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Kobe won the MVP because of one quarter ... in a loss.
He got into a little groove against Utah and Phoenix ... and was really the only time in his career he's ever been efficient.
The law of averages returned and he was normal Kobe in the Finals. Gasol had a better body of work overall, and he and Artest are the reason they won Game 7. And how many championships does the city of Los Angeles owe to Derek Fisher? This guy always seems to pull out a big shot at the most opportune time ... always.
It looked like the moment got to Kobe tonight. He looked nervous ... tight ... and he played that way. When a ball just slips out of your hands ... that's nerves. His teammates bailed him out tonight, and now we'll have to hear about his legacy for the next several months. Oh joy.
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The only thing Kobe has proven in my mind is that if you give him the best big man in the league he will win. He certainly doesn't look anything like someone who should be involved in the discussion for the greatest of all time.
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Wouldn't have been disappointed with Gasol as MVP. He deserved consideration, and as much as anyone play crunchy when it was most necessary.
Ya' gotta think about who would have won it had Boston pulled this off ? Would we be screaming for Ray Allen because he had shutdown Kobe, or for Rondo, or Garnett,...Pierce ?
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All I've heard last two weeks is the history of the Celtics & Lakers being good for Basketball.....REALLY...I guess it is if your a Celtic or Laker fan but for regular b-ball fans is it exciting to see these two teams win 50% of all NBA titles, is it exciting knowing going into next season it might be this all over again,,,,really thats exciting.....what if your not a Celtic or Laker fan your not alowed to get excited, to me the NBA is trying way to hard to bring back the Bird Johnson era, yes great era but they go wayt over board with the Celtics & Lakers same way MLB does with the Yankess & Red Soxs....to me this Lakers Celtics thing is hurting the game, to me why watch anymore odds are the way the NBA OR MLB is set up it's gonna be Lakers next June and in October / November Yankees again....YA THATS EXCITING.... 
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It is pretty disheartening when its the same teams over and over again. But at least the spurs had a good run there for a bit. Hopefully another team (us) can rise up out of a small market and win a few.
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j/c Despite heavy LAPD presence, violence breaks out after Lakers' victory Crowds hurl bottles and other objects at police, smash marquees, jump on vehicles, break windows and light a small fire along Figueroa Street. At least one person is beaten unconscious. By Sam Allen and Kate Linthicum, Los Angeles Times June 18, 2010 Despite a massive Los Angeles police presence Thursday night, sporadic violence broke out near Staples Center after the Lakers defeated the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals. Crowds hurled bottles and other objects at police, smashed marquees, jumped on vehicles, broke windows, and set rubbish dumpsters and vehicles on fire along Figueroa Street north of Staples Center and on Flower Street. Police fired non-lethal rounds to disperse the crowd at Figueroa and Venice Boulevard after several small fires were set, as well as at 11th and Hope streets. At 7th and Flower, a car believed to be a taxicab was engulfed in flames. ยป Don't miss a thing. Get breaking news alerts delivered to your inbox. At least one person was beaten unconscious as fights broke out on Flower Street near Olympic Boulevard. A bicyclist was injured when struck by a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department vehicle near 11th and Flower streets, according to the LAPD. In all, there were multiple injuries but no loss of life, officials said. One police officer suffered a broken nose. As night wore on, fire crews responded to many rubbish fires and some vehicle fires, according to the Los Angeles Fire Department. The LAPD declared an unlawful assembly moments after the game ended. Hundreds of officers in patrol cars, on foot and on horseback moved in to clear streets and break up the crowds. At least 12 people were arrested for crimes including public drunkenness, vandalism and inciting a riot. One person was arrested for assault on a police officer, authorities said. Several dozen people rushed onto the 10 Freeway near Figueroa and Washington boulevards, disrupting traffic, the California Highway Patrol said. At 8th and Figueroa, Lakers fans and a phalanx of more than two dozen police, wearing riot gear and wielding batons, faced off. The stand-off began when a