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found it interesting that all the books out there have either boston -1 or they have the game as a pk. that interests the hell out of me.

vegas' job is not to determine the score of the game, their sole purpose is to get equal action on both sides.

equal action + juice = profits for the book

so my thing is, who in the hell is still believing in the cavs? we as cavs fans? sure, some of us still believe they can win that game, but outside of those people? who on earth still thinks cle +1 is a good bet?

you could say, well the cavs are a public favorite, but so are the celtics!

and like i have said before, any time you are wagering and soemthing seems like easy money, it almost always is the complete opposite.

My only remaining hope is that LBJ typically returns very strong after a game where his play is questioned. Think game 3. Maybe this is what Vegas is anticipating too.

Or they are looking for a bunch of Clevaland sucker bets

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lopez and harris are good solid players, but people are fooling themselves if they think that's gonna be enticing to lbj.

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Im not saying he is going there, and I do not think he is leaving but its a better situation that you think if he truly wanted to leave.

Lopez and Harris are better and younger than any bigman/guard combo on the Cavs right now and LeBron would only make them better.

Just to throw it out there, If LeBron leaves would the Cavs have the money to offer a Max deal to say D Wade?

I would assume if they have the money ready for James, they would have money for someone else.


But this wouldn't be a good place.....who wants to come in and be James' replacement??

My gawd, today is so depressing. Not only do I have the lingering sadness from last night of watching Lebron mail in what could possibly be his last home game as a Cav. (Honestly, Youtube "Patrick Roy last game Canadian" ... and check the similarities) ... but I also have to deal with obnoxious Laker fans and their sheer masterbatory joy this morning. I couldn't even listen to any of the sports talk shows today.

Anyone listen to Rome today? I can just imagine some sort of letter like: "Dear Jim, What was that from Lebron last night? That's no way to leave a lasting memory before ditching an entire loyal fanbase ... signed, Brett Farve."

I always pay attention to the late money. Usually if you're getting heavy action on a team late, it's pretty good to jump on that bet.

J/C..

Today feels like a funeral.. I need to find new hobbies..

Anyone listen to Windy this morning on Rizzo's show?

Windy is NOT holding back.. As usual, couldn't agree more with Windy.. Here were some of his quotes..

"LeBron is a moody person. He is stuck in a bad mood, he is playing in a depressed state." – Windhorst

"Ultimately, LeBron is going out of this series with a whimper - it's something we've never seen before."

"LeBron is facing the first ligitimate tarnishing of his legacy. The only advantage he has is that its not over with." – Windhorst

"If LeBron leaves the team, runs away from what happened, he's leaving himself to be permanently damaged. Branded a quitter." – Windhorst

"If [LeBron] goes out like this, no one will respect him. If he leaves after this, it will only hurt him." - Windhorst

i heard the interview. windy usually has a great grasp on the team, and how they're doing, but even he sounded as if he had no idea. he said even lebron's closest friends don't know what's up.

i'm actually more confident in this team winning tomorrow then i would be them winning sunday if they did get it done tomorrow.

i don't know what to think anymore. everything we thought about this team has been thrown out the window. it's a coin flip on whether or not they show up tomorrow night. and it's a coin flip again if they get to sunday.

it's hard to believe the cavs are gonna go out like that. even when they got destroyed by the spurs you could see the effort was there. even against orlando it was like they were working their rear ends off just to stay within the game. same goes for boston 2 years ago and detroit 4 years ago.

i don't see it there. i don't see desperation. i don't see guys willing to sacrifice to win the small battles.

we have no strong leadership at the head coaching position. no you have all these strong personalities fragmenting a clubhouse. Mike is in over his head. I don't believe it's a talent issue. gilbert has spent the money, and ferry put a solid roster together. you don't win 66 and 61 games by having scrubs in there. no mental toughness, and mike brown is killing this team.

but that's what doesn't make sense here. this team seemed to be mentally tough.

