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Seems two can play that game . I am loving Arizona right now . As if the freakshow that is California hasn't enough problems . Things are heating up .
An Arizona utility commissioner said he's willing to pull the plug on Los Angeles if the city goes through with a boycott of his state.
In a letter to the city of LA, a member of Arizona's power commission said he would ask Arizona utility companies to cut off the power supply to Los Angeles. LA gets about 25 percent of its power from Arizona.
"That is one commissioner who has that idea -- whether he can do that or not is another idea," said LA Councilman Dennis Zine. "They are the ones who have to make the move, not us."
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The commissioner's power grid play is in response to the city's approval of a resolution directing city staff to consider which contracts with Arizona can be terminated.
Here's part Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce's letter to the mayor:
If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.
I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.
The full text was sent to the blog Hot Air.
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is in Washington D.C., meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, but his deputy chief of staff issued the following statement: "The mayor stands strongly behind the city council and he will not respond to threats from the state that has isolated itself from an America that values freedom, liberty and basic civil rights."
Councilmember Tom LaBonge said he'd like to talk with Pierce. LaBonge said the city needs to look into its long standing utility agreements with Arizona.
LaBonge met Wednesday morning with LA Department of Water and Power officials.
"We have right of ownership of the power plants," LaBonge told NBCLA. "We partially own them."
Other California cities, including Oakland and San Francisco, have passed similar measures.
On Tuesday, Berkeley became the latest California city to boycott Arizona. The City Council voted unanimously to restrict staff from traveling to the state on city business.
SB 1070 -- here's the text of the law -- empowers local law enforcement to check the immigration status of suspects they have stopped for other reasons if there is a reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally. The law specifically bars police from racial profiling.
The Arizona Republic newspaper recently asked a panel of experts to outline how the law would work in real-world situations. The experts' interpretations varied when it came to what happens at the point a law encforcement officer can or should ask about a person's status.
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It's an idle threat, and highly unconstitutional.....
States can't deal preferentially with other states, nor can they prohibit companies in their states from dealing with people in other states....
These are both clearly stated in the Commerce Clause "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;"
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Maybe you wouldn't have to "prohibit them".
So one state can boycott the other one without any retribution? Nah...............
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Seems a self preservation move to me .
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Maybe you wouldn't have to "prohibit them".
So one state can boycott the other one without any retribution? Nah...............
Oh - I think the LA "law" would be struck down too - if it were important enough......
It's a little more tricky, because it's not a law - that is, it doesn't restrict businesses operating in LA from doing anything. It's just internal to the LA government.
The "selling power to LA" part would require a law, because the Government of Arizona doesn't provide the power, businesses working in Arizona do. That basically means that the state against state discrimination has to be on paper as such - which would cause it to be struck down much faster
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Arizona doesn't provide the power, businesses working in Arizona do
All that money in SoCal means the lights stay on.
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All that money in SoCal means the lights stay on.
California can't pay their own bills but they're still telling other people how to live.
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It's an idle threat, and highly unconstitutional.....
States can't deal preferentially with other states, nor can they prohibit companies in their states from dealing with people in other states....
These are both clearly stated in the Commerce Clause "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;"
Maybe so but it would require the Feds to do something about it and they've not shown the inclination up to this point to want to go into Arizona and uphold law or prosecute anyone.
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Maybe so but it would require the Feds to do something about it and they've not shown the inclination up to this point to want to go into Arizona and uphold law or prosecute anyone.
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If a state refuses makes it illegal to provide resources to another state.....the fed will jump in pretty damn fast
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Maybe so but it would require the Feds to do something about it and they've not shown the inclination up to this point to want to go into Arizona and uphold law or prosecute anyone.
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If a state refuses makes it illegal to provide resources to another state.....the fed will jump in pretty damn fast
So the states are not allowed to use their resources as they choose? The fed. gov't. supercedes states on that?
Question: the power plants in question - are they state owned?
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I am all for upholding the Constitution, in all arguements. Be it the unconstitutional mandates under the healthcare bill, or the section of the commerce clause referenced above. Let's not pick and choose what parts of the Constitution we support based upon political ideology.
So, if you are against the idea of AZ limiting businesses within the state from providing services to another state based upon your Constitutional convictions, I am sure you are opposed to the healthcare bill for the very same reasons, correct?