bunch of fans tore down a traffic sign and then ripped out two newspaper stands and lighted the papers on fire. When the police marched up Figueroa, about two dozen abreast, the crowd slowly receded. Some people were throwing energy drinks, which had been passed out for free after the win. Others posed for photos in front of the line of police. A group of overzealous fans began smashing the windows of a black Honda and trying to turn it over. Others protested the violence: "You isn't from L.A.! This is L.A. No burning!" one person in a Kobe Bryant jersey shouted. The YMCA at 11th and Olive Street was vandalized as taggers marked graffiti up and down the side of a wall. Another person upended a traffic sign and bashed in several windows. That was too much for two men. "It's getting too hot, dog," one of them said to his friend. "Let's bounce!" The LAPD reported that things seemed to be calming down after 11 p.m. In 2000, the LAPD was criticized after mayhem erupted following the Lakers' championship victory. Roaming mobs torched vehicles and looted and vandalized businesses near Staples Center with seeming impunity. The department fared better after last year's championship but still needed a few hours to gain control of rowdy fans. Top LAPD officials had vowed to do things differently this year and relied, in part, on a strategy of keeping large groups from roaming the area around Staples Center. As the Lakers battled the Celtics in the first half, crowds began to form at the Nokia Theatre plaza across from Staples Center. Witnesses said the LAPD was quick to respond when the throng began to grow. A black-and-white police cruiser drove through the middle of the plaza, splitting the crowd as officers on foot began to move people from the area, according to diners at nearby restaurants. "It was controlled chaos. They blocked them and pinched them so everyone had to leave out the same side," said John Hall of Bakersfield, who watched the scene unfold from the ESPN Zone. With the plaza area cleared, officers shut down Figueroa Street at Olympic Boulevard to pedestrian traffic. About 100 people gathered at the corner after they were stopped from heading south toward Staples Center. Some of them crowded the window at La Bella Covina restaurant, trying to watch the game on a television inside. Police patrol cars lined Chick Hearn Plaza. Two trucks of police in riot gear and another group of officers on horseback lined up along Figueroa and Olympic as people assembled nearby. Meanwhile, inspectors with the Los Angeles Fire Department were checking bars to ensure they had not exceeded maximum capacity. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0618-lakers-20100618,0,3239781.story
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The only thing Kobe has proven in my mind is that if you give him the best big man in the league he will win. He certainly doesn't look anything like someone who should be involved in the discussion for the greatest of all time.
I've been saying this all season. Every championship he's won he's had the best scoring, best low post player in the game. That is not said to diminish his accomplishments but to merely point out something that a lot of people don't seem to understand. Kobe is their best player, he is their catalyst, they don't win without him. But anyone that plays basketball understands the luxury of having a big that can play offense ... and Kobe has had the best one in all of his championships.
The Kobe legacy stuff and the comparisons to MJ are nauseating. He's a great player, Top 10 for sure ... but I don't see where they are all that close. Jordan had his sidekick, but he was a wing player. Jordan was his teams best wing player and best low post player. He was a better defender than Kobe (by a large margin), he was more efficient, and he played his best when the stakes were the highest.
And many people think their games are similar. They're not. The thing they have in common is the will and determination. Something LeBron could use some huge doses of.
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Kobe is not in MJ's stratosphere. Only LA fans think that.
I don't even put Kobe up to Magic's levels yet. He's getting close and tied him in championships, but Magic was such a facillitator on both ends and he was willing to do anything for his team to win (rather than pout and quit when the going got rough).
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I've come to the conclusion that LA fans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. My soon to be wife is from LA as is all her family and friends. The Kobe - MJ debates happen quite often and their first argument is always: Well Jordan never scored 81 points in a game.  (That is the first time I've ever used the brickwall and it was so appropriate.) LA fans are nauseating. And Kobe fans are even worse.
