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adrian wojnarowski reporting that everyone's favorite power broker, world wide wes, is saying any team that can acquire chris paul, gets the edge in free agency.

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i could be wrong, but that to me seems like a direct message to the cavaliers.

take a look at these other teams...

chicago, derek rose. they don't need cp3. i think they are a heavily flawed team and have somehow become true contenders for reasons unknown, but they are sure set at the point guard position.

the knicks. they have cap space, but they certainly don't have any assets to trade to the hornets. the cavs have much much more in the cabinet than new york.

same with the nets, although i don't think they would want devin harris even if they traded cp3, because they still have collison. but the nets worry me most with the fact that harris or lopez are at least legit pieces.

dallas has pieces although i can't see lbj considering them... the way i see it lebron is not going to the western conference. can't see it.

but again, to me, direct message to the cavs.

and i guess as a cavs fan, you can only hope that maybe lebron has talked to cp3 about going there, because i think the only way that would go down is if paul nudges the team. and remember, they are going through an ownership change.

wondering what your guys' thoughts were.

buckle up though, i think as you get into this weekend and into next monday, the rollercoaster ride begins.

I think a LOT of stuff is going to go down on draft night.

I would think that it is not a secret around the league that if CP3 goes to the Cavs, LBJ resigns with the Cavs. The problem is, why would NO get rid of CP3? Also, do we really have what it takes to make New Orleans want to even think about letting CP3 go?

Nothing replaces a franchise player, as we all are feeling now.

Cute kid Kash!

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The problem is, why would NO get rid of CP3?

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To clear up cap room plus they have a young good player in collison

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Also, do we really have what it takes to make New Orleans want to even think about letting CP3 go?

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Not sure honestelly. We can take Okafor off of them to give them cap room.

here's a bigger and more important question.

let's say the cavs and hornets could come to a deal for cp3... but it was steep.

varejao, hickson, maybe both, a package of 1's maybe danny green. you get it, a lot of resources...

would lebron want that with this team? yeah you have cp3, but then the cupboard is bare. that will not net you a championship.maybe down the line but when has lebron ever been about the future?

This scares me though:

Nets pursuing PG Chris Paul

http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/7/1505729/sam-smith-nets-could-look-to#39225983

I would easily give up some 1st, Green, And Hickson. I want to keep Varejao. I think its going to take salary dump to get CP3, like taking on one of their large contracts like Emecka Okafor, Which "I" would gladly do.

that says sam smith. he's the one trying to push lebron to twolves angle.

just sayin'

I would be highly surprised if paul is traded. there would be a ton of backlash in new orleans if that happened. I'd give it a 5% of going down.

I heard somewhere that 2nd rd picks are going to be expensive to buy. usually they are for sale for 500k, now it could be 1 million to 1.5million.

It's going to take a lot for the cavs to get a good player to play along lebron.

Blazers Calling Cavs On Mo Williams

Jun 22, 2010 9:44 AM EST
The Blazers have expressed interest in trading for Mo Williams.

Cleveland may make Williams available if they are unable to retain LeBron James.

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I'll go further and say we may make Mo available even keeping LeBron, but what could Portland give us to matchup salaries?

Andre Miller+Bayless? No thanks, Miller had his time here.

Bayless+Oden? I'd love to take that chance, but doubt Portland would let us.

Bayless+Rudy+Webster? A lot of youth and upside, but not a ton on present. This would be a decent deal for both teams if we are starting over.

looking at their roster, i don't know what they have that we'd want outside of roy who we have less than a 0% chance of getting.

andre miller is decent, but they seem happy with him (although maybe not if they are inquiring about mo and his contract)

oden is such a gamble that i don't think it would be worth it for us.

also looking at that roster, portland has really no bad contracts...

nobody makes over 10 mil, lots of young talent.

Nicolas Batum or Martell Webster. Perhaps Rudy Fernandez those are about the only realistic players I i could see perhaps being traded of any value. I would love to get Aldridge obviously, I would prefer him to even Roy I think.

I bet the Blazers are trying to deal Miller to us though for Williams.

i would do it. i like mo, but miller is a better overall player. the contract is smaller too. still nothing special on defense though.

i honestly think if we got the right coach in, that mo could be a better defender.

