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Outdoors in the cold baby!!! I hope its us versus someone like the Bears, Lions or Packers.   http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/14275/super-bowls-a-lock-for-nycnjSuper Bowl's a lock for NYC/NJ By Matt MosleyIRVING, Texas -- Let's not pretend there's any suspense today regarding the announcement of the 2014 Super Bowl site. As Rich Cimini from ESPNNewYork.com writes, the Giants and Jets are at the goal line, and barring a Leon Lett-like fumble at the spring owners meeting, the league will overwhelmingly vote to hold the game at New Meadowlands Stadium. The Giants and Jets will have 15 minutes to lobby the other owners for the league's showcase event, but the legwork's already been done. Once the league waived the 50-degree rule for outdoor stadiums, this was pretty much a done deal. I believe South Florida and Tampa are both in the running, but their representatives should save their breath. Commissioner Roger Goodell seems to gravitate toward teams and owners who build $1.6 billion stadiums, which just happens to be the price tag on New Meadowlands Stadium. And if you can pull it off in a tough economy, it seems like your name comes up even quicker. After the 15-minute presentation Tuesday, Jets owner Woody Johnson and Giants co-owner John Mara will share the stage for five minutes. This is the part of the process I'd really enjoy seeing. The Giants and Jets are strange bedfellows in this bid, but they've put aside their differences and done a nice job. In case you were wondering, here's Cimini's explanation of Tuesday's voting process: It probably won't happen on the first or second ballot, which both require 75 percent of the vote (24 of the 32 teams) for one of the three candidates, but the feeling around the league is that New York/New Jersey has enough support to win on the third or fourth ballot. If it goes to a second vote and no city receives a 75 percent majority, the third-place finisher (many believe that will be Miami) is eliminated. If neither of the two finalists garners 75 percent on the third ballot, it goes to a fourth. In that case, a simple majority (17 votes) wins the Super Bowl. Instead of praying for a warm front in early February, the Giants and Jets have embraced the concept of a cold-weather game. They'll show footage of the Cowboys-Packers Ice Bowl, although I'm told images of frostbitten fingers might be edited out. The Giants and Jets are also hoping the Super Bowl will help them land a naming-rights deal for the stadium. When I talked to Giants co-owner Steve Tisch in March, he seemed supremely confident a naming-rights deal would be in place before the start of the 2010 season. But it's not like the prospect of hosting a Super Bowl has helped Cowboys owner Jerry Jones find a naming-rights partner. I personally think a New York/New Jersey Super Bowl will be a fantastic thing for the league. It's not like many of us avoid trips to New York in the winter simply because it's cold. And the millions of folks watching the game across the country wouldn't mind seeing the teams battle the elements. The league will go through the formality of a vote. But it's pretty obvious the owners have come around on a New York Super Bowl. Too bad we have to wait until 2014 for the game.
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I don't know, I might like us versus someone from down south where they're not used to the cold.
Though a Browns/Packers Super Bowl would be pretty cool from a "teams with tradition" point of view.
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Anyone that complains about a cold weather Super Bowl is a loser. The tickets will sell, people will go, the teams are both battling the same elements, and it will be fun to watch.
I'm sick of the sterilized venues and their controllable climates. This is football. A cold weather sport. If you don't want to sit in the cold, stay home.
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Wonder what a SB with -10deg temps would do for the corporate sponsored attendees. 