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Okay - for the private companies - the federal gov't. can still step in and mandate who they (the private companies) sell to?
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So, if you are against the idea of AZ limiting businesses within the state from providing services to another state based upon your Constitutional convictions, I am sure you are opposed to the healthcare bill for the very same reasons, correct?
I'm not sure I'm following you. Could you explain more?
As far as the constitution and what I think - it has nothing to do with arizona companies deciding to not sell power to la - does it?
What the health care thing has to do with anything I don't know.
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It's my mistake. I wasn't directing the comment at you, but Lyo.
My point was simple. If you are going to argue that AZ can't take retribution based upon the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, then you must argue against the healthcare bill based upon the unconstitutionality of the individual mandate to purchase a product.
In other words, I tie the two together that some people choose to use the Constitution to advance their ideology, and ignore it when it does not - such as our Attorney General who called the AZ bill unconstitutional without even reading it, but says nothing about the healthcare bill.
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No problem - I understand - and agree. But when the post was directed at me I got a little confused.
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All I want to know is this:
What items are made in Arizona that I can purchase directly, because I'm all about supporting Arizona right about now (yeah, even though I KNOW it's probably illegal aliens who are assembling them  ).
Of course a state that kinda survives because of illegal aliens is going to go to bat for illegal aliens. What does anyone expect? Now ask people in Montana, and I bet you'd get a different answer...............
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It's my mistake. I wasn't directing the comment at you, but Lyo.
My point was simple. If you are going to argue that AZ can't take retribution based upon the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, then you must argue against the healthcare bill based upon the unconstitutionality of the individual mandate to purchase a product.
In other words, I tie the two together that some people choose to use the Constitution to advance their ideology, and ignore it when it does not - such as our Attorney General who called the AZ bill unconstitutional without even reading it, but says nothing about the healthcare bill.
I think (and I believe I've said on here)...that the requirement for individuals to buy insurance is unconstitutional....
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Of course a state that kinda survives because of illegal aliens is going to go to bat for illegal aliens. What does anyone expect? Now ask people in Montana, and I bet you'd get a different answer..............
As usual you are wrong. Montanans can't stand all those illegal Canucks. 
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I'm loving hearing some support for the 'Zona. I live in Tucson and am SICK, SICK, SICK of hearing all the "misguided" criticism of this law. If you read the bill, it basically mirrors the federal law. The difference is that the state is willing to actually enforce it.
I don't think Pierce was actually suggesting that we'll stop selling power to California (we're under contract and he knows that we can't just stop honoring the contract). His point was simply that it's ridiculous to call for a boycott of Arizona, but keep buying your power from us. Either you stand on your convictions or you don't. CA needs to stop trying to legislate the whole world and worry about its own state. Not to mention that CA has an almost identical immigration law to AZ's. I guess they don't enforce it either. I'd like to see all these activist Californians direct their protests towards their own state's immigration law (or budget woes for that matter) and stay the heck out of Arizona's business.
Don't people understand the financial burden of having illegal immigrants?!
Ugh - sorry. I didn't mean to go on a rant...just wish people would stop villifying AZ for this law. It's not racist. It doesn't condone or encourage racial profiling. And those who say it does are "misguided".
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Of course a state that kinda survives because of illegal aliens is going to go to bat for illegal aliens. What does anyone expect? Now ask people in Montana, and I bet you'd get a different answer..............
As usual you are wrong. Montanans can't stand all those illegal Canucks.
Ain't that the truth.............coming down here..............stealing all those jobs in the Maple Tree fields then smuggling all that syrup back across the border............forcing our kids to learn all those crazy dialects where every sentence ends in "EH?"...........diluting down REAL football with that bastardized version that THEY call football...........Why, they are so beneath us that they can't even be smart enough to give each team their own name! You'd THINK the people in Saskatchewan wouldn't steal the name "RoughRiders" from Ottawa!
I think it's time to round up Lampy and CanadaDawg and ban them for their "protection." 
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Don't be sorry. My work equipment was made in Arizona. As of now, I couldn't be happier that I bought it from an Arizona company.
I will do everything I can to buy more from Arizona. And I have a feeling many in the other 49 states will do the same.
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...and those plaid lumberjack shirts they all wear.... deplorable. Can't they wear normal American clothes from the GAP like everyone else?
