NBC, and not split it 16 ways with the rest of the conference. Likewise, I don't know that everyone else is going to want to split BTC money with Notre Dame when none of their games will be broadcasted there.
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I thought I read this morning that Big Ten officials were denying that these invites were really sent out. YET, that is. I know that these schools were the ones rumored to be sought after though.
Oh well. I say if they can't get Notre Dame then just don't do it. I could care less about getting any other school, even Nebraska, before finally getting Notre Dame.
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Ya, good points/questions. I'm sure the people in charge at Big10 headquarters know ND can leave the NBC contract and would make more money or they wouldn't bother with the invitation (if indeed ND got a formal invite).
Ya, ND is in a bit of a situation. If the B10, B12, SEC, & ACC create 4 Super Conferences by gobbling up a ton of other teams......ND would be left out and the Big East might collapse. So they may have to join eventually. It might save face if they do it now and "make it their choice" in a way.
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I would have preferred Syracuse to Rutgers, but it's not surprising they are trying to tap the NJ market (not the NYC market though they will definitely try to rope that in as well.)
Rutgers? As a fan of UConn I'm embarassed. I guess NJ is a big state, but Rutgers basketball is a joke, and their football, while decent is not that special (they did beat my Huskies, but not by much). I just don't see why they see Rutgers Athletics as this big program on the rise...........
Syracuse is due to revamp their football program. They really need to figure out how to improve that because they have a great facility and the big name draw.
I would think if Cuse joined the Big 10 it could draw a big-time coach and get the program back on track
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Notre Dame might not have a choice in the matter. If (big if) the Big 10 gets Mizz, Nebraska, Pitt, Rutgers and ND tells them no. Then the Big 10 could add syracuse instead giving them 16.
Then the SEC and Pac 10 would more than likley rob the Big 12 giving each of them 16 and the ACC would absorb the rest of the Big East giving them 16.
The four confrences would more than likley start thier own league and leave the NCAA. At that time ND would be on the outside looking in.
This is a low but possible senario. ND will have to weigh thier options carefully.
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The days of the "Major Independent" are coming to a rapid halt.
Notre Dame very well could find themselves on the outside looking in. How much do you suppose NBC will pay to televise Notre Dame vs Akron? The Service Academies? Kent State? Florida International? In college football, there are 120 teams. All except Notre Dame, Army, and Navy belong to a conference. Would a conference take Notre Dame later if it meant also having to take Army or Navy as well to "balance" the conference? Sure a minor conference team would jump at the chance to schedule a Notre Dame .... but would a "Super Conference" team? Would enough such teams do so to ensure Notre Dame enough standing to vie for a BCS Championship bid?
I don't know if the 4 "Super Confernces" would leave the NCAA ...... but they would retain scheduling power. If the Super Conferences were set up as split in 2, and then 2 again to create 4 divisions, then each team would likely play every team in its "half" every year. They could then also play 2-3 teams from the other half of the conference on a rotating basis. (similar to how the NFL schedules) If 8-10 games per year are already scheduled within confernce, that doesn't allow for a great deal of scheduling out of conference .... and probably nothing once the "conference season" gets under way. That would leave a team like Notre Dame looking at an extended slate of "meaningless" games against teams like Akron, or the Service Academies, that would do nothing to further chances of playing for a National Championship.
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you might be right, but then again, why do teams schedule ND now? I think teams would continue to schedule ND unless these 4 superconferences decided to pickup and go start their own league (which they technically can do if they so choose).
anyway, the real danger for ND is that there will be a scramble for TV deals with these new conferences and NBC may decide to go with a super-ACC over ND's next contract. then, what do they do?
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I am an anti-expansionist for a variety of reasons, mostly admittedly Ohio State bias and the stranglehold I feel Tressel will lose in recruiting. No basis in fact, just a small colonoscopy,....
This will make those mysterious cash bags in front of the lockers get really bigger.
As for the competition, the Championship Playoff Game money, and all of the other good reasons to do it, OK. There's only so many years left in this old body anyway.
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Who would replace Nebraska and Missouri in the Big 12? TCU and someone else right?
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Who would replace Nebraska and Missouri in the Big 12? TCU and someone else right?
TCU and Boise? Not big enough?
Man, it should be fun watching these super conferences canibalize each other and then move into the smaller conferences. Gonna be crazy!
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Who would replace Nebraska and Missouri in the Big 12? TCU and someone else right?
TCU and Boise? Not big enough?
Man, it should be fun watching these super conferences canibalize each other and then move into the smaller conferences. Gonna be crazy!
My thoughts....at least one set of them:
i see it still as 4 power conferences. Pac10+BigXII, Big10, ACC, SEC
1. big12 and pac10 combination league. take the best of each and create a 'power-pac10'
imagine a conference with CA and TX (along with PHX, Denver, Seattle, Portland, et cetera). talk about a moneymaker if they make a cable network.