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my wife is a SoCal girl and a Laker fan. Thankfully, when the Kobe vs. Shaq feud was happening, she sided with Shaq.
So, she still cheers for Fisher, but can't stand the rest of the new-look Lakers (including Kobe).
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I think your wife is the exception. I think it's funny how most LA fans have completely disowned Shaq - the best player on a three-peat for them. To hear them tell it, it was all Kobe and Shaq was a complimentary player.
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Just be happy you live in Vegas and only have to put up with second hand crazy Laker fans. I have to listen to all the nut-jobs on sports talk all the time. 
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Are you in LA?
Vegas is like LA-light. But I'm sure it's not as bad here as it is there. But I'll bet there are at least some semi-intelligent LA basketball fans out there. That doesn't seem to exist on any level here.
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I think your wife is the exception. I think it's funny how most LA fans have completely disowned Shaq - the best player on a three-peat for them. To hear them tell it, it was all Kobe and Shaq was a complimentary player.
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I know. I'm lucky she's always loved Shaq's goofiness and then Kobe ruined any chance at fan reconciliation with her by either raping a girl or at the very least cheating on his wife in Colorado (since everything was done off-the-books, we'll never really know what happened).
In fact, I'm not sure she wouldn't have cheered for the Cavs over the Lakers if we would have made it to the Finals this year.
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No, I'm in San Diego ... but we get a lot of the LA Sports radio feeds. Don't know if you familiar with Steve Hartman and Vick the Brick? It's nauseating. Gospel radio is low key compared to this worshipping. If Kobe isn't getting any pleasurable services from his wife anytime soon, I'm sure he could stop by the show and get something done, live on the air. 
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I'm not sure who I hate more: Stephen A. or Vick the Brick. (Still can't believe they pulled the Steve Zaban show for Stephen A. And I still can't believe they pulled Andrew Siciliano for Petros and Money w/many appearances by Vick the Brick.) I'm just shaking my head at both of those moves. Makes me think Fox Sports Radio is about the worst run organization in the world.
But I honestly think Vick the Brick would have to get in the "pleasuring Kobe" line behind Marc Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy. Listening to those two fawn over him was sickening, completely unprofessional, and generally disgusting. I couldn't help but think they were interviewing for the potential Lakers HC opening. It made me sick to my stomach.
And on a final note, SD is the best place in the country. Should have moved there right out of school. I would never leave. I'm jealous.
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Didn't watch the game or anyother nba game following the Cavs loss, it hurt too much.
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We should have a radio victims support group. 
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"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
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We are Lebron signing, an elite coach, a great center, and an allstar caliber point guard that doesnt choke when it matters from getting this done 
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i think with the right coach, they might be able to help our current pg out. although i do agree, if we can trade him and upgrade somehow, i'm all for it. i'd swap ellis and williams right now if i could even though i'm not high on ellis.
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One blogger did put up a good point about Kobe/Lebron: LeBron, Game 6: 27 points, 8-21 shooting, 19 rebounds, 10 assists. Satan. Kobe, Game 7: 23 points, 6-24 shooting, 15 rebounds, 2 assists. Champion. (and MVP)
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the 9 turnovers did us in.
ya know, everything went south after that left handed free throw at the end of the chicago closeout.
still scratching my head on that. almost like he was sending some kind of a message.
the only other time he really showed up was in game 3 in boston and the whole team showed up that game. remember it was everyone's favorite pg mo williams who bailed us out of game 1 against boston.
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Thats a good point. Even more in depth look would be to look at teammates. Gasol, Artest, Bynum vs.....Mo Williams, Twaun, and Shaq?
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Others posed for photos in front of the line of police.
This made me laugh. Otherwise, it's just stupid LA being what it is (stupid). I hate that town more than anywhere else.
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Where are you in the San Diego area (I'm in Oceanside, west of the 5)?
I avoid LA like the plague. Words can never adequately describe my hate for that city and its stereotypical populace (stereotypes are true far more often than people will admit, btw).