Before long, all us northerners be forced to watch 'Hockey Night in Canada,' and universally accept Don Cherry as an international fashion expert. What's next? the metric system?
'Box de Mexico' and Univision to the South... slapshots, "Thugs on Ice" and CBC to the North. It's hopelsss.
And don't get me started about all those Quebecois.... they're even more insidious. So smug, they don't even want to speak Canadian. Just want that wierdass French of theirs. Don't like'em, don't trust'em. Shiftier than folks from Ottawa, and that's really saying something.
Dawg, I'm about an hour from the Ambassador Bridge and Windsor Tunnel, so I'm all up in the Front Lines, and it ain't pretty, you know? Our borders are almost as porous as the Browns' DFront7.
It does leave me conflicted a bit, tho... as easily as they can come in here, it's just as easy for my cousin Jimmy to make some extra jack smuggling tourbusloads of Seniors into Windsor for they prescription meds fix. He's part of the UnderLakes Railroad, and networks with coyotes from Niagra Falls to Newpot, VT to northern Maine... I tell ya, this international drug trade thing is getting worse by the minute!
But Jimmy's family, you know? What am I to do?
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I think Los Angeles and San Fran should start boycotting California as well.. considering that California has a very similar law that has been in the books for years... http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90Read down to Penal Code 834b. But all this talk of civil rights and freedoms being trampled is nonsense.. Tony Villar is a lame duck mayor who should be worrying more about the budget problems of his own sanctuary city rather than the affairs of other states and other countries.. People do not have any civil rights , liberties or freedoms to be here illegally.
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It's an idle threat, and highly unconstitutional.....
States can't deal preferentially with other states, nor can they prohibit companies in their states from dealing with people in other states....
These are both clearly stated in the Commerce Clause "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;"
You are correct...if it was passed as a law banning commerce with another state.
However, I didn't read where he was saying it would be a law, he simply said he would encourage the providers to rethink their customer list.
One would think pulling business from Az would have a negative impact on said power companies who might be inclined to divert power to New Mexico, Utah, Nv., or Col. rather than California.
They don't have to sell to California.
It's just a lot of chest thumping at this point.
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You are correct...if it was passed as a law banning commerce with another state.
However, I didn't read where he was saying it would be a law, he simply said he would encourage the providers to rethink their customer list.
I'm not sure why any company would voluntarily give up 25% of their sales, just to avenge some threat.....I mean - it's not like people in Arizona will suddenly double their power consumption, just to make up for the lost revenue.....
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Who says they are going to lose the revenue. There are plenty out there that would be happy to buy the electricity. And just because the State is not forcing them to do anything. They do have to work together...and sometime in the future...they may need the state government to pass licensing, or approve new sites or what have you. The plain fact of the matter is they would not lose any money by selling to someone else, and they need the State of Arizona...where they are located more than they do LA.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Who says they are going to lose the revenue. There are plenty out there that would be happy to buy the electricity.
Who?
Remember it's gotta be relatively local too -- you can't supply electricity to more than a few hundred miles away, due to line loss
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The state can't legally stop selling it as a boycott, but they CAN impose a tariff on all power sold to California as well as make it illegal for any state buying power to resell to Cali without collection of said tariffs.
All of that aside, I believe it is the Los Angeles municipality that buys the power... so they should be stopping purchases of the power anyway (yeah, right..).
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The state can't legally stop selling it as a boycott, but they CAN impose a tariff on all power sold to California as well as make it illegal for any state buying power to resell to Cali without collection of said tariffs.
No - this is also illegal.... This is exactly why the commerce clause was written - to prevent states from starting this sort of economic war (which was a reason the government crumbled under the articles of confederation)
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I'm not sure why any company would voluntarily give up 25% of their sales, just to avenge some threat.....
I'm not sure why the city of LA would pass a law that could ultimately cause them to pay more for city services or get inferior city services because they are no longer allowed to do business with anybody from the state of Arizona because Arizona has decided to enforce laws in their own state which are exactly like the federal laws.... but the city of LA did it anyway.
And just because LA gets 25% of its power from Arizona doesn't mean that Arizona sends 25% of its power to LA.
From what I've heard 70% of the people in Arizona support this bill.. companies might just decide to take a short term hit to prove their own point....
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