mo williams goes down, delonte steps up, delonte goes down too, gibson steps up. why not win 13 games in a row while all that is going on.

we lose Z, shaq gets hurt, are integrating Jamison and lose 3 straight, well why not go on another huge winning streak just to show the world it doesn't affect us.

it's so strange...they've seemingly dealt with obstacles this season and hurdled them. now, they are falling apart at the seams?

i would consider moving mo williams to the bench, starting delonte, leaving parker as is (he actually made a few plays yesterday) and starting shaq but having the finger on the jj trigger.

you might actually be better off, because delonte will D up, and mo might be able to give you a spark off the bench.

brown is not one to panic, but if he loses this game, he knows he's gone. so why not?

I have been far and away less than impressed with West's defense in the playoffs.

Has there been anyone whose defense in the playoffs, or at least in this series, has impressed you? I think the D has looked pathetic from top to bottom, personally.

and windy pointed out yesterday, kind of a weird stat, but in the history of 7 game nba series', the team that wins game 5 when it's 2-2? goes on to win the series only 66% of the time. that's very odd. i think dallas did it a few yrs ago with the spurs.

Didn't Atlanta do it against the Bucks just two weeks ago? And Orlando with the Celtics last year?

Good to see you happy about everything.

Just curious ... Is Cleveland built upon a giant indian burial mound? Was Pontius Pilate a Cleveland fan? Did Lake Erie drink Jobo's rum? I don't get it ...

I've thought that Cleveland has the worst sports fans for the past few years and stuff like I'm reading in this thread only makes my belief firmer. We looked bad last night but we haven't lost the series. By reading this board though you'd think Ferry just traded our whole team for Darko Milicic and Gilbert sold the team to Larry Dolan.

I really hope none of the players for any of our teams ever read this board or RCF or whatever comparable board the Indians probably have. I know if I was a player and I read some of the garbage being spewed I'd care about what the fans wanted a whole hell of a lot less. This team is down but they aren't out and I'm sure they could use some support, they are human after all. But we're not giving it, we're ready to sign the paperwork at the glue factory. Its pretty pathetic. I don't believe in curses but if there really is one we brought in on ourselves.

i don't believe in curses or jinxes, but today, i am not gonna pour on people that do.

as a cleveland fan, what are you supposed to do? what cleveland fans say has no bearing. they aren't the ones who are playing with a lack of fire. they have to sit and take it from the national pundits and all the idiots across the sports world. shoot, espn already ran a segment on sportscenter about where lebron is going now that the series is over.

and if the cavs come back and win this series, we can all sit back and lol at espn for jumping the gun, like they always do. you just knew they were gonna take that and run with it.

i just don't understand how lebron playing a horrible game means he's going to leave (like wow, i just played the worst game of my life in the most important time of the year, i definitely gotta leave)

i don't think he goes out like that. i think bringing cleveland a title is one of his goals. but if he's gonna have games like that, then he's gotta adjust his game so he doesn't dominate the ball so much, because it's been unfair to the rest of the team.

Are you kidding me, man? This is a forum that we use to vent and dump our emotions..

There are people that have been talking Cavs on this board for years (Excl, Lebron James, Nas, 2119, etc.).. I would say that overall, the group on here is pretty knowledgable, and definitely loyal.. Is anyone afraid to criticize the team? No.

Even the guys that fly off the handle sometimes on here.. my guess is that they are just here to vent, and that is it.. they would rather vent on here rather than annoy the hell outta their wives and girlfriends, etc.

For you to act like Cleveland has bad fans is also ridiculous.. Not sure if you have ever lived outside of NE Ohio, but if you have, I think you may rethink that.. I live in Minneapolis where there are all the major teams.. This town is nowhere near as passionate about sports as Clevelanders are.. not even close.. part of what makes Cleveland great is the passion we have..

Part of being a sports fan is being reactionary and letting your emotions get the best of you at times.. but when all is said and done, and everyone takes a step back, you need to understand that Cleveland sports fans are some of the most loyal people around.. Seriously.. We get kicked to the ground and all we do is get back up and want it more..

