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SEATTLE (AP) - The president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild says an officer was justified in punching a young woman who shoved him in a dispute over jaywalking.
Rich O'Neil told KCPQ-TV that punching her in the face was an appropriate use of force as the officer struggled with two women and a crowd formed. O'Neil says it's wrong to call the punch police brutality or racist.
Cell phone video shows Officer Ian P. Walsh trying to control two women Monday and punching a 17-year-old in the face.
Actingdeputy police chief Nick Metz has said the women bear much of the responsibility for resisting arrest.
Seattle Urban League CEO James Kelly says the punch was an overreaction that brought to mind a video taken April 17 of two Seattle officers kicking a Hispanic suspect.
I'm not sure I blame the officer in this situation. I think the punch was over the line but when did it become alright for people to put their hands on an officer of the law.
I'm sure there was a better way to handle himself in this instance. Of course if he had stunned the girl that would have been wrong also. What is the officer to do when the person being detained gets physical?
Quote: when did it become alright for people to put their hands on an officer of the law.
Never did. It is assaulting an officer, and cause for arrest.
Throwing a punch is not out of line, IMO.
It's out of the norm for sure, but if they were putting their hands on him, he has to keep the situation manageable and defend himself, and also ensure that no one gets their hands on his weapon.
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Initial reaction after watching the video....officer was in the right.
I don't know what was said or done before the video started.....but you DON'T put your hands on a cop, period. If you fight with a cop while he's trying to arrest you, you open yourself up to a severe beating. Sorry, its the way it goes.
If the cop says you're jaywalking, you think he's full of crap, the accept the ticket and go fight the ticket at city hall. DON'T try walking away, verbally abuse him, or fight him. Even if you KNOW he's wrong. Lay your hand on a cop, you will get beaten.
I know that.
Sure, punching a woman is over the line. But I can't pass judgement on a guy getting beat on by two women when he was just trying to write one $70 ticket.
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Quote: There's no respect for police officers anymore. I understand that some of them abuse their power, but it's a small percentage.
Thats because cops deserve it. They're basically modern day version of Sheriff of Nottingham. That cop had napoleon syndrome, going after them for Jaywalking. What a joke. Granted their reaction was the wrong one, and punching the girl in the face was also a bad move, so I guess after the fact its the right decision. But he looked so nervous out there, doubt he should even be a police officer.
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1) The officer was wrong for Mike Tyson'ing the chick. The excessive force was not necessary.
2) After the punch.. why couldn't he get the girl into handcuffs.. she was barely moving to try and get away.. would hate to see an actual criminal, and a guy, get into it with him.
Quote: 1) The officer was wrong for Mike Tyson'ing the chick. The excessive force was not necessary.
2) After the punch.. why couldn't he get the girl into handcuffs.. she was barely moving to try and get away.. would hate to see an actual criminal, and a guy, get into it with him.
so you suppose the cop should have let the two girls to continue to assault him? lets say he let them continue.. what if they got his gun? in the end, the girls are lucky it didnt escalate to a tazing or baton to the body. you assault someone, expect to get hit back,
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Quote: There's no respect for police officers anymore. I understand that some of them abuse their power, but it's a small percentage.
Thats because cops deserve it. They're basically modern day version of Sheriff of Nottingham. That cop had napoleon syndrome, going after them for Jaywalking. What a joke. Granted their reaction was the wrong one, and punching the girl in the face was also a bad move, so I guess after the fact its the right decision. But he looked so nervous out there, doubt he should even be a police officer.
They deserve it? Quite the blanket statement. Why do they deserve it?
Punching the girl in the face was much nicer than tasering her, pepper spraying her, or whippin' out his ass baton and taking her down with it. I would have been fine with any of those just as I'm fine with the punch. Who do they think they are that they can put their hands on a police officer? And once you put your hands on a police officer, especially when it has the potential to have more than one person attacking you, then the police officer has one obligation at that point ... and that's to make it home to his family alive.
He deserved it? Why? He didn't do anything wrong. They did.
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for so many of you to be so conservative, i find it funny that you think this was alright.
he could have handled it better, and the women could have done better also. but it is what it is, a sissy cop that can't subdue two women. i'm sure the section of his training on how to get a women into cuffs does not include punching to the face. try a head lock, arm twist, threats with taser or a gun even with a " get back b%@ch "
if a guy flails arms he gets slamed, cuffed, ruffed up into car etc. thats fine. but rarely gets punced first thing. but wow just decking the chick. yeah she was wrong. but what in considered excessive?
honest question here. honest now, even for the closet racist. what if that was a black cop that punched a white girl after she got mad about a jaywalking ticket.
i'll be honest. i dont like black OR white cops lol. so i usually side agains the cops, so i'll admit my favoritism. some say its ok to hit a woman in the right situation , but i dont think this was even close to being near that line. jmo
The cop might have been anal for stopping them, but them gives them no right to argue, and put their hands on the cop. This is the "I do what I want, I don't have to follow the rules," attitude that is so prevalent in our society today.