Pac10 adding TX, A&M, OU, OkieSt, Colorado, Kansas (then the fight between Wash St, Iowa St, Tech, Baylor, and KState for who gets left behind)
2. Big10 adding ND, Mizzou, Rutgers, Nebraska, Syracuse? --- Syracuse gives the Big10 Rutgers and Syracuse and they might be able to make a serious push for NYC putting them on the cable basic tier even if most of NYC doesn't want it. that is $$$ if they get it.
*********The problem for the ACC and SEC is if those 2 things happen (which talks are ongoing), then they are left fighting for who is left. I don't think either conference will wait. I think both are trying to be pro-active now.
3. SEC would definitely want Louisville and I think West Virginia. Possibly TCU(dallas market)? Houston? Houston and TCU seem like longshots, but they would really be firing one across the bow at Texas and I think they would like taking away a huge market share in the state (since local networks likely would side with the SEC out of necessity).
Otherwise, they are stuck with the unwanteds of the other conferences and I don't think they need to go that route. USF, KState, Iowa State, Baylor, etc. They just don't fit in the SEC. Kstate the most out of those.
4. ACC - obviously UConn and Pitt. Perfect fits. They need 2 more though. Tough choices as few geographical fits remain. WV doesn't fit their academics and they likely would choose SEC anyway (same with Louisville). USF is a little better in academics, but it'd be a tough sell. Baylor and Iowa State are too far away.
You know what 2 teams they could add though that would increase their TV revenue and exposure while fitting in with their academics (though admittedly a tough sell on the 2nd with athletics).
Navy and Army to the ACC. I like it. Navy is a good fit for sure. Army is a tough one but they are at least as good as the poor other options they have.
Unless ND is willing to join the ACC and really tick off the Big10 
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TCU and Boise? Not big enough?
Man, it should be fun watching these super conferences canibalize each other and then move into the smaller conferences. Gonna be crazy!
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"This" Big Ten thing won't get near "that."
Oklahoma
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Texas
Florida
Alabama
These are teams you can count on being competitively "good" year-in-and-year-out before the season even begins, without looking at their recruiting.
Have to add some more to fill it out. Maybe Nebraska, LSU, Michigan, Penn State, Miami, Georgia, Florida State, Tennessee, "could" all be given some consideration. Didn't mean to leave anyone out,....suggestions welcome.
Notre Dame would also want a piece of such a lucrative pie.
Keep it to 12.
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all 4 schools meet the criteria we have talked about before. Nebraska is the weakest academically of these four, but before we were talking about adding 1 school, when you want to go to possibly 16 team conference, the standards slightly drop.
I would have preferred Syracuse to Rutgers, but it's not surprising they are trying to tap the NJ market (not the NYC market though they will definitely try to rope that in as well.)
also, I am guessing (pure conjecture) that they offered Texas behind closed doors and were turned down. Texas academically/athletically/prestige-wise is the most obvious candidate to go after for ANY conference. However, it seems TX wants to keep it's "Longhorn Network" television money-maker and I am guessing that would be a major sticking point with the big10.
Texas isn't going to join the Big 10.....if they move, they are a SEC team......lets keep it real here.....and that isn't SEC homerisim.....just from a travel basis it doesn't make sense, though it makes sense for the 10 to want them.
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completely disagree. if TX moves, it will be with the Pac10 merger or to go independent if they really want to mess with things. they really want to keep that TV network they have and an extra big slice of the pie like they have now.
SEC would never give it to them. plus, SEC has their TV contract for the forseeable future and it won't get bigger just because they add TX, so everyone just takes a smaller slice of that.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5181741Delany denies latest expansion rumors COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany e-mailed conference officials Tuesday to stamp out a rumor that four schools had already been offered a chance to join the league. Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith confirmed Tuesday that Delany had quashed a report that the Big Ten had offered expansion spots to Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame and Rutgers. Asked if there was anything to that speculation, Smith said, "Nothing. There's no truth to it whatsoever. Actually, Jim sent us all an e-mail telling us there's no truth to that -- which we knew. There's no extensions of offers that have been made, so that's not true." The conference is looking at expanding from its current 11 members so that it can extend the reach of its lucrative cable network and add a league championship game in football. The Big Ten athletic directors will meet May 17-19 in downtown Chicago. They will be joined by faculty representatives, senior women's administrators and the head coaches in football and men's and women's basketball. But Smith said the meetings were routine and nothing would be decided in terms of expansion. "This is our normal meetings, the ones we have every year," Smith said. "Jim will probably give us an update on what the consultant has shared, and I don't even know if the consultant report is done. He'll give us an update and then move on doing what he's been doing. I think they meet with the [university] presidents in June or something like that. So the timeline hasn't changed, but there won't be any action next week."