Why no Powe? And why the lack of fight? If we're going to die in 6, at least fight! The Harper-Nance Cavs weren't half as talented as us, but they took MJ to 6 games in the ECF.

As far as Cleveland being buried on an Indian mound that's entirely possible, although most of them are by Dover/New Philly/Canton and farther south.

If Bron left the Cavs would adjust...the Cavs have had some good teams in the past sans LeBron (75-76, 88-89, 91-92, 92-93, 94-95, 97-98). It's not impossible.

The Cavs, depending on FA, could still win 45-50 games next year, even without LeBron, IMO.

We aren't very loyal at all. The browns are half an exception and its because we've lost the team and we understand that we can't take having them for granted. And its half because that's only the diehards and the people who grew up with the old Browns with the strong tradition. The normal fans stopped supporting the team over the past few seasons, we had several games this past season that should have been blacked out because we didn't sell the tickets we needed to sell. Fan pressure has ruined at least 1 quarterback for sure, and arguably several. We've cost coaches their jobs, players their jobs, and we rag on people even when they do well because they don't do even better than that. Players are people too and they see the papers, they hear the comments people make in public, they have twitter and facebook accounts. If I was a player this is the last place on earth I would want to play.

I have lived MANY places in not just the country but the entire world, don't tell me what other people's fans are like in other places if you've only lived in one place. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I've been stationed in Europe in several places and the passion those people have for their soccer teams makes us look like Jacksonville Jaguar fans. I've lived in Georgia (as a civilian) and the passion those people have for their bulldogs makes OSU fanboys look tame. They love the braves more than we've ever loved the Indians. They don't support the Falcons like we have the Browns, but it isn't that far off.

Cavs fans are not loyal, nobody gave a crap between the Price/Daugherty years and nobody will give a crap if LeBron leaves. We're the definition of bandwagon basketball fans.

Same with the Indians, we supported them in the 90's when we had an all-star at nearly every position and had a chance to be champions any given year. Since then they don't get much support, even in the years with CC and Lee that we barely lost to Boston in the ALCS, they had a bad attendance year and hemorrhaged money.

We also throw beer bottles at people when we disagree with a ruling.

If your argument is just "I'm a Cleveland fan and you offended me" then you might as well just stop now. I've never lived in Minnesota so I can't speak about their fan base but I've lived plenty of places to have large enough sample size to compare our fanbase to, and it isn't good. We're pretty much small town Boston fans without the arrogance. We're just as bitter, drunken, angry, and ignorant.

If we want to claim we have such great fans then we need to change our attitudes. Great fans support a team when they're down and right now we're kicking them.

1. someone threw a bottle on the floor because they didn't like a call. don't use we in that instance.

2. my uncle lives in atlanta, and has for the last 25 years and he says nobody really cares for the braves down there. they are an afterthought and are taken for granted. their attendance through the years backs that up

3. i live in chicago, and nobody got on the sox bandwagon until they won the world series, they couldn't draw a full crowd on half price night. same with the blackhawks, my girlfriend and i went to hawk games right after the lockout when there were maybe 10k in the stands, now it is by far the hottest ticket in town

4. every town has bandwagon fans, and some towns are an exception. the browns are one of them.

and honestly, despite the joke that the indians are, 10k for a game isn't that bad when you consider the success of the cavs, the economy, and the fact that it's a borderline triple A team.

every town has bandwagon fans. nobody was showing up at td bank garden for the celtics before garnett and allen got into town.

hell, even yankee games in the 80's weren't always sold out.

it happens. and it happens everywhere. fans don't pay when the product sucks. sports in this era have priced out the regular fan.so nobody is going to make an investment in a crappy product. nobody is going to take out a loan to get season tickets for something that sucks. sorry.

I think your uncle is wrong.



People down 'here' care for the Braves.



They are right in line with many other teams....note the bottom feeder.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance