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The kid should have his name in the record books for a perfect game, because he did pitch a perfect game.
Did he? Are you sure he didn't have any pitches with 3 balls that were out of the zone but he got the strike call? ....
Just saying there were a LOT of calls before the obvious blown one..
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The kid should have his name in the record books for a perfect game, because he did pitch a perfect game.
Did he? Are you sure he didn't have any pitches with 3 balls that were out of the zone but he got the strike call? ....
Just saying there were a LOT of calls before the obvious blown one..
And none of those will be "overturned" either, as they shouldn't be. 
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Selig just announced that he will not overturn the call.
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Just checked some history on Wikipedia ... this isn't the first time a Perfect Game was blown on questionable ump'ing:
On July 4, 1908, Hooks Wiltse of the New York Giants hit Philadelphia Phillies pitcher George McQuillan on a 2–2 count in a scoreless game—the only time a 0–0 perfect game has been broken up by the 27th batter. Umpire Cy Rigler later admitted that he should have called the previous pitch strike 3. Wiltse pitched on, winning 1–0; his ten-inning no-hitter set a record for longest complete game no-hitter that has been tied twice but never broken
On September 2, 1972, Milt Pappas of the Chicago Cubs walked San Diego Padres pinch hitter Larry Stahl on a borderline 3–2 pitch. Pappas finished with a no-hitter. The umpire, Bruce Froemming, was in his second year; he went on to a 37-year career in which he umpired a record 11 no-hitters. Pappas believed he had struck out Stahl, and years later continued to bear ill will toward Froemming.
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Good research dude,.... Blown, but not overturned, and that is the key here.
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anyone else think we should have forced Huff to sit out this start? I was afraid that he wouldn't be completely back mentally, but we threw the kid out there anyway.
3innings, 5 ER, 0 SO
well, Sipp has no such excuse but at least we don't have to worry about a perfect game ending this time (though we might have a close game if Pronk could actually get a clutch HIT).
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Looks like the first that didn't at least result in a no-hitter, though. Gallaraga has every right to tell people "In 2010, I threw a perfect game.", IMO. Actually, he should tell people who threw the longest perfect game in MLB history... 28 outs 
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Gallaraga has every right to tell people "In 2010, I threw a perfect game.", IMO.
Maybe Al Gore can present him a Presidential Award commemorating the event.
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Gallaraga has every right to tell people "In 2010, I threw a perfect game.", IMO.
No he doesn't.
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Roger that,..
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They gave him a brand new Corvette. - Nice red one.
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Nice gesture...takes some salt out of the wound.
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Because there wasn't an error? Not by any of the players, anyway.
If, in the scorer's judgment, an out should have been recorded, he could have ruled an error. Actually, if the player's called safe because the pitcher didn't get there on time (which is what the ump basically called), he could be awarded an error, thus keeping the no-hitter in tact.
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Actually, if the player's called safe because the pitcher didn't get there on time (which is what the ump basically called), he could be awarded an error, thus keeping the no-hitter in tact.
This is incorrect. The only way the scorer could mark this as an error is if the pitcher drops the ball. Even then, if the play is very close, the scorer can (and often will) award the batter a hit. If the pitcher doesn't get to first on time, it is always scored an infield hit. It is no different than a runner beating out a throw from anywhere in the infield.
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Yeah, if the official scorer could rule a baserunner beating out a force at first as being an error on the person covering the base, there would be a lot of guys with lower batting averages and a lot of pitchers with much lower ERAs.
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Watched the game last night. I'm probably beating a dead horse, but why is LaPorta not playing more? Let's find out what we have. And where the heck is Santana? If we have any chance of contending in the next few years, lets see these guys. Let them figure out major league pitching.
Also, I like what Crowe and Donald bring to the table. Crowe's future is probably a fourth outfielder at best, but he plays hard. In contrast, I think Donald (while it's very early) could stick as a second baseman. He has a good approach at the plate.
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For Santana staying in the minors, I think it's actually been Marson handling the staff (Acta has come out a few times acknowledging him) and his defensive prowess (#1 in AL at catching base-runners).
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Yeah, I've heard that about Marson on the broadcasts. I'm just getting impatient. Its a long season, I should probably relax.
Another note, I watched the Tribe beat the ChiSox again tonight. Man, that's a fanbase that's gotta be cranky about how that team is playing. That team has a lot of payroll, a lot of vets, and a lot of talent to be hanging out close to the AL Central cellar.
Also, I really like Mitch Talbot. And not just for the wins, but especially in games where he gets in trouble. A few times this year, he gave up 4 runs in the 1st, but he didn't mail it in; he buckled down, kept us in it, and toughed out 5 or 6 innings. He seems to be very mature in that respect.
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The tribe's pitching hasn't been that bad. Carmona, and Talbot have been great. Westbrook has been steady. Huff is the only one that really sucks.
We still have a crappy pen. that's been our biggest problem for the last 7 years at least.
Overall it's not doom n gloom as everyone thinks here. It's a rebuilding year, but there is a light at the end of this tunnel.
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The tribe's pitching hasn't been that bad. Carmona, and Talbot have been great. Westbrook has been steady. Huff is the only one that really sucks.
