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The whole King this, King that, Socialist this, Communist that thing got old about 6 months ago. I can't believe you guys are still reading his posts. 
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Time will tell.
I sincerely hope and pray that I am giving him props in the very near future.
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The whole King this, King that, Socialist this, Communist that thing got old about 6 months ago. I can't believe you guys are still reading his posts.
Thank goodness we have you on here to tell people what posts to read. 
The whole King this and King that thing has gotten much worse over the last six months because the King keeps acting with more and more audacity.
One of the many problems with America today is our microwave society can't pay attention for more than six minutes...let alone six months.
So...when something terrible is happening to our country, the crooked leaders know that if they hold on long enough, the issue will "get old in amount six months" and the sheople (sheep/people) will stop paying attention and they can carry on in obscurity.
I would respect your posts more if you actually threw out an opinion of your own rather than trying to get others to avoid reading someone else's opinion.
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Willie, why do you call it the "Kings War"... I mean,, he didn't start it, he voted against it.. why is it now the Kings war and not Bushs war? Just wondering
He said he was going to end it - while campaigning before getting elected.
Now...while still campaigning - yet after being elected - he ramped-up the Afghan war.
He has made it his war.
Oh,, OK,, I have to tell you, that logic and thinking makes no sense to me..
It's not his war, he just got stuck with it.. But because in the first 18 months of his presidency, he hasn't ended it on the advice of his military leaders and advisors..
It's also funny that he was getting nailed by folks for even recommending and stating he wanted to have a gradual pull out over 18 months..
So now it's his war because he hasn't ended it... I'm sorry willie,, that makes no sense to me..
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Yes. As ageneral different stature, a different and less tolerating position with the commander in chief. If so unhappy, resign. If this duplicate development and set of events had happened under Bush, I believe there would have been less made of it. The noise and uproar would have come from those who supported that president if not that (those) war developments. This is personally galling to me that our men and women's lives in our service are being wasted daily. This war has been fought stupidly in a number of ways, for example handcuffing troop actions with restrictive rules of engagement. Reminds me of Nam in some similar ways. Turn them loose to win this thing and protect themselves relentlessly. This set of interviews had to indulge some of the general's personal indulgences. If a military hierarchy runs on self-discipline, respect, following orders, sound judment, then he must have been found wanting. I think Obama was painted into a corner the general built and had to take action; to do less is to invite more of the same, worsened by degree and volume of similar problems. Sorry he was fired, but hardly the "victimized" and pitiable individual that some conservative media would have us believe. Actions create consequences, an early rule in military training. 
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Oh,, OK,, I have to tell you, that logic and thinking makes no sense to me..
It's not his war, he just got stuck with it.. But because in the first 18 months of his presidency, he hasn't ended it on the advice of his military leaders and advisors..
It's also funny that he was getting nailed by folks for even recommending and stating he wanted to have a gradual pull out over 18 months..
So now it's his war because he hasn't ended it... I'm sorry willie,, that makes no sense to me.
First off, he got nailed for giving a specific date for a pullout...not for suggesting a pullout.
Most importantly, he campaigned on a "platform" that included ending the wars...instead, he escalated the Afghan war. So he took ownership that his commanders said we should continue to be there.
In reality, he has done nothing but continue Bush's war strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan - with the exception that King O is clearly not paying attention.
If it/they were ever referred to as Bush's wars...they must by default now be referred to as Obama's wars.
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Oh,, OK,, I have to tell you, that logic and thinking makes no sense to me..
It's not his war, he just got stuck with it.. But because in the first 18 months of his presidency, he hasn't ended it on the advice of his military leaders and advisors..
It's also funny that he was getting nailed by folks for even recommending and stating he wanted to have a gradual pull out over 18 months..
So now it's his war because he hasn't ended it... I'm sorry willie,, that makes no sense to me.
First off, he got nailed for giving a specific date for a pullout...not for suggesting a pullout.
Most importantly, he campaigned on a "platform" that included ending the wars...instead, he escalated the Afghan war. So he took ownership that his commanders said we should continue to be there.
In reality, he has done nothing but continue Bush's war strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan - with the exception that King O is clearly not paying attention.
If it/they were ever referred to as Bush's wars...they must by default now be referred to as Obama's wars.
OK,, but NONE of that makes this HIS war.. it's Bushs war.. all the way..
Man are you blinded or what.. calling it Obamas war by default is insane..
Keep in mind, I'm not commenting on how I think he's handling the war,, That to me is not the issue..
I'm also not commenting on any other political issue... I just think you are playing fast and loose with the issue by calling it his war.. it's simply not..
He just got stuck with it and how he handles it going forward will be his legacy..
As for him following the Bush Strategy, Yeah, because he was advised to do so by those folks that are supposed to understand these things..
Lots of campaign promises get cut or modified when the true light is put on the subject. Every president ever has broken some of them... Include W. So let's not go to calling things what they aren't just to meet your agenda..
You don't like the mans policies,, I get that,, maybe you don't even like the man,, I'm cool with that.. Hell, for all I know, you hate him..
But changing the facts doesn't make you any more right.... and I think you are wrong.
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If you toned down the hyperbole and actually formed a well thought out post then maybe I'd start reading you again, but until then I'll keep skipping right over. After this reply of course  To your previous post about the King's war, that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. You know how I know its not Obama's war? Because I fought in it, and Obama wasn't president yet when my 6 years was up. No amount of your distortion is going to change the fact that why we're there has nothing to do with him. We get it, you hate Obama. Tell us why instead of being inflammatory without substance.
