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I think Gilbert would be willing to cut a check for $51 million ...
Sure, just write a check for $51 million... I mean I know the guys rich but he ain't that rich... $51 million is a LOT OF MONEY.
if we resign Lebron, we're in luxury tax all 3 years. So, that's actually $102million (dollar for dollar)
When you're looking at black and white figures it seems ridiculous but If $51 million dollars keeps LeBron in Cleveland, do you honestly think Gilbert won't find a way to make it work?
As I said, it's a complete pipe dream but if the 76ers are trying to give away Turner / Wall / Johnson in exchange for a salary dump, I can assure you Gilbert is at least listening.
The likelihood of it happening is obviously very small but if Gilbert is willing to pay a 38 year old Shaq 20 million, I'm sure he has no problem rolling the dice on a 31 year old Elton Brand. Especially if it means getting back what the Cavs so desperately need: a potential young star to pair with LeBron.
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I appreciate everyting Jim did for the Browns but I'm sick and tired of his old bitter ass always bashing cleveland sports teams. He always makes stupid remarks on the Browns and now the Cavs.
Also Elton Brand may be injury prone but he's a GREAT passer at the 4 spot which would allow us to be more versatile.
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Better yet, we do that same deal, but Washington gets dumb, and takes Evan Turner.
Which leaves us with John Wall at #2.
Hey, if you're gonna dream, dream big 
Why would we do that? Turner is a better player,with a better attitude.
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Evan Turner may be a better player than John Wall and he may not, its debatable. But if we're assuming LeBron stays, it makes little sense to draft him over Wall if we were to somehow get into a position to have a pick with both on the board. Turner would be either backing up LeBron for 8 to 10 minutes a game which would be a huge waste, or he'll be a square peg trying to fit into a round hole at the 2 spot. He may fit at the 2 on many other teams, but on ours the job is to play perimeter defense and knock down open 3's. Turner is a slasher, we don't need that unless the team dramatically changes in the offseason. Wall would give us a better PG than we have and enable us to bring Mo off the bench where I think he would play a little better and maybe provide some spark if he's on a hot streak and hopefully we'd see him go right back to the bench if he was on a cold streak. Its pretty moot though as there's no way in hell either of them will drop to us into the second round or a first round pick we may end up buying that will probably be close to the end of the round. We don't really have anything tempting enough to trade either that we'd be willing to part with. Neither guys is worth trading the whole team for so it can be one of them, LeBron, and then a bunch of D-league players. Our best bet (realistically) I think is to buy a pick like we have done in the past and try to get a big man we can develop. I don't know too much about the draft class coming in other than at the very top, but maybe there is someone who has the potential to make spending the money on the pick worthwhile. We also have some guys in Europe and Asia who may be ready some time soon who can contribute. I've heard Eyenga is looking alright over there and Sasha Kaun (a center we drafted late in 2008 who won a title with Kansas I think it was - who is playing in Russia) has a clause in his contract that allows us to have him for pretty cheap next year if we so choose. Or we could use them as trade pieces for a guy who is just a little more talented than an MLE guy we could sign. We have a lot of options to get some decent players in here, but people need to realize that making up these trade scenarios are fun but they are not going to happen. We aren't going to get a top pick in the draft, we aren't getting Amare or Bosh, etc. At least not unless the NBA is pulling strings behind the scenes to stack our team so we can win the title. I wish, but I doubt it.  edit: for anyone who has no idea who Kaun is, he's basically a younger Joel Przybilla. Not flashy but a solid role player - big body, solid defensive fundamentals, not much offensive game which is what kept him out of the first round.
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I've heard Eyenga is looking alright over there and Sasha Kaun .
You're kidding me right? Eyenga has 0 offensive game right now and Kaun would be lucky to be a D-leaguer for us.
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And people need to realize this roster is NOT good enough to win a NBA championship. You were overly confident and then the team was exposed.
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The team wasn't exposed, they for whatever reason stopped caring. There's a big difference between losing because of talent and losing because of effort. We lost because of effort.
And Kaun is starting and doing well for one of the top teams in the world that isn't in the NBA. In a league MUCH more competitive than the D-League ever will be. He's exactly what I said he is, a heady player with good defensive fundamentals that compares to Pryzbilla. He will be a role player. If that's what you expect from him you will not be disappointed, if you expect him to come in be an all star center, you will be. Pretty simple, no? Even for you?
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The team wasn't exposed, they for whatever reason stopped caring. There's a big difference between losing because of talent and losing because of effort. We lost because of effort.
