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Here's another one of my crazy trade ideas that you all love so much  I've suggested this to Philly fans and they've said they love it but they've also said Shaq would be the huge problem. Maybe they could buy him out and let him play wherever he wants to. They would get rid of Brand and Iggys contract and still keep the #2 pick. Cleveland Gets: Iguoadala: $12.3 million Elton Brand: $15.9 million Philadelphia Gets: Antawn Jamison: $13.5 million Delonte West: $4.6 million Sebastian Telfair: $2.7 million Shaq: $6 million one year sign and trade Future 1st rounder Also if we hire Phil Jackson I think Brand would be very good in the triangle offense. He's a damn good passer which is needed from the PF. Mo Iggy LBJ Brand ????????? Maybe we could get Shaq back?
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that leaves options. i just hate that brand is made of glass.
i like iggy. i am a huge fan of his. i think he'd be a great #2 to lebron. he's tough, he's not afraid of big moments. he's used to handling the ball in crunch time so you could get lbj off the ball a little bit (or at least try to) and most importantly, he can defend well.
but his contract sucks. i think that is a risky move and i dunno if lbj wants that. although what's better, those 2 and the rest of our team or what we have now? great question.
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although what's better, those 2 and the rest of our team or what we have now? great question.
You bring up a very good point. This is how I'd break it down:
Antawn Jamison vs. Iggy = Iggy
Delonte West vs. Brand = Edge Delonte but he's unfortunately a bench guy
Plus we might get Shaq back
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Plus we might get Shaq back
How? He's not signing for the veteran minimum.
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How? He's not signing for the veteran minimum.
Philly could buy him out like Washington did with Z right.....?
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Yes ... but I highly doubt Shaq is going to come back for the veterens minimum.
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Yes ... but I highly doubt Shaq is going to come back for the veterens minimum.
translation, you're just looking for anything I say to nitpick at. 
It's not like Shaq has a choice at this point in his career anyways.
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I'm not all that sure I would want Shaq back.. and whether he comes back might be decided based on who the coach is.. if they get an up-tempo coach who wants to run a little, you don't need Shaq...
I believe that working so hard to incorporate Shaq into the offense, slowing everything down, standing around on offense was a big contributing factor to the Cavs struggling to find any kind of rhythm in the playoffs...
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i agree, before we got jamison, we were playing quite well, even with the injuries. i think iggy at the 2 over parker at the 2 is an instant fit. jj starting at the 4 was working, although i think he still has defensive issues.
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Yes ... but I highly doubt Shaq is going to come back for the veterens minimum.
No ... it's freaking Shaq! Teams are going to want him. At least one playoff contending team would be more than willing to throw a mid-level/bi-annual exception at him ... which is signifigantly more than a veterans minimum.
Besides, if he can't get more than a veterans minimum from anyone in the league ... would we really WANT him??
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I'm not all that sure I would want Shaq back.. and whether he comes back might be decided based on who the coach is.. if they get an up-tempo coach who wants to run a little, you don't need Shaq...
I believe that working so hard to incorporate Shaq into the offense, slowing everything down, standing around on offense was a big contributing factor to the Cavs struggling to find any kind of rhythm in the playoffs...
Completely agree on that last point. Shaq was brought in for one big reason ... to stop Dwight Howard. Outside of that, he slowed down the offense, and was a big part of our lack of chemistry against Boston.
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he was brought in to beat dwight howard, but also the bigs of the lakers.
mike brown's stubborness probably cost him his job, and i wonder if all this started when shaq complained in game 4 about not coming back in.
the celtics are a great halfcourt defensive team, even earlier in the year when they sucked they were still good in the halfcourt. their commitment to get back in transition was not there at all this year (still not quite there) and mike brown refused to attack that.
you can't just walk the ball up the court when you have an offense that is less than great in the halfcourt. especially when you have a guy like lebron who's as deadly as they come in transition.
although when you defend as bad as you did, it's tough to get out and run.
still, i saw times where we could have gotten out, and we just walked it up.
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mike brown's stubborness probably cost him his job, and i wonder if all this started when shaq complained in game 4 about not coming back in.
the celtics are a great halfcourt defensive team, even earlier in the year when they sucked they were still good in the halfcourt. their commitment to get back in transition was not there at all this year (still not quite there) and mike brown refused to attack that.
Exactly ... Kendrick Perkins is a great big-man defender. His offense isn't great, but he's going to hold his own against guys like Shaq. And Varejao has always been the guy that can match up defensively against KG and get under his skin.
But Brown forced Shaq and AJ out there ... the best two guys for Orlando and LA, but not against Boston. Perkins shut down Shaq, and KG one-upped AJ on both ends of the floor. The JJ/AV frontcourt worked all year against Boston (even Z/AV had success in years past) ... but he seemed to want to force the lineup that nobody was used to.
What we really need is a guy like Perkins. A guy that doesn't even need to start, but can be brought out to counter a guy like Howard when needed.
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I don't really like taking Elton Brand but this is the first realistic trade idea I've seen on this board. When you make a trade, most people forget that both teams have to have an incentive to make it, and this one gives both of us pretty good incentive. Philly dumps salary and keeps their pick, and gets some younger talent to put with Turner or Wall or whoever they draft to start building a team. Cleveland gets a sidekick for LeBron in exchange for giving up some young talent and paying Brand so we can try to win now.
I think its a little bit too much to give up but I'm also basing that on Ferry's past history of picking a teams pocket, then also stealing their belt and beating them with it. This trade is more balanced than things we've done in the past, but I suppose you can't always rob teams in every trade. We've gotten a bit spoiled in that regard over the past few seasons and we can't expect to it keep happening.
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IF you listen to the Jalen rose segment on ESPN.com under the Bron Bron heading, he says Dirk would be the best pairing with LeBron and could be had for a max deal this offseason. That would be a HUGE signing
We have about a .000000000000000000000001% chance of acquiring Dirk as a running mate for LeBron. If Dirk is coming to Cleveland, it's most likely going to be in a sign and trade for LeBron.
Cavs don't have the assets or cap space to make a move for a player of Dirk's caliber.
It would be nice if a player of Dirk's caliber could see his way to a Title easier playing alongside a LeBron, by taking a little cut,....and what stops that, is the Union,....
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agreed except that I think Shaq has too much pride to be a pawn in a sign-n-trade to a non-contender.
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According to many, Brown knew shaq wasn't the best matchup gainst boston, but didn't have the stones to play him less. Many guys, including windhorst said shaq would have destroyed the locker room, if he got the hook. I know windhorst said shaq often made these quotes to players; "how many rings do I have,? how many rings does coach brown have?"
You look at phoenix. that team is way better without shaq. they played their younger guys like dragic, dudley, aumenson, lopez. We have younger guys in JJ, Gibson, Jawad, who couldn't even get in the game. The depth was there, it just wasn't utilized.
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I agree I think those guys have some upside. Jawad with his length could be a decent rotation guy on a contending team but he's not gonna learn much just sitting in the playoffs. He had a nice part in several victories this yr. And with hickson if he can continue to develop a good jumper he can be a starter on a contender, trade or no trade. I just hate that the media never notices the young talent. U don't win 60+ without contributions from Guys that aren't household names.
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Anyone hear Phil Jackson shut down the bulls rumors and then say he'd have a vodka with prokhorov? Lol
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Must be why the Lakers are now evened up at 2-2 in their series ...... All the rumors and distractions, don't you know ..... 
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May 26, 2010 1:59 PM EST
Mike Brown released the following statement on Wednesday, two days after he was relieved of his duties as head coach of the Cavaliers.
“The past five years have been an exceptional experience. I have been very fortunate to lead a group of men who I respect and thoroughly enjoyed coaching on a daily basis. At the same time, I was able to work alongside a terrific coaching staff and with Danny Ferry and a basketball operations team, all of whom I have a profound respect for. We partnered in creating a culture and a standard that I am, and will continue to be, very proud of. None of which would be possible without the dedication and support of Dan Gilbert. I am thankful for the opportunity that he gave to me and my family. We have a deep appreciation for Northeast Ohio, the Cleveland Cavaliers organization, and the people in this community, and have enjoyed making this our home."
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Very classy. Way to go Mike. Best wishes to you and your family going forward. 
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i don't understand why the nets have inquired about him. huh?
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Agree, that was a very classy thing to do. Speaks volumes of the character this guy has. If I was just fired after being coach of the year and having the best record 2 years in a row, it would be hard...very hard to say the right things.
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Many guys, including windhorst said shaq would have destroyed the locker room, if he got the hook. I know windhorst said shaq often made these quotes to players; "how many rings do I have,? how many rings does coach brown have?"
I don't like Mike Brown as a head coach but now I have to rant
If that's true Shaq can kiss my arse. You do NOT disrespect or question your head coach no matter how imcompetent he may be. Hey Shaq the only reason you got your rings in the first place was because you rode Kobe and D-Wades nuts. Seriously I never liked the guy to begin with because of how he acts and I thought he was dead weight only meant to stop dwight. Just retire you fat blob.
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shaq is awesome, and a great player, one of the greatest ever, but if that's true, that is horrible. i hope it's not true.
that kind of stuff trickles down. younger guys start hearing that and they stop listening to the coach, they stop giving 100%, they stop doing the little things.
that is awful if it is true. i read a ton of windy's stuff and have never heard that, but i hope to God it's not.
and if that is true, you can start putting the pieces together. shaq getting in lebron's ear. telling him he's not going to win with this coach. how he's screwing up his name, his brand, his status, etc...
might be reaching a little bit, but you get where i am going.
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I hope it's not either but I wouldn't be shocked. I never heard MJ say crap like that. Damn I feel weird standing up for Mike Brown. I just have 0 tolerance for throwing a coach under the bus like that. NBA players these days are so damn spoiled it's sickening.  At least NFL guys are taught some discipline and realise they need other guys to help them succeed.
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He's only got titles because of Kobe and D-Wade?
Kobe's only got 1 without Shaq.
D-Wade has 0 without Shaq.
I think it's been proven over and over, you need at least two top players to win a championship.
Allow me to prove that point...
2009- Lakers- Kobe/Gasol
2008- Celtics- Allen/Rondo/Pierce/Garnett
2007- Spurs- Duncan/Parker/Ginobli
2006- Heat- Wade/Shaq
2005- Spurs- Duncan/Parker/Ginobili
2004- Billups/Wallace
2003- Spurs- Duncan/Robinson
2002- Lakers- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Lakers- Kobe/Shaq
2000- Lakers- Kobe Shaq
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I think that Shaq's three consecutive Finals MVPs from 2000-2002 indicate that he wasn't riding Kobe's nuts...
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He would NOT have won 3 titles without Kobe. It's not even debatable that D-Wade carried him to that 4th ring.
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And Kobe wouldn't have won those three titles without Shaq. Neither one "rode the other's nuts".
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So why does Shaq carry a superiority complex that he is above the head coach?
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Considering that the two aren't mutually exclusive, added to the fact that you're speaking about an unsubstantiated rumor, I really can't say why.
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probably has to do with age, shaq is only a year or two younger than mike brown. i think the fact that mike never played also plays into it.
i don't think the respect was always there. but they sure as hell did a great job of covering it up for 7 months.
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So why does Shaq carry a superiority complex that he is above the head coach?
That's real easy to answer in my book. And this is why the money is so inflated -- it "buys" egotistical superiority,...in this case WORTHLESS.
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probably has to do with age, shaq is only a year or two younger than mike brown.
Wow I keep forgeting how young Mike is.
Watching the Orlando game and something kind of frustrates me. As bad as Dwight is on offense I would love for him to play for us. After LeBron and him we'd just need 3 points shooters to put around them. We'd probabally have the most dominant pick-and-roll offense in the history of basketball.
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No ... it's freaking Shaq! Teams are going to want him. At least one playoff contending team would be more than willing to throw a mid-level/bi-annual exception at him ... which is signifigantly more than a veterans minimum.
Besides, if he can't get more than a veterans minimum from anyone in the league ... would we really WANT him??
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