Kobe played well enough, I think. He didn't get anything going because he always had 2-3 people in his face. When he did try to do anything but pass, he'd get mugged.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Thats a good point. Even more in depth look would be to look at teammates. Gasol, Artest, Bynum vs.....Mo Williams, Twaun, and Shaq?
no question. although for everyone banging on the cavs' supporting cast, those guys are pretty good when lebron is playing well, they were built well around lbj but when he wasn't at his best or he was hurt, or whatever, they just couldn't cut it.
artest had his ups and downs, and you just know he drove laker fans crazy. but jeez, gasol is so good. phil never had a big man that good in chicago, would have been crazy to have seen what they could have done. maybe they actually get that chip without mike those 2 years.
gasol definitely >>> horace grant or any of those other big guys.
he was really good, very solid, but when they brought him over, his game went up. there have been games all year, including the playoffs where maybe kobe was off, and he'd carry that team. we don't have a guy like that.
and i am sure a lot of you have heard the bosh rumors. i think it's garbage. the only way those are even remotely true is if lebron is in his ear. but i just can't see lbj tipping his hand at this point. if he were gonna do that i'd think it'd be after he visits all these teams.
plus, bosh did not list the cavs as one of his teams, so unless there is some kind of some trickeration going on here, i don't believe it.
would be awesome though. he'd be our gasol. and i think we could make due.
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I don't think Bosh is quite as good as Gasol but I would be willing to bet that LeBron is just enough above Kobe to even things out. The rest would come down to our supporting casts, and depending on the moves we make we probably have the edge there even after acquiring Bosh.
However, Bosh is just a fantasy I think.
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I don't think Bosh is quite as good as Gasol but I would be willing to bet that LeBron is just enough above Kobe to even things out. The rest would come down to our supporting casts, and depending on the moves we make we probably have the edge there even after acquiring Bosh.
However, Bosh is just a fantasy I think.
gasol also is 4 years older and plays on a great team...
i agree about the bosh thing being a fantasy. no way is there any truth to that a week and a half before free agency opens.
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One blogger did put up a good point about Kobe/Lebron:
LeBron, Game 6: 27 points, 8-21 shooting, 19 rebounds, 10 assists. Satan.
Kobe, Game 7: 23 points, 6-24 shooting, 15 rebounds, 2 assists. Champion. (and MVP)
Kobe's team gave up 79 points. LeBron's gave up 94.
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If any of you think Bosh would make a good pimple on Gasol's behind you must not know NBA basketball. Also I can tell any of you Cavs fans what the facts should tell you and you deny (which is obvious by all the Kobe bashing going on) that Kobe and the Lakers are the best in the NBA at this time and will remain that way until someone knocks them out. More likely than not the Lakers will 3 peat and you will still bash a player that you would love to have on your team! Jerry West said that Kobe will go down as one of the top 2 or 3 players of all time and he should know. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Really? Please enlighten me,
Bosh career average: 20 points 9 rebounds
Gasol career average: 19 points 11 rebounds
They look the same to me.
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For some reason, 3 rings as a teams second best player (during shaqs era), and scoring a ton of points and taking a ton of shots makes someone an all time top 5 to you.
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He's not even the best laker right now, that title belongs to Magic. Also how is Kobe better than Duncan?
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If any of you think Bosh would make a good pimple on Gasol's behind you must not know NBA basketball.
This is probably a bit dramatic, as we're not comparing a high school freshman to an NBA player. Gasol is the most versatile big man in the NBA and a terrific player. Bosh is an All-Star, and is not as far behind as you say.
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Also I can tell any of you Cavs fans what the facts should tell you and you deny (which is obvious by all the Kobe bashing going on) that Kobe and the Lakers are the best in the NBA at this time and will remain that way until someone knocks them out. More likely than not the Lakers will 3 peat and you will still bash a player that you would love to have on your team!