Alright keep playing that tune, Boston was a better team. We had the best player they had the next best 4 players. Only a complete Cavs homer like you would think otherwise.
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And Kaun is starting and doing well for one of the top teams in the world that isn't in the NBA. In a league MUCH more competitive than the D-League ever will be. He's exactly what I said he is, a heady player with good defensive fundamentals that compares to Pryzbilla. He will be a role player. If that's what you expect from him you will not be disappointed, if you expect him to come in be an all star center, you will be.
I'll believe it when I see it. Plus we already have a guy like that on the team.
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i don undrstin wat u iz sayin
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J/C The NBA just "threw the hammer down" on Cuban again. NEW YORK (AP)—Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has been fined $100,000 by the NBA for comments made about free-agent-to-be LeBron James(notes) that violated the league’s anti-tampering rules. The outspoken billionaire, in an interview this week with CNNMoney.com, said “anybody” would be interested in James. Cuban said it would be tough to sign the two-time defending league MVP in free agency, but a sign-and-trade deal with Cleveland is something he would look at. Phoenix Suns President of Basketball Operations Steve Kerr has been fined $10,000, also for public comments made in violation of the anti-tampering rules. Kerr’s comments were made on a radio show on May 14. Cuban didn’t immediately return an email from The Associated Press. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak4__6q29RaWJ7LURcMCFG05nYcB?slug=ap-cubanfined
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I would love to see Evan Turner and LeBron play together, but when you truly look at it, they are pretty much the same player. Strong driving to the rim, average at best jump shot.
On the flip side, Evan is a great defender and only played one true year at PG. If you coulkd develop his jumper and his ability to be the main ball handler, you may have something.
As much as I hate to say it, LeBron and John Wall are a much better combo.
In my opinion, either combination would quite often (or possibly) catch opposing defenses switching off in double teaming, leaving 3 dudes open,...no ?
That would be a "wow." 
How are we supposed to move up to # 2 to snag The Leftover,...?
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Do you realise how unrealistic it is to think Shaq will sign for 20 Million Dollars then bought out for AT LEAST 10 Million once traded. The fans of the 76ers would revolt. Their GM would be fired for basically admitting he made an atrocity of a signing with Brand and then basically giving away a potential All-star for nothing more than cap relief . That's not going to happen. Also it doesn't even factor in the NBA stepping in and nixing the trade because they see the Cavs and 76ers grossly abusing their CBA.
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boston is oblitering the magic right now. unreal.
i think that has to change the outlook of this whole lebron saga, right?
you stick lebron on the knicks, bulls, or nets, and they get smoked. orlando is a legitimate team, and they have no chance. with the cavs, if lebron was his usual self, i still think they probably win that series or at the very latest, would have lost in game 7 on a play here or there.
i don't think the lakers will bow out like we did or like the magic are about to be, but i wouldn't bet them against the celtics, now way no how.
i think if lebron stayed, danny ferry would just have to tinker the team a little bit, and bring in a coach with a fresh view on things. someone proven, someone who has seen his share of playoff basketball.
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I have a great deal of confidence in Ferry's ability as a GM. I think that he will make appropriate moves whether or not Lebron stays .... and he might even have a really spectacular move up his sleeve if Lebron stays.
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The team wasn't exposed, they for whatever reason stopped caring. There's a big difference between losing because of talent and losing because of effort. We lost because of effort.
Alright keep playing that tune, Boston was a better team. We had the best player they had the next best 4 players. Only a complete Cavs homer like you would think otherwise.
People play that "tune" because it's a legitmate reason. If the Boston was that much better of a team ... we wouldn't of blown them out by 30 in Boston. We wouldn't have beat them soundly a few times during the regular season. We wouldn't have almost made a 20 point comeback in one of the last games of the season.
Boston is pretty much the same team they've been the last 2 years ... and it's been pretty much an even-push in terms of who's better. Except that this time around, for some reason Mike Brown decided to go with a lineup that played together for 6 total games ... Lebron James was not 100% physically and mentally ... and the rest of the team gave up trying too.
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I have a great deal of confidence in Ferry's ability as a GM. I think that he will make appropriate moves whether or not Lebron stays .... and he might even have a really spectacular move up his sleeve if Lebron stays.
i just think there has got to be a coach out there, who thinks if the organization can get lebron to stay, that with the players they do have, and maybe a small move or two, can take this team to that next level, maybe similiar to how phil jackson took the bulls to the level doug collins could not.
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The team wasn't exposed, they for whatever reason stopped caring. There's a big difference between losing because of talent and losing because of effort. We lost because of effort.