Because cops are creeps. They forget the protect and serve and are only out to take money and hand out tickets. They're the modern day tax man. Its pathetic, they're a pawn. No respect from me will ever be given to a cop. In my experience they're incompetent losers. Look at that total wuss on film. Why would I respect him who is going after his ticket quota for jaywalking. IMO that cop should be fired, but he wont be.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
There is really no justifiable reason for that guy to deck her. He could've easily wrapped her in a bear hug and pinned her against the car, applying the cuffs from there. Easily.
However .... you hit a cop, you should know what's coming.
My aunt is a Parole Officer and I think she holds a lower opinion of police officers than I do. Plus all you have to do is think about all the things you can get a ticket for, held in jail against you will for up 24 hours without being charged for just looking at a cop wrong. The police hold all of the cards, you hold squat. They're not held accountable for their actions and people act like they should be given a parade for doing their job.
I was also witness to a police killing which was quietly swept under the rug while in college. Outside a restaurant, a man had his hands up, was cooperating, and the police still tazed him. Well they tazed him in the chest, putting him in cardiac arrest. He died there on the sidewalk. Was the cop reprimanded for this murder? Of course not. This barley even made the news regardless of my statement or my friends with me.
Also think about a speed limit and how it differs from state to state. In Ohio its 65, in Texas its 75. In Ohio you do $75 down a highway its a fine. In Texas its not. Are you more dangerous in Ohio than in Texas? No, its about money, not about protecting the citizens of Ohio. Yet they pay these men to sit out there and hassle you, make you feel feel bad about going over an arbitrary number on your odometer because you're late for work. Its all about feeding the governement with money, thats why they have ticket quotas. Its shameful. They basically shake you down.
"The medium for the bad news was ESPN, which figured. The network represents much of what is loud, obnoxious and empty in sports today."
An officer is trying to subdue someone. Regardless of the validity of his decision to detain the suspect, no on-looker has the right to interfere with the officer's actions, and when physical force is used on the officer, physical force is an acceptable retaliation.
Of course the NAACP has to voice their concerns. I don't blame them. I also don't lend their beliefs any credence in this case.
Frankly, she's lucky he just hit her with a pedestrian shot. He could have really put something behind it, or even pulled a taser.
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I've learned if you show respect to the cop, without arguing, or blowing a gasket, they give you little trouble. If you argue with them, you better be rest assured you will not get a break. It's just the way it is.
AS far as speding I usually only go 5-7 mph over the speed limit. Never been given a speeding ticket. One time I was running late for a trip to columbus, and went 90-100 for about 2hrs on 71. But I was always looking out for the state patrol in the medians, and in my mirrors as well. UNless they're hiding near the guard rail, it's quite easy to spot a highway patrolman. But I do agree the fines could be severe. Just have to watch out for them.
Quote: Because cops are creeps. They forget the protect and serve and are only out to take money and hand out tickets. They're the modern day tax man. Its pathetic, they're a pawn. No respect from me will ever be given to a cop. In my experience they're incompetent losers. Look at that total wuss on film. Why would I respect him who is going after his ticket quota for jaywalking. IMO that cop should be fired, but he wont be.
God forbid police that they actually enforce laws.. remind me not to feel sorry for you if you get hit by a speeder as you jaywalk across a busy street. or if you hit some jaywalker because they are crossing the street where they are not suppose to.
I can understand some outrage when they set up obvious speed traps in certain areas where they can easily catch 20 speeders at a time, ie. a place where the limit drops from 50 to 35 in a poof. But knocking them for writing a speeding ticket or jaywalking in any and all instances is just pure hatred of cops in general. If you don't want them to enforce the laws, then why even have any law?
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When you watch the video the police officer appears to be attempting to cuff the lady in the black blouse. This can be done because she is under arrest or for the officers safety. The second lady comes in and breaks the officers hold on the lady and pushes him away. The NAACP should be more concerned with using their influence to tell people how to properly act in these situations as they only encourage civil disobedience now.
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What could have been a mere jaywalking citation turned into a shoving match and ended with a Seattle Police Officer punching a 17-year-old girl in the face.
With all the shouting going on it didn't take long for a crowd to gather.
"This officer was surrounded by an ever growing group that was starting to form. This could have been a tragedy," says Rich O'Neill with the Seattle Police Officer's Guild.
O'Neill says this was an appropriate use of force.