Mike Brown is a pretty solid defensive coach. I think Mo is what he is. I think we need more size to be a solid defender, but as the Lakers just proved, you dont need a great defender at the PG spot to win a title in this league.

you don't, but fish stayed in front of rondo a little better than mo did...

and yes mb is a great defensive mind, but i think a guy with playing experience who would take a more hands-on approach would help the guy. byron scott might be. doc rivers definitely...

it's too bad mo wasn't around when paul silas was coach, that is another guy who would have made him tougher. not saying silas was a great coach, but he was a very very good teacher.

How about Eric "The Glove" Snow? I would like to see him as an assistant to Scott myself.

Thinking about Bosh some more, I bet it takes Varejao, Hickson and West at least to even make this happen in a sign and trade. I also wouldnt be shocked if Toronto wanted a team to take on Hedo's contract as well to make the deal happen. If that were the case I think Jamison would be gone as well.

Bosh while we take on Hedo....sure.

Do we have the pieces for all that? If we signed Shaq, right?

I think it would have to be a sign and trade involving Wally, Shaq will not resign knowing he's going to Siberia, i mean Toronto.

i think there is the small possibility that if this happened, lbj would be in bosh's ear, therefore giving the cavs the upper hand. because bosh could say sign and trade me to cleveland or else....

seems unlikely, but we can only hope our guy is pulling what strings he has. lbj has power.

if not, it would take a lot

Bosh aint' coming. CP3 maybe. Realistically we are more likely to get collison and okafor for west/williams/hickson. Which I would take in a hearbeat.

i think bosh is more likly than cp3... just my opinion.

it all hinges on lebron though. if he is gonna sit back and say, i want these teams to show me what they are about (including the cavs) then it's very very unlikely. but if behind the scenes, he is trying to help this team out by recruiting bosh? it's very very possible and i would say there is a pretty good chance it could happen.

guys wanna play with lebron. he gets the spotlight, he shares the spotlight, he's a great teammate...

i just wish he'd say i'm not leaving and that if you wanna play with me, you gotta come to cleveland...

but nobody knows where any of this is at. we can only hope lebron is trying to help this team out. and it was really nice to hear that he's been in contact with the team, even to the point of face to face over these last few weeks. that is great news.

the cp3 thing would take a lot. because new orleans doesn't need paul's word. they don't have to trade him. they can wait out another year. wait for a better deal. toronto knows bosh is gone and would like to get something.

I'd love to get CP3 but the more I think about it we'd be better off with Bosh. We always get abused inside and Bosh would provide a 20 and 10 guaranteed. He'd be an athletic nightmare for KG. Gasol is soft so he couldn't defend him. If Dwight tried defending him bosh could just pull up for jump shots to draw him out.

Bosh is not a good defender and is softer than Gasol.

I guess you never watched Danilo Gallinari or Andrea Bargnani play. The Gasol I saw in this playoffs wasn't soft. But granted, Bosh is not physical. He will not scare a Howard.

Wilson Chandler played the 3 and Danilo played the 4 with David Lee playing the 5.

Edit: Looked it up, they changed their starting line ups a bit during the season. Seems Chandler and Danilo both played the 3. Danilo has played the 4 and at 6' 10" seems a logical #4. Al Harrington also played the 4.

Tracy McGrady's game against the Thunder (last NY game I saw)
1. Duhon
2 McGrady
3. Chandler
4. Danilo
5. Lee

I honestly forgot about Al Harrington. Had someone asked me what team he played for, I'm not sure I could have come up with the answer without really thinking about it.

no, bosh can't handle dwight, i think we're all in agreement on that. if we somehow land bosh, i still think we have a problem at center. and maybe a bigger problem if andy is part of the deal.

but again, the cavs have 10m so maybe they can dedicate it to bringing in a true big man. they also can maybe work the deadline.

right now the priority is getting that second star in here. it buys you time. i think if they can land another star, it's a lock lebron stays. maybe he even skips this recruiting circus, and signs before the july 1 deadline and gets his $.

like i have said before, i think lebron wants to stay in cleveland. i think in his perfect world, he's with the cavs, winning multiple titles, and getting his # put up into the rafters. but there is that fear with him, that he will not be able to get that 2nd, or even 3rd guy to come. he can't do it himself. he almost did, but i think it would take too many stars aligning for him to do it alone. we have had a great supporting cast, but we just don't have that second guy. if we did, guys like jamison, and mo, etc... wouldn't look so bad.

If we land Bosh, I think we can resign Shaq, if we wanted to.

im pretty sure i read somewhere that the cavs have about 10m in cap space to sign someone, regardless of what lbj does. could be wrong, but i am pretty sure i heard that from windy.

Last I looked we could possibly have $4.5 million. That goes out the window with Bosh.