Alright keep playing that tune, Boston was a better team. We had the best player they had the next best 4 players. Only a complete Cavs homer like you would think otherwise.
People play that "tune" because it's a legitmate reason. If the Boston was that much better of a team ... we wouldn't of blown them out by 30 in Boston. We wouldn't have beat them soundly a few times during the regular season. We wouldn't have almost made a 20 point comeback in one of the last games of the season.
Boston is pretty much the same team they've been the last 2 years ... and it's been pretty much an even-push in terms of who's better. Except that this time around, for some reason Mike Brown decided to go with a lineup that played together for 6 total games ... Lebron James was not 100% physically and mentally ... and the rest of the team gave up trying too.
Lemme gues, Orlando has just given up and it has nothing to do with Boston being a good team
People keep saying the Celtics played a team that quit. I could say the Celtics were devastating them to the point that they cried Uncle. The celtics are finnally healthy and Rondo has really emerged in the playoffs. If they win it all are you still going to say the cavs are a better team?
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Might be.
Sometimes it takes one voice to get a team from bad to good, and another to go from good to great. I don't know whether that is because of the coach or players, but it does often seem to be the case. That does usually happen when a team returns intact though.
I just don't know if the team wins next year without a legitimate big man. Andy and JJ and nice players .... but I don't know if they are "it" at Center. I don't see Shaq or Z coming back. I am unsure who the Cavaliers have playing overseas who might be ready to come back.
I don't know if a "small" move will be enough next year.
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Maybe a "small" move would be trying to get Anthony Morrow from the Warriors. The guy can flat out shoot and we could use him.
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Isn't he kind of a "Tweener"?
Where does he fit defensively?
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Maybe a "small" move would be trying to get Anthony Morrow from the Warriors. The guy can flat out shoot and we could use him.
I agree that it would be a good move but it dosen't mean that he'll be able to knock them down when the pressure is on as we have seen with your boy Mo Williams. 
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Anyone with eyes could see that we had no interest in playing playoff basketball against Boston, because of the fact that nobody could explain why its been all over the news and there's even been ridiculous rumors like Delonte West having sex with LeBron's mom to explain it. I've been assuming all this time that you're just relishing the fact that albeit for none of the reasons you were stating, you still lucked into the correct outcome of the series and you're not actually that slow, but like my belief that the Cavs had heart, I was wrong.
You're like that guy at the park who goes 0 for 10 that people stop guarding who knocks down an open 3 and then acts like the second coming of Larry Bird the rest of the day.
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You're like that guy at the park who goes 0 for 10 that people stop guarding who knocks down an open 3 and then acts like the second coming of Larry Bird the rest of the day.
LOL....I like that.....and how true.
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Anyone with eyes could see that we had no interest in playing playoff basketball against Boston, because of the fact that nobody could explain why its been all over the news and there's even been ridiculous rumors like Delonte West having sex with LeBron's mom to explain it. I've been assuming all this time that you're just relishing the fact that albeit for none of the reasons you were stating, you still lucked into the correct outcome of the series and you're not actually that slow, but like my belief that the Cavs had heart, I was wrong.
You're like that guy at the park who goes 0 for 10 that people stop guarding who knocks down an open 3 and then acts like the second coming of Larry Bird the rest of the day.
You’re the reason why NBA fans hate Cavs fans. You act so arrogant and blind to the fact that the Celtics may have possibly been the better team that you refuse to give them any credit. I mean for Christ’s sake man they’re 1 win away from the NBA finals. Maybe it’s immaturity or bitterness on your part. However instead of trying to have an intelligent conversation you make unnecessary remarks on either my intelligence or that I’m not a real fan. I’m starting to think the refs on this board have an agenda against me because I can’t quite understand why you haven’t been banned yet but I have multiple times. It’s kind of ironic that you say I’m slow because I feel my IQ dropping every time I read one of your posts. Reading one of your posts is like watching scrambled porn on cable, you really have to look hard to see anything useful. The entertainment value of the rest of the junk is the reason you haven’t been banned yet.
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LOL....I like that.....and how true.
Ahh Peeny, you act like the bitter old man at a retirement home who believes the south will still rise again. Every time you click submit to one of your posts it’s like watching a fat kid play dodge ball. You know what’s going to happen, you know it’s wrong, but you’re still gonna laugh.