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more on this from this Yahoo link Brr! NFL going outdoors in NJ for 2014 Super Bowl IRVING, Texas – Check the antifreeze, grab the mittens, make sure the airport's not snowed in. We're going to the Super Bowl. In New Jersey. In February! NFL owners voted Tuesday to put the 2014 Super Bowl in the new $1.6 billion Meadowlands Stadium that this season will become home to the New York Jets and Giants. It's the first time the league has gone to a cold weather site that doesn't have a dome and, until now, those places couldn't even bid on the big game. The league made an exception for the New York area, and New York only. But just a few years ago, the NHL experimented with an outdoor game on New Year's Day, and it was such a success that teams now fight to host what's become an annual event. "We believe the owners have the faith in us that 3 1/2 years from now we'll put on a remarkable event," Giants co-owner Jonathan Tisch said on the NFL Network. "The greatest game in the world will be played on the greatest stage in the world." For all the hoopla on putting the Super Bowl in the Big Apple, it wasn't a slam-dunk. It took four votes by NFL owners to pick New Jersey over two Florida cities, Miami and Tampa. Miami was eliminated after the second ballot. If the NFL decides to wait and see how this foray into the great outdoors in winter goes, it could be until about 2019 or 2020 to try again because it takes a year or two to put together a bid for a game that's another four years away. The slogan for New York's bid is "Make Some History." The first piece likely to be made is a record-low temperature at kickoff. The current record is 39 degrees in 1972 at Tulane Stadium in New Orleans, and that would be considered a warm February day in East Rutherford, N.J. There's never been snow in a Super Bowl game and that could happen, too. The average temperature range for the Meadowlands area during February is 24 to 40 degrees, with several inches of rain, according to the bid documents. Remember, the game kicks off after sunset in the Eastern time zone, so temperatures would be dropping throughout the night. Planners have factored it all in. They're plotting giveaways to warm hands and seats, having hundreds of folks ready to shovel away snow and anything else they can do to make the experience more than just bearable. For all the inconvenience to those in the stadium, it might look great on TV. Think of all the shots from the "Ice Bowl" with steam coming out of players' mouths. More recently, there was the snowy game in New England that became known for the "Tuck Rule." Of course, this game also will have the glitz and spectacle that comes with being just outside New York City — like having the Manhattan skyline in the distance. There were cheers in Times Square as the decision was announced on jumbo-screen TVs. Jets owner Woody Johnson wasted no time in raising the possibility of a Jets-Giants showdown in four years. "We'll try to be in that Super Bowl together," he said, then turned to Tisch. "Am I right?" Being in the big city will give the league a chance to try making the big game even bigger, if that's even possible. Buildup will include everything from a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade to parties at internationally renowned destinations. The flip side is that security will become a bigger issue, perhaps among the most expensive pieces of the budget. An expected economic impact of $550 million would help offset some of the cost. Still, it's the weather that makes this decision so significant. The NFL traditionally has required an average temperature of 50 degrees or a dome for a team to bid on hosting the Super Bowl. The rule was made for the comfort and convenience of fans and players. Anyone who has ever planned an outdoor event can appreciate how much of a relief it is to not worry about the weather. Neutral conditions, like those in a dome, also are supposed to help the caliber of play. It's been at least 57 degrees for every Super Bowl since 1975, when it was 46. Both that game and the record-low in '72 were in New Orleans, before the Superdome opened. Something else to consider is that hosting a Super Bowl involves a lot more than the game itself. The week before is filled with practices, parties and the league's popular "NFL Experience," a carnival-like event with games, souvenirs and much more. Florida, California and domed stadiums were part of an informal rotation for many years. With more cities building big, expensive stadiums, more places want their turn to host. Yet some places with new or newly renovated facilities haven't even had a chance to bid before because of their weather, such as Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, New England, Seattle, Denver and Green Bay. Surely they will use this precedent to change, or at least loosen, the 50-degree rule for Super Bowl bids. The upcoming Super Bowl, in February 2011, will be at Cowboys Stadium, followed by Indianapolis' new stadium in 2012 and a 2013 return to the Superdome for the first time since Hurricane Katrina ripped off part of the roof. For now, a question: Anybody have a 1,300-day forecast?