I think there has been some Kobe bashing, but the main point was that LeBron got torched by the national media for his performance in the Celtics series, and Kobe is getting treated like a god for a performance in the Finals that wasn't that much different. The point is that it is a team thing.
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West should know, as he handed Pau Gasol to Kobe's Lakers. If that trade never happened, I don't think we are talking about back to backs by the Lakers. I think we would still be talking about how Kobe can't win one without a big (without Shaq).
IMO, that has to go down as one of the most ridiculous trades in NBA history. Aaron McKie was an assistant coach for the 76ers at the time. How he was allowed to be included in that trade I still can't figure out. I know it was technically within the rules, but these kinds of things are silly. If you're going to have salary caps, and make it so salaries have to match on trades in the interest of fairness, then have some kind of oversight.
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Really? Please enlighten me,
Bosh career average: 20 points 9 rebounds
Gasol career average: 19 points 11 rebounds
Let me enlighten you, You can throw all the stats around that you want but only one counts!
Bosh 0 title's
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How about 5 rings and the fact that Magic Johnson said Kobe deserves a statue outside Staple's Center. As far as the Shaq comment you know as well as anyone those title's would not have been won without either of them.
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Phil is going no where and Bosh is not going to put any team over the top. God you Cavs fans act like LeBron has already signed. NOT!
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8x all defensive team
2x all defensive second team
There you go with stats again. The only stat that anyone will ever remember is the rings and believe me when I say he is not done. This season he played hurt all year and he will be ready when next season comes around. No Olympics or international play this off season, just surgery and preparation for a 3 peat! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Let me enlighten you, You can throw all the stats around that you want but only one counts!
Bosh 0 title's
Gasol 2 title's
If that's all that counts, then:
Bosh 0 titles
Josh Powell 2 titles
Is there any conceivable way to argue that Josh Powell is better than Chris Bosh? No, the Lakers are a much better team than the Raptors. Number of titles says little about individual players; it indicates who the best teams are.
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Let me enlighten you, You can throw all the stats around that you want but only one counts
Bosh 0 title's
Gasol 2 title's
That's awesome! So Robery Horry > Kobe Bryant because horry has 10 rings? Also is Pau Gasol better than Charles Barkley or Carl Malone?
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How about 5 rings and the fact that Magic Johnson said Kobe deserves a statue outside Staple's Center.
Of course magic is going to say nice things about Kobe. He says nice things about every freakin lakers player
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As far as the Shaq comment you know as well as anyone those title's would not have been won without either of them
Oh here's some more stats for you:
KOBE BRYANT STATS 2000 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 14 pts (6/13) - 3 Reb - 5 As. - 2 TO
GAME 2 - 2 pts (1/3) - 1 Reb - 4 As. -0 TO
GAME 3 - DNP
GAME 4 - 28 Pts (14/27) - 4 Reb - 5 As. - 3 TO
GAME 5 - 8 Pts (4/20) - 5 Reb - 3 As. - 0 TO
GAME 6 - 26 Pts (8/27) - 10 Reb - 4 As. - 1 TO
KOBE BRYANT STATS 2001 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 15 pts (7/22) - 3 Reb - 5 As. - 6 TO
GAME 2 - 31 pts (11/23) - 8 Reb - 6 As. - 2 TO
GAME 3 - 32 pts (13/30) - 6 Reb - 3 As. - 3 TO
GAME 4 - 19 pts (6/13) - 10 Reb - 9 As. - 4 TO
GAME 5 - 26 pts (7/18) - 12 Reb - 6 As. - 3 TO