Now knowing how the refs hate me for no apparent reason because Purp never told me who banned me in the first place even though I asked about a month ago. They'll try to claim I was name calling even though I never did. They'll say I was "flaming" even though Mattack started it all. I just want to say peace out and God bless to the truly open minded Cavs fans like LeBron, Kingo, Psy, etc. Even though we've clashed in the past you guys are actually classy and make me feel proud to represent Cavs fans everywhere.
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You act so arrogant and blind to the fact that the Celtics may have possibly been the better team that you refuse to give them any credit. I mean for Christ’s sake man they’re 1 win away from the NBA finals.
Who's not giving them credit?? They're a dang good team, and built pretty much perfectly. You seem to live in a world of binary values, where if they're good ... that means we suck and need to blow up our team. There seems to be no concept of health, chemistry, matchups, etc. If the Celts beat the Cavs in 6 ... well hell, we suck, and we have to blow every thing up and start over. We have no idea what the series outcome would be had Lebron been 100% ... had Mike Brown not gone into panic rotations ... had the Celtics not found the fountain of youth and had all three of their old guys playing at all-star levels for the first time this season.
Does that mean I think the Cavs are the better team? Well not this time around (and that's all that matters in the trophy department) ... but that doesn't necessarily mean we wouldn't sweep them had we met under different circumstances. It doesn't necessarily mean the Celts would sweep us under other circumstances. Both teams are great. But this isn't a Playstation game where you can just make crazy trades and swap out every starter for an all-star, win 82 games and sweep through the playoffs. That seems to be what you expect.
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That seems to be what you expect.
No, I expect this team to do whatever it takes to bring a championship to Cleveland. Which means adding talent that is superior than Bostons and LAs. Also by saying the only reason why Boston beat us was because we didn't try is taking credit away from Boston. Sure most of my trades are unrealistic but it sure beats the hell out of talking about what LeBron is going to do this summer. I just previously suggested a "small move" of geting Anthony Morrow if the Warriors don't resign him. I could see it happening because they have Monta Ellis and Curry. Morrow reminds me of a young Ray Allen. He has a silky smooth release and can drill 3's effortlessly. He definately needs improvement with his D.
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I do have to say one thing ..... OK ...... 4 ........ I think that the Cavaliers had 4 problems in the playoffs ..... Their rotations were bizarre, to say the least. The almost total lack of playing time for JJ blows my mind when he'd been such an effective player during the season. They had a new player in Jamison ... an important piece of the puxzzle .... who had hardly played with Shaq, and did not get to play his game as a result. Rather than playing down lower where he'd been effective his entire career, they had him shooting jumpers. players have to play within their capabilities, and be put in position to make the most of their talents. I don't think that was done in this series. I actually thin tha Jamison would have been more effective with a guy like Z who is comfortable playing away from the basket. They had injuries to their 2 of their most important players in Lebron and Andy. Andy played most of the Boston series, from what I have read, with severe back spasms. Neither guy was himself for that series. Once those 2 guys were less than 100%, no one else stepped up to assume a leadership role and rally the troops. They just took an attitude of "Well, Lebron's hurt, so we're screwed" approach. I think that the Cavaliers, with a healthy Lebron and a healthy Andy dispose of the Celtics in 6 games. I also think that this team had the talent to win it all. Injuries, a lack of leadership as a result, and weird coaching decisions wiped out any chance for that to happen.
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Wasn't KG and Perk supposidly hurt before game 3 or 4?
Anyways I have a question for the board. Is Dwight Howard the most overated player in the NBA? He's the best defensive center in the NBA no question. However everyone crowned Dwight Howard as the best big in the game and the dude still can't even play offense. Unless he's within two feet of the basket or is dunking, he's damn near useless.
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I think that the Cavaliers, with a healthy Lebron and a healthy Andy dispose of the Celtics in 6 games. I also think that this team had the talent to win it all. Injuries, a lack of leadership as a result, and weird coaching decisions wiped out any chance for that to happen.
I don't think injuries played as big a role as people want to believe. You don't take two of the first 4 games, one in dominating fashion where your star scores 21 in the first quarter and blame it on injuries.
I believe leadership is severely lacking on this team, and I'm not sure LeBron is as strong of or the type of leader that can lead when the chips are down. I've read a ridiculous amount of posts on here from the resident experts that actually give credence to an argument that the Cavs stopped caring. They are mistaking what they perceived to be a lack of caring with a lack of leadership.
It almost makes you begin to wonder if LeBron is going to need a strong leader on his team that can be that guy when they need it most.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I agree that injuries did not play as much of a role as a lot of folks would like to believe.
I also agree that Dwight Howard is the most overrated player in the NBA. I can't believe there are people that actually think this guy is MVP-caliber material.
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I also agree that Dwight Howard is the most overrated player in the NBA. I can't believe there are people that actually think this guy is MVP-caliber material.
I would easily take Yao (before his injuries) ahead of Dwight.
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dwight howard is a ridiculous talent, but he's not a very good basketball player, if that makes sense.
his game is not polished. he's worthless unless he's directly under the rim. he's nowhere near to force shaq was when he was at that age. it's not even close.
i think it's up to him whether he becomes a top 5 player in the league, if he's happy where he's at, he's not going to get there.
tim duncan may not have ever had that sportscenter highlight reel type play about him, but like his nickname indicates, he did all the little things to become a great big man. his versatility was amazing, that guy could go at the 4, at the 5, defend just about anyone, and come up big when it mattered most. great player. don't think dwight howard will ever be that good.
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It's true. He gets by on his athleticism, rebounding ability and shot blocking ability. I don't even think he is as good of on-ball low post defender as Perkins. He takes stupid fouls and complains about them. He's got all the potential in the world with that athleticism but some parts of his game are so bland. Don't get me wrong, he is the best shot blocker and rebounder in the league at the moment
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It's true. He gets by on his athleticism, rebounding ability and shot blocking ability. I don't even think he is as good of on-ball low post defender as Perkins. He takes stupid fouls and complains about them. He's got all the potential in the world with that athleticism but some parts of his game are so bland. Don't get me wrong, he is the best shot blocker and rebounder in the league at the moment
other than lebron, he's got the best talent in the league. and those 2 are really head and shoulders above the rest.
however, both need to improve as overall basketball players, as well as becoming good leaders of their teams. never thought i'd ever say that about lbj.
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other than lebron, he's got the best talent in the league. and those 2 are really head and shoulders above the rest.
I think you are confusing the terms talent and athleticism. Dwight Howard is far from the second best talent in the league.
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other than lebron, he's got the best talent in the league. and those 2 are really head and shoulders above the rest.
I think you are confusing the terms talent and athleticism. Dwight Howard is far from the second best talent in the league.
athleticism/talent/god given ability
all the same.
huge difference in being athletic and talented, and being a good basketball player.
kobe isn't the best athlete in the league, he is not the most talented, but he is probably the best basketball player.
smarts, mental toughness, having that edge. those are things we haven't see in dwight howard and this year did not see from lebron.
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I understand what you're saying but where does D-wade factor in all of that?
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I understand what you're saying but where does D-wade factor in all of that?
were you asking me on that, as far as athleticism/talent/god given ability versus being a good basketball player?
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I understand what you're saying but where does D-wade factor in all of that?
were you asking me on that, as far as athleticism/talent/god given ability versus being a good basketball player?
My bad, I was just wondering where you would rank Flash because you said Dwight is the 2nd most talented player in the NBA even though you could make a case for Flash.
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I understand what you're saying but where does D-wade factor in all of that?
were you asking me on that, as far as athleticism/talent/god given ability versus being a good basketball player?
My bad, I was just wondering where you would rank Flash because you said Dwight is the 2nd most talented player in the NBA even though you could make a case for Flash.
i factor in everything. and while we rip dwight for his game, for a guy that big, his athleticism and talent are ridiculous. but he refuses to bring the "big fundamentals" to the floor every night, and make it an effort to play smart.
flash is up there though. mental toughness, great body control. great stroke
he also is made of glass. that guy can never stay healthy. part of it is being injury prone, part of it is the way the guy plays. he's like alex ovechkin as a bball player, just all-out throwing your body around.
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other than lebron, he's got the best talent in the league. and those 2 are really head and shoulders above the rest.
I think you are confusing the terms talent and athleticism. Dwight Howard is far from the second best talent in the league.
athleticism/talent/god given ability
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Not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, but talent implies a specific skill set to a specific sport. The same can be said about 'god given ability' in reference to a specific sport.
Athleticism is not sport specific. That's why a lot of athletes are decent at multiple sports. They may not have a lot of talent for a specific sport, but they can get by on their athleticism.
Howard seems to get by on his athleticism and size. What exact talent does he have for the game of basketball?
And Kobe is the most talented offensive player in the game. He's certainly not the most athletic. I don't think anyone would argue that. There's your contrast between talent and athleticism.
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talent can be defined many different ways. i tend to think in sports athleticism and talent are not that far apart. but i think we're pretty much on the same page here.
kobe is nowhere near the athlete that lebron is, or even howard, but it's the other things he can do. it's mental with that guy.
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