"The officers are trained in boxing techniques, in closed fist strikes. When an officer is knocked off their feet and knocked to the ground, especially with a group that's around horrible things can happen. People can start grabbing for their weapon or duty belt," says O'Neill.
In fact, for nearly two minutes after the officer punches the teenage girl, the video shows her friend continuing to try to break away. He was surrounded with no help from other officers.
"For people to call this some sort of police brutality or racist incident is wrong," says O'Neill.
Former Seattle Police Officer Jason McKissack knows all too well how a simple arrest can escalate into a dangerous situation. He was trying to break up a fight two years ago when the suspects attacked him.
"He was running at me from maybe ten feet away and he does a soccer kick to my face," says McKissack.
"The group turned on Jason and knocked him down. They kicked and beat him. This is what's in the mind of our officers when they're out on the street," says O'Neill.
McKissack isn't on the force anymore. He suffered a traumatic brain injury that's forever changed his life. It's yet another reminder to other officers of what can happen on the job.
"We went through a horrible year here where we had officers brutally gunned down. We've had officers assaulted and officers are not paid to get hurt," says O'Neill.
O'Neill says this incident is a reminder to teens and people of all ages that it is never alright to put your hands on an officer. Assistant Chief Nick Metz also held a news conference Tuesday and says he understands why some people might call the officer's actions into question.
"Let's face it, force never looks good. It's never pretty. You have to take into context everything that occurred from the point the officer made contact with the individuals up to the time the situation ended," says Metz.
Metz says Franklin High School asked Seattle Police to enforce the jaywalking law outside campus because of all the students that don't use the sky bridge to safely cross the street.
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The video was distributed on YouTube and shows the officer trying to restrain a woman when another intervened. The woman who intervened was punched in the face. Officials with the NAACP are calling for the resignation of interim Seattle Police Chief John Diaz. James Bible, the head of the NAACP, says, "I would hope that he would step away based on this incident and so many others on his own. I think that at this stage that would be the dignified thing to do."
According to the police report, on June 14 an officer saw several people jaywalking on the 3100 block of MLK Jr. Way. The officer stopped a man and while talking to the 18 year old, he saw four women jaywalking at the same street. He then told the females to step over to his vehicle.
The police report reveals the women were "verbally antagonistic toward the officer."
One of the women began to turn and walk away. The officer told the woman to step over to his car. She continued to walk away and appeared to raise her hand in a dismissive gesture. The officer contacted the woman and began escorting her back toward his car.
According to the report, the woman began to tense up her arm and pull away from the officer while yelling at him. The woman refused to obey the officer's commands to place her hands on the car. When the officer again tried to gain control of her, she pulled away and twisted, breaking free of the officer's grip several times.
At this time a large crowd gathered around the officer. When the officer tried to handcuff the female, another woman intervened. The report says, "The second female subject placed her hands on the officer's arm, causing the officer to believe she was attempting to physically affect the first subject's escape. The officer pushed the second subject back, but she again came at the officer, at which time he punched her. The second subject moved away and the officer was able to handcuff the first subject and place her in the back seat of his patrol car."
The second woman was also handcuffed and restrained.
Both suspects are teenagers. A 19 year old female was booked into the King County Jail for Obstructing an Officer. The 17-year-old female, who was punched, was booked into the Youth Service Center for Investigation of Assault on an Officer. Both suspects were cited for jaywalking.
Seattle Police report nobody appeared to be injured as a result of the altercation.
Medics responded to scene and and evaluated the 17 year old teen as a precautionary measure.
Quote: No respect from me will ever be given to a cop.
But who will be the first person you call for help when someone decides to tune you up for whatever reason ? Someone breaks into your home ? People like you amuse me with your ramblings about how unjust and evil police are when in reality they are there to protect you from the less constrained members of our society . I hope you never have a reason to call these people that you have so much distain for and furthermore I hope that if you do ever need to call them that they take just a hair longer to come to your aid...maybe that'll give you a little more objectivity.
Quote: No respect from me will ever be given to a cop.
But who will be the first person you call for help when someone decides to tune you up for whatever reason ? Someone breaks into your home ? People like you amuse me with your ramblings about how unjust and evil police are when in reality they are there to protect you from the less constrained members of our society . I hope you never have a reason to call these people that you have so much distain for and furthermore I hope that if you do ever need to call them that they take just a hair longer to come to your aid...maybe that'll give you a little more objectivity.
some cops are crooked.. some cops are good..
It's the crooked ones that make a bad name for all of them..
I've had a couple incidents that were unjustified..
My wife has had an incident also where a cop would have let her off if she did a "favor" for him...
Quote: I was also witness to a police killing which was quietly swept under the rug while in college
Where and when was this? I'd like to see the details.
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, but i dont think this was even close to being near that line. jmo