We still have a crappy pen. that's been our biggest problem for the last 7 years at least.
Overall it's not doom n gloom as everyone thinks here. It's a rebuilding year, but there is a light at the end of this tunnel.
Yeah, I guess even a blown out, dead match exerts a little heat. But to use it for light,....ahh,...I don't think so.
8 wins now, of the 21 we have, are against Chicago and The Tribe is still in last. I will never quit, but this season is pretty much a goner.
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For Santana staying in the minors, I think it's actually been Marson handling the staff (Acta has come out a few times acknowledging him) and his defensive prowess (#1 in AL at catching base-runners).
Did a bit more research on Santana.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2010/06/hey_hoynsie_paul_hoynes_answer_79.html
I guess another part of the reason that Santana might stay down a little longer is that he could be good enough that he could be eligible for arbitration in two years as a "super two" if he is in the top 17% in the league (in what categories, I'm not sure of) rather than the norm of three years. I sometimes feel like the salary rules in MLB, NFL and NBA are more complex than the tax code.
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The tribe's pitching hasn't been that bad. Carmona, and Talbot have been great. Westbrook has been steady. Huff is the only one that really sucks.
Masterson has sucked badly too.
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Masterson has sucked badly too.
not really. he has the SO's and has actually done well against righties. his issue is he has really struggled against lefties because his slider tails off (to the inside on righties, but to the outside on lefties making it look like a meatball).
he has real promise that if he can fix that pitch, he could become a #2,3 starter. if not, he should be a great bullpen guy (against righties).
and I love that we at least OWN the white sox. if nothing else, I like beating them.
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Masterson throws way too many pitches and usually can't get past the 5th inning. Can't get out of jams. He does get a lot of SOs but he puts too many batters on base. He finally got his first win in 17 starts and still only went 5 2/3, despite only giving up one run. 6 BBs plus 2 HBP.
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I agree on Masterson. He allows way too many baserunners (1.82 WHIP), has problems with left hand hitters, and lacks the overall command to be a starter - at least at this point. He should probably still be at AAA, because right now, IMO, he is a late inning right-hand matchup guy for late innings. It doesn't really matter if you have electric stuff if you don't have location.
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The centerpiece of the Sabathia trade got sent down to Triple-A Columbus today...
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I saw that. I'm not happy. Pluto pointed out a few weeks ago that he hits righties better than lefties in his career, but they have been using him sparingly and more against lefties. Doesn't make any sense. IMO, you've got to give these guys several hundred consistent ABs to figure out what you really have. This business too of playing him 3 or 4 days a week, how do they expect him to figure out major league pitching?
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With the 5th pick the Indians select the Yankees next Cy Young/World Series MVP Drew Pomeranz!!!
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With the 5th pick the Indians select the Yankees next Cy Young/World Series MVP Drew Pomeranz!!!
since when do our draft picks pan out as good prospects?
seriously though, this kid was a dominant pitcher this year. so, that's 2 years in a row that we have taken dominant college pitchers that many believe still have upside left in them. that's not a bad angle to take on draft day.
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CC Sabathia was the last pitcher we drafted that did anything.
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CC Sabathia was the last pitcher we drafted that did anything.
1998 was such a long time ago.
also, didn't realize he had signed to be a Warrior at Hawaii for football. Was this before June Jones?
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I just realized that Sowers was the 6th overall pick in 2004. What a joke our drafting history is.
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Go look at all the draft results for most every team. The top of the draft isn't a guaranteed superstar for any team. The MLB draft is probably the hardest to get right out of the four major sports.
Heck, it's not an uncommon occurance for a team to not even sign their top picks.
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Baseball is sooo flawed. 3 years for a prospect is insane, sorry I dont buy into the minor league system. Its a bunch of crap as far as I am concerned. Baseball doesnt need 3/4 minor league systems. Look at a kid like Leake for the Reds, didnt play one inning in minor league ball and is tearing it up for the reds. Did strassburgh really need 6 starts in the minor league? I doubt it. Carlos Santana isnt in the majors...WHY?
I could fix baseball into 10 min if I were bud selig. First order HARD salary cap. 82 games. The season is too long as is. Pitch timers. 12 sec between pitches thats it. Also once a batter is in the batters box, he cant leave or call time unless he breaks a bat. I am SOOO sick of players leaving the box after every pitch, adjusting their gloves etc... Its ridiculous. Batboys are replaced by Bat smoking hot chicks. I also think the minors should be like the PS in football, after two seasons, youre no longer elligible. You can either play at the major league level or you can't. Also the DH is gone, sick of fat slobs like Paul Konerko and Pronk playing. Also a rookie wage scale similar to the NBA is in effect. Done! WOW! BASEBALL is fixed. So hard.
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Baseball isn't even closed to fixed in that scenario.
Looks, baseball, to the younger crowd is boring.
Shortening the season, making a "pitch clock", etc. is not going to change that. Baseball is a dying game. There's no fixing it, period.
All you would be doing in that scenario is losing the interest of the old baseball purists. The few fans the game actually does have left.
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