KOBE BRYANT STATS 2002 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 22 Pts (6/16) - 3 Reb - 6 As. - 4 TO
GAME 2 - 24 Pts (9/24) - 8 Reb - 3 As. - 4 TO
GAME 3 - 36 Pts (14/23) - 6 Reb - 4 As. - 6 TO
GAME 4 - 25 Pts (7/16) - 6 Reb - 8 As. - 1 TO
SHAQ STATS 2000 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 43 pts (21/31) - 19 Reb - 4 As. - 2 TO
GAME 2 - 40 pts (11/18) - 24 Reb - 4 As. - 2 TO
GAME 3 - 33 pts (15/24) - 13 Reb - 1 As. - 3 TO
GAME 4 - 36 pts (13/25) - 21 Reb - 1 As. - 3 TO
GAME 5 - 35 pts (17/27) - 11 Reb - 3 As. - 3 TO
GAME 6 - 41 pts (19/32) - 12 Reb - 1 As. - 0 TO
SHAQ STATS 2001 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 44 pts (17/28) - 20 Reb - 5 As. - 4 TO
GAME 2 - 28 pts (12/19) - 20 Reb - 9 As. - 5 TO (was 2 blocks and 1 As. away from QUAD-DUB)
GAME 3 - 30 pts (11/20) - 12 Reb - 3 As. - 3 TO
GAME 4 - 34 pts (13/25) - 14 Reb - 5 As. - 3 TO
GAME 5 - 29 pts (10/18) - 13 Reb - 2 As. - 5 TO
SHAQ STATS 2002 NBA FINALS
GAME 1 - 36 pts (12/22) - 16 Reb - 1 As. - 5 TO
GAME 2 - 40 pts (14/23) - 12 Reb - 8 As. - 4 TO
GAME 3 - 35 pts (12/19) - 11 Reb - 2 As. - 2 TO
GAME 4 - 34 pts (12/20) - 12 Reb - 4 As. - 3 TO
Averaged out that is 35.9 Pts (13.9/23.4) 59% 15.3 REB. 3.5 As. 2.0 TO
That is one of the MOST DOMINANT PLAYOFF STAT LINES EVER and would carry damn near anybody to a championship
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Phil is going no where and Bosh is not going to put any team over the top. God you Cavs fans act like LeBron has already signed. NOT!
Are you a laker fan or a kobe nut hugger? Bosh is a top 10-15 player in the NBA. I gues he isn't good enough to be a #2 huh? How do you know Phil won't leave? The lakers are going to cut his salary. The Cavs are offering him more money. Also if we get bosh I guarantee LeBron will resign.
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There you go with stats again. The only stat that anyone will ever remember is the rings and believe me when I say he is not done. This season he played hurt all year and he will be ready when next season comes around. No Olympics or international play this off season, just surgery and preparation for a 3 peat!
Oh my lord..... Kobe has 1 more ring than Duncan and that's because he rode Shaq for 3 of them. You just contradicted yourself BTW by posting Gasol rings as a stat to compare. Also I posted award and accomplishments. Please keep trying though. It's funny stuff.
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This is probably a bit dramatic, as we're not comparing a high school freshman to an NBA player. Gasol is the most versatile big man in the NBA and a terrific player. Bosh is an All-Star, and is not as far behind as you say.
You are level headed about this but lets not leave Andrew Bynum out of this discussion. He has the potential to be one of the best bigs in the league. Putting Gasol and Bynum under the basket gives the Laker's a huge advantage. Bosh can not handle Gasol and Bynum so the Lakers are huge to a point that Bosh will mean nothing.
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think there has been some Kobe bashing, but the main point was that LeBron got torched by the national media for his performance in the Celtics series, and Kobe is getting treated like a god for a performance in the Finals that wasn't that much different. The point is that it is a team thing.
I agree but the point is that the Laker are head and shoulders a better team than the Cavs. I mean look at the Cavs, they have no coach ( maybe getting a former Laker) they have no GM, and they have not even signed LeBron let alone Bosh and some still want to talk crap! 
As far as the Gasol trade goes, that is what jealous teams worry about. It was done and the rings keep coming. If it was OK by the league then any other team in the NBA could pull off the same deal.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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When was the last time Bynum played a full season? His lack of durability is going to keep him from ever being a dominant big man.
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