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According to the SI article I read yesterday it said that TX, TX A&M, OK and OKST would go to the SEC.
The Pac10 would swallow up some WAC and Big 12 teams.
The Big 10 would get Mizz, Nebraska, Pitt, Rutgers and ND*.
The ACC would swallow up 4 of the remaining Big East.
*With Pitt and Rutgers in the New Big 16 and probably Syracuse, Cincinnati, West Virgina and UConn in the ACC the Big East would die. According to the SI Article one of the road blocks for ND to join the Big 10 is they are already apart of the Big East for other sports and the Big East would pretty much have to die. But the article said if ND still says no then the Big 10 would add Syracuse instead and the ACC would then take Louiville.
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Can you imagine four super confrences??? Each Confrence has four divisions of a North, South, East and West. They would then have a mini playoff as in North Winner vs South Winner, East vs West. Winners of those games play for the Confrence Championship. Big16 champ vs Pac16 champ in the Rose, SEC champ vs ACC champ in the Sugar. Winner of those games in the National Title game. OMG that would be some exciting football. One can only dream huh!!
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completely disagree. if TX moves, it will be with the Pac10 merger or to go independent if they really want to mess with things. they really want to keep that TV network they have and an extra big slice of the pie like they have now.
SEC would never give it to them. plus, SEC has their TV contract for the forseeable future and it won't get bigger just because they add TX, so everyone just takes a smaller slice of that.
I don't see how you can completely disagree, but i agree the Pac 10 would be a option for Texas.
SI had a good article on this a couple of weeks ago....sort of laid out the possibilities...one had the SEC taking Tx, Tx A&M, Ok., and Ok St.
That might happen if the Big 10 goes to 16 teams.
Goos article....i may try to find it and post it.
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ACC would never take Cinci and West Virginia. ACC prides itself on academics and those 2 schools are tier3. not a chance.
then, as I mentioned, the SEC pie doesn't get any bigger just because they add schools like TX and OU (they are locked into a huge deal with CBS and ESPN). so, all the schools presently in would have to agree to take a pay-cut. and TX would have to agree to give up their network and added priviliges.
if a ton of things fall right, that might happen because the SEC does have quite a bit of pull and power and might be able to swing something. but, it is not very likely at all.
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All this talk of pride and academics will go out the window for $$$$. Adding the four schools I named would make the ACC a very good Basketball conference. There wouldn't be many other schools available that makes sense geographically. And I was just quoting the article I read, so obviously someone out there feels it is possible.
Also, do you know the SEC TV deal inside and out??? Are you sure there isn't a clause for more money or renegotiation if the league expands?? Just saying.
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I can't speak for Cinci, but West Virginia is a fine fit for the ACC if academics really means anything.
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Adding the viewers in the state of Texas doesn't grow the pie?? You're kidding, right?
It also helps the SEC net just as the Big 10 net is helped by it's viewer base.
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Adding the viewers in the state of Texas doesn't grow the pie?? You're kidding, right?
It also helps the SEC net just as the Big 10 net is helped by it's viewer base.
the SEC net, yes that it would help. But, from the negotiations, I haven't read anything about an 'out' clause on expansion or anything other than the deal was for the conference for $X for Xyears.
ESPN and CBS would love if the SEC added those schools. but, would they tear up the contract to do it? that's the huge question here.
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All this talk of pride and academics will go out the window for $$$$. Adding the four schools I named would make the ACC a very good Basketball conference. There wouldn't be many other schools available that makes sense geographically. And I was just quoting the article I read, so obviously someone out there feels it is possible.
you went off a sportswriter who was considering sports. yes, athletically, it makes sense (though the ACC is already a pretty 'decent' basketball conference).
university presidents will consider academics. they will consider $$$ and might take a small step away to get more, but not a huge one.
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here's a reply I got from Andy Staples when he wrote the following article for SI (i mentioned how KState wouldn't fit into Big10's academic profile): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/02/16/conference-realignment/index.htmlQuote:
If they were willing to go along with my scheme, I don't think they'd be worrying about which schools are members of the Association of American Universities. But back in the real world, I think you're absolutely correct that academic reputation will play a major role in any conference realignment. That's what makes Texas so attractive. It's a cash cow with a decent academic rep.
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I totally disagree with that specific article. That is so far-fetched, it's not even funny. The gap in college football is closing as far as mid-majors, and the elite programs. All this does is create a club of 64, that might not be the best 64 programs. No Boise, Byu, UTah, or CIncy???
A playoff system will solve all the problems. I would be fine with an 8 team, or 16 team field.
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