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While it would upset me terribly to be considered, by your standards, a loser... I have to admit that I think the whole "cold weather super bowl" idea is stupid. I'm sure people will go and its true that both teams battle the same elements.. but to have a super bowl decided because a guy couldn't feel his fingers or because the ball was hard as a rock seems to me to defeat the purpose, which is to find out who is the best team. Is the best team the one that can endure the cold the best? Should that be a determining factor in deciding who is the best team? Pretty much every team plays at least the first 12 games of the season in moderate to warm temperatures.. then in the final few games and in the playoffs you get some cold and some snow in a handful of cities.. so I'm not sure why introducing that element to the super bowl makes it better.
I will say this though, New York is a pretty safe venue.. I would also think that Philly would be safe (maybe no physically but meteorilogically), DC would be safe and some others would be safe.. Average February temps in NYC is high of 40, low of 27... High 30s low 40s isn't even cold by football standards... there is a risk that it could be teens or that it could snow.. sure, that risk is there, but odds are weather will not be a factor.. now Buffalo, Cleveland, Minnesota (outside).. I would not be in favor of it.... plus the NFL would stand to lose a small fortune.. the media will follow the NFL to NYC in February in full force.. they will not do the same in Buffalo or Cleveland..
Now before some jerkwad goes to the extreme.. yes, the media will still cover the game but it will be with a lot less enthusiasm, less partying, fewer events.. the whole "experience" would diminish... and I know this board is full of Vince Lombardi purists.. but the money is in the partying and the attendance and the viewership.....
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The league made an exception for the New York area, and New York only.
Out of pure laziness? Are you saying other cities couldn't pull it off?
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Of course, this game also will have the glitz and spectacle that comes with being just outside New York City — like having the Manhattan skyline in the distance.
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Being in the big city will give the league a chance to try making the big game even bigger, if that's even possible. Buildup will include everything from a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade to parties at internationally renowned destinations.
I can only assume that the NFL pre-game show for this will start in August 2012.
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Yet some places with new or newly renovated facilities haven't even had a chance to bid before because of their weather, such as Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago, New England, Seattle, Denver and Green Bay. Surely they will use this precedent to change, or at least loosen, the 50-degree rule for Super Bowl bids.
These cities should all be part of the bid process
I guess I'm just so very tired of hearing about how great NY is. I've spent a year of my life there and I DO like it but it's not the greatest place on earth like everyone wants you to think. Outside of Manhattan, the rest of the city is old and blah. Other cities are great too.
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but to have a super bowl decided because a guy couldn't feel his fingers or because the ball was hard as a rock seems to me to defeat the purpose, which is to find out who is the best team.
Wouldn't the same arguement hold true for all playoff games? Why allow an AFC championship game to be played in where a guy can't feel his hands?
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but to have a super bowl decided because a guy couldn't feel his fingers or because the ball was hard as a rock seems to me to defeat the purpose, which is to find out who is the best team.
Wouldn't the same arguement hold true for all playoff games? Why allow an AFC championship game to be played in where a guy can't feel his hands?
Because you play all season to earn home field advantage through the playoffs.. I see no reason to take that away to move to a neutral location... the super bowl is a predetermined neutral location...
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While it would upset me terribly to be considered, by your standards, a loser... I have to admit that I think the whole "cold weather super bowl" idea is stupid. I'm sure people will go and its true that both teams battle the same elements.. but to have a super bowl decided because a guy couldn't feel his fingers or because the ball was hard as a rock seems to me to defeat the purpose, which is to find out who is the best team. Is the best team the one that can endure the cold the best? Should that be a determining factor in deciding who is the best team? Pretty much every team plays at least the first 12 games of the season in moderate to warm temperatures.. then in the final few games and in the playoffs you get some cold and some snow in a handful of cities.. so I'm not sure why introducing that element to the super bowl makes it better.
I will say this though, New York is a pretty safe venue.. I would also think that Philly would be safe (maybe no physically but meteorilogically), DC would be safe and some others would be safe.. Average February temps in NYC is high of 40, low of 27... High 30s low 40s isn't even cold by football standards... there is a risk that it could be teens or that it could snow.. sure, that risk is there, but odds are weather will not be a factor.. now Buffalo, Cleveland, Minnesota (outside).. I would not be in favor of it.... plus the NFL would stand to lose a small fortune.. the media will follow the NFL to NYC in February in full force.. they will not do the same in Buffalo or Cleveland..
Now before some jerkwad goes to the extreme.. yes, the media will still cover the game but it will be with a lot less enthusiasm, less partying, fewer events.. the whole "experience" would diminish..ø and I know this board is full of Vince Lombardi purists.. but the money is in the partying and the attendance and the viewership.....
Sorry, "loser" was a bit harsh. 
To your point about a Super Bowl needing to be free of elements to determine the true best team...An AFC/NFC Championship game with <warm weather team> visiting <cold weather team> in snow would fall into the same argument. Heck, so would every regular season game. Being too hot, too cold, too wet, or on the road. Those are all factors for one team or both teams. To make it work in your argument, all games would have to be played at one neutral domed site equal distance from every team (the moon). Ha ha ha ha....you get where I'm going?
I just don't buy into the <cold weather team> BS anyway. Our team is filled with players from assorted college's. And those college's are filled with players from assorted high schools. Just because a guy is from OSU doesn't mean he likes the cold. He could be from Miami and only came to Ohio because of Tressel and the TV opportunites. So, an NFL team is a mixed bag of players that like or dislike the cold.
As far as the game itself. Sun, rain, sleet, or snow...that stadium will be full. Look, did anyone think the NHL would be selling out football/baseball stadiums for a New Years Day hockey game? They are. And the ticket for the Wrigely Field game was the toughest ticket in Chicago to get since the Bears were in the NFC CHampionship game (and probably a Bulls Finals before that). It's the Super Bowl....people will go, people will like NYC, and people will think the novelty is great.
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They should just rotate the Super Bowl around to each NFL city. There is no reason that an NFL city like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, or any other northern NFL city with an open air stadium should be shut out of the Super Bowl Cash Cow business.
Why should only certain NFL cities (or even non-NFL cities like LA) get to benefit?
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They should just rotate the Super Bowl around to each NFL city. There is no reason that an NFL city like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, or any other northern NFL city with an open air stadium should be shut out of the Super Bowl Cash Cow business.
Why should only certain NFL cities (or even non-NFL cities like LA) get to benefit?
I've asked that question before and to be honest, I've never gotten an answer...
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Anyone that complains about a cold weather Super Bowl is a loser. The tickets will sell, people will go, the teams are both battling the same elements, and it will be fun to watch.
I'm sick of the sterilized venues and their controllable climates. This is football. A cold weather sport. If you don't want to sit in the cold, stay home.
Don't call me a loser.
Of course the tickets will sell since the majority are given away by the league as perks for advertising/support....but answer me this bees wax.....if you were in line for a Super Bowl ticket....as a non fan of either team, which is most in the stadium....would you rather head to a cold weather site or a warm weather site?
So to keep it real, have you ever been above the arctic circle in Jan. (I have) and have you ever been to a warm climate beach in Jan?
We can call it cold weather months.
Trust me....actual fans like you and I are pretty scarce at a SB.
I can't say I would be mad about a seat in NYC in late Jan. but I can say I would rather be in Tampa or anywhere else it was going to be 70 or so....be it natural conditions or air conditioned.
NYC is the only city that is going to get a cold weather/outdoor game. CBS as an example will never get one.
There was probably a wink and a nod with the teams in NYC that if you build, we will come as a way to help pay for the thing.
Face it.....NYC has the ability to grease the wheel not many can .
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Why did I know you would be one of the guys griping about playing a SB in the cold??..lol.
I'm looking forward to it, and it will beat the climate controlled bull crap we've seen since the early days
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I have said it before and I will say it again. The superbowl should be played in the city whos team won the super bowl the year before. This would financially reward cities for their team winning the superbowl. An argument online has always been they wont play a superbowl in cold weather. Well thats not true anymore.
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Two sides to every coin,...
Now, a cold weather city "has" a Super Bowl,...
But, et al, Cleveland never will. (Pittsburgh, Denver, Cincy, etc.)
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Until Cleveland becomes a Renaissance City, something reborn and not the dirty, crappy festering dead city that it is, it will NEVER see a Super Bowl.
Things like Medical Mart bringing money to the coffers will help move it in that direction, and the addition of the casino will certainly help the cause.... but The Money that attends the week long spectacle that is the Super Bowl won't pay the premium dollars to come to Cleveland as long as it is the nothing trashfest that it is.
New York is getting it because it is New York, period. I wouldn't look for this to be some major precedent at all.
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I know Joe Willie is really pushing hard for a SuperBowl played in NY.
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Until Cleveland becomes a Renaissance City, something reborn and not the dirty, crappy festering dead city that it is, it will NEVER see a Super Bowl.
Things like Medical Mart bringing money to the coffers will help move it in that direction, and the addition of the casino will certainly help the cause.... but The Money that attends the week long spectacle that is the Super Bowl won't pay the premium dollars to come to Cleveland as long as it is the nothing trashfest that it is.
New York is getting it because it is New York, period. I wouldn't look for this to be some major precedent at all.
Exactly, that's the point,...it's not about cold weather.
What's fair is fair. New York, as a city, "shouldn't" have any more say in where this game is than any other. The NFL does have 32 teams. If Cleveland -- as an image (and I agree) -- is "so bad," why hasn't the NFL dropped them ?
It should rotate year-to-year.
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Long overdue IMO. Should be a outside cold weather city every few years.
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I like the idea, but it will only really be cool if it does snow for the game. Without snow, it won't look much different on my TV set, which is where I'll see the game.
heck, next year's is less than a 3 hour drive, but I'll be seeing it on my TV because there's no way I could afford to drop the $$$ necessary to go to a Superbowl.
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For a time they worked him on the offensive line, partly because he was so big, but Danso had no grasp of the stunts and the traps and the play calls that the others had learned from playing their whole lives. Even after he was switched to the more instinctive position of defensive tackle, he was bewildered when the coaches started talking about filling gaps.
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Although I like the idea of the SB rotating to all NFL cities and the game being played in the elements - some of the most epic games I ever saw were in brutal weather - I don't think Greater Cleveland has the hotel space to host a Super Bowl.
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Although I like the idea of the SB rotating to all NFL cities and the game being played in the elements - some of the most epic games I ever saw were in brutal weather - I don't think Greater Cleveland has the hotel space to host a Super Bowl.
And where the world has a leak, someone will hang a bucket.
It opens up a nice niche market for the week with people renting out their houses for $2000 while they go stay in a motel 6 somewhere and watch it on TV.
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Why did I know you would be one of the guys griping about playing a SB in the cold??..lol.
I'm looking forward to it, and it will beat the climate controlled bull crap we've seen since the early days
I am not griping....I understand why NYC got the game....it's NYC as I explained. I could see Chicago getting one as well.
Other than those two, who have something to offer that meets the requirements of what the NFL wants for it's marquee game, don't expect to see games in most of the north that doesn't have a dome.
It's just the way it is Willie. The NFL isn't going to throw it's big bash in a city that is going to be cold as heck unless it offers many top hotels, restaurants, and amenities.
Let's go to Buffalo, we can look at the falls.....that lasts for about 20 minutes.....now what? 
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What did Detroit offer? For the life of me, I don't see Detroit as having any more to offer than Cleveland other than a dome for gametime.
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What did Detroit offer? For the life of me, I don't see Detroit as having any more to offer than Cleveland other than a dome for gametime.
While I agree with your general conclusion regarding Detroit, the NFL loves to use the Super Bowl to showcase sparkling new facilities. Ford Field fit that bill in 2006 (plus it was an indoor facility).
If Cleveland had built an indoor facility for our return to the league, we probably would have hosted a Super Bowl within three years of our return.
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Detroit also has Windsor and its own casino's as an attraction. It isn't much, but it absolutely helps.
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Sorry DC, but the game was meant to be played in the cold. It was meant to have the environment actually play a part in the game.
You need just look at who the original teams were and where they played. Weather by its very nature is a part of football.
To insure it's played in the most desirable weather conditions is to dilute the very nature of the game itself. I liken it to the way the NFL has basicly put skirts on QB's.
Having a Super Bowl in the possible condition that it was meant to be played takes us back to the fundamental game of football the way it was meant to be and I for one would applaud such a move.
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Detroit also has Windsor and its own casino's as an attraction. It isn't much, but it absolutely helps.
I don't know PPE the casinos in Windsor and some of the mmmm "clubs" are pretty sweet!
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What did Detroit offer? For the life of me, I don't see Detroit as having any more to offer than Cleveland other than a dome for gametime.
As Purp said....to show off a new stadium....had it not had a dome.....no go.
If we put a lid on our facility, we might be in the running at some point....wirhout it.....fagedabodit.
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Detroit also has Windsor and its own casino's as an attraction. It isn't much, but it absolutely helps.
Don't they also have a casino in downtown Detroit?
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I'm not advocating Cleveland should because Detroit did, but pointing out the argument that NYC is an exception because it's NYC and has a lot of things to do during the media hype week.
Detroit didn't have anything to offer that week before other than a drive-by adventure tour.
I can see it now, a QB competition on Broadway in Times Square. It'll be like a second New Years Eve bash that Sunday.
And talk about a terrorist cell wanting to make a statement... The SB and NYC in a single event.
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Yea, DEtroit has a casino downtown, within walking distance of ford field. Like Ballpeen said if we get a roof on our stadium, I could see us getting the game. It's been discussed in the past, and I believe it wouldn't cost that much. maybe around $90 million, If I'm correct. I wouldn't care if we ever used the roof for browns games, just as long as it meant getting the super bowl, and final 4. It would do wonders for the city if you could host events like that.
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Yea, DEtroit has a casino downtown, within walking distance of ford field. Like Ballpeen said if we get a roof on our stadium, I could see us getting the game. It's been discussed in the past, and I believe it wouldn't cost that much. maybe around $90 million, If I'm correct. I wouldn't care if we ever used the roof for browns games, just as long as it meant getting the super bowl, and final 4. It would do wonders for the city if you could host events like that.
I think there are rules in place on how domes are to be used. teams can't selectively open and close the things to gain some sort of advantage depending on who is in town.
If it might rain, it has to be closed. If the temp isn't above a certain point....not sure what that might be.....say 65, it has to be closed.
Basically, unless it is a perfect fall afternoon with temps in the low 70's, CBS would be closed.....assuming we had a retractable dome.
Those new stadiums are pretty slick....where they slide the entire field in and out of the stadium so you can have a natural turf surface....some are on rollers and some are floated in....pump water in to raise the field like a barge, set it in place and pump the water back out to set it in place....that would have worked in Cleveland since there is a pretty fair amount of water not more than 200 yards away.
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Detroit also has Windsor and its own casino's as an attraction. It isn't much, but it absolutely helps.
Don't they also have a casino in downtown Detroit?
Yes, that would be the "and its own casino's" portion of the sentence 
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I think there are rules in place on how domes are to be used. teams can't selectively open and close the things to gain some sort of advantage depending on who is in town.
GB always let the grass grow nice and tall when Barry Sanders came to town. How would that be any different?
you might be right that they have those rules, but I am fully against them if they are there. it's the hometeams field, they should be able to gain an advantage from it.
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Detroit also has Windsor and its own casino's as an attraction. It isn't much, but it absolutely helps.
Don't they also have a casino in downtown Detroit?
Yes, that would be the "and its own casino's" portion of the sentence
did you add that afterward?
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