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Thanks for serving our country... 
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If you toned down the hyperbole and actually formed a well thought out post then maybe I'd start reading you again, but until then I'll keep skipping right over.
After this reply of course
To your previous post about the King's war, that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. You know how I know its not Obama's war? Because I fought in it, and Obama wasn't president yet when my 6 years was up. No amount of your distortion is going to change the fact that why we're there has nothing to do with him. We get it, you hate Obama. Tell us why instead of being inflammatory without substance.
While skipping over...you clearly missed this part:
Most importantly, he campaigned on a "platform" that included ending the wars...instead, he escalated the Afghan war. So he took ownership that his commanders said we should continue to be there.
In reality, he has done nothing but continue Bush's war strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan - with the exception that King O is clearly not paying attention.
If it/they were ever referred to as Bush's wars...they must by default now be referred to as Obama's wars.
There is the substance you asked for...again.
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Lots of campaign promises get cut or modified when the true light is put on the subject. Every president ever has broken some of them... Include W. So let's not go to calling things what they aren't just to meet your agenda
Talk about an agenda...what does Bush's broken campaign promises have to do with Obama's broken campaign promises?
Jeessh...talk about blinded.
The King was elected because he was going to be "different". He is not. He is the definition of a partisan politician.
Every 20-30 year old I know who voted for him did so because he was going to end "Bush's wars". Well...he has not...as a matter of fact...he has escalated one of them and followed Bush's lead in the other.
Obama not being "different" and not ending the wars is more than a broken campaign promise. It is the premise upon which many people voted for him.
I find it amusing when people cannot defend these comments with anything other than their assumption that I must hate the man...next thing you know, I will be a racist.
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Lots of campaign promises get cut or modified when the true light is put on the subject. Every president ever has broken some of them... Include W. So let's not go to calling things what they aren't just to meet your agenda
Talk about an agenda...what does Bush's broken campaign promises have to do with Obama's broken campaign promises?
Jeessh...talk about blinded.
The King was elected because he was going to be "different". He is not. He is the definition of a partisan politician.
Every 20-30 year old I know who voted for him did so because he was going to end "Bush's wars". Well...he has not...as a matter of fact...he has escalated one of them and followed Bush's lead in the other.
Obama not being "different" and not ending the wars is more than a broken campaign promise. It is the premise upon which many people voted for him.
I find it amusing when people cannot defend these comments with anything other than their assumption that I must hate the man...next thing you know, I will be a racist.
The dangers of electing an unqualified, community organizer was blazed across this message board for at least six months prior to the election.
Now we reap what was sown and the people pointing out the truth are labeled as haters.
So what part of that makes it Obamas war.. you are deflecting because all you want to do is blame him for everything that goes wrong..
Listen, when it's all said and done, Obama will make a ton of mistakes,, pick on those,, not on the things that aren't his fault....
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These are not Obama's wars, they are Bush's wars.. they are, however, Obama's to finish and he knew that when he ran.. it is unfair to grade him on anything prior to taking office, it is perfectly fair to grade him on his prosecution of the wars AFTER he took office.
Look.. GWB did not create the attitude among our enemies that we were soft and vulnerable, Clinton did that.. and he did not create the mess between agencies not sharing information, a host of other Presidents contributed to that.. but after 9/11 it was his to deal with
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I'll just say this last thing then bow out of the conversation. I was there, I personally believe from seeing it myself that that is not a place you just leave and throw your hands up and say ok we're done. I personally want us to leave, but I understand that the president really didn't have a choice in the matter. Staying was the lesser of two evils. As long as he follows through with what he said he would do then I can't see why there is any problem. To expect him to have already done it shows how very little about the situation you actually understand.
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Then maybe Obama should have thought about this before making those campaign promises.
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Then maybe Obama should have thought about this before making those campaign promises.
And if he'd have kept the promise and we were out by August, you would have found fault with that as well.., Guaranteed...
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Then maybe Obama should have thought about this before making those campaign promises.
And if he'd have kept the promise and we were out by August, you would have found fault with that as well.., Guaranteed...
You don't know that,...I might have had to vote for him next time, had he actually lived up to a campaign promise.
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Then maybe Obama should have thought about this before making those campaign promises.
And if he'd have kept the promise and we were out by August, you would have found fault with that as well.., Guaranteed...
You are absolutely 100% correct. If a guy campaigns on doing something stupid and then does it, he's an idiot but an honest idiot... if he campaigns on something and then doesn't do it he's a hypocrit.. so the solution is simple, don't campaign on things that pander to the extreme of your base that you have no intention of doing.. .of course it got him elected so I suppose.. mission accomplished.
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In defense of the President....there are now things he has information where as a senator he didn't.
I think he now knows we can't pull out and has a better understanding of why we entered in the first place.
There needs to be a little balance in this room...and I am not just pointing my finger at you.
President Obama isn't a liar for not starting a pullout and President Bush didn't just go start a war willynilly.
In the grand scheme of things, it's important to our interests to have a stable Middle East....the worlds interests really.
You get unstable leaders is a already unstable area you have two choices. You can let it work itself out or you can step in.
I am of the opinion that with all that has transpired there over the last 60 years, it isn't going to just work itself out without dire consequences.
The world looks to us....both good and bad...but when the sheet is about to hit the fan, the world expects us to step in.
It's the burden we bear as Americans. We can stand tall or wilt.
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Then maybe Obama should have thought about this before making those campaign promises.
And if he'd have kept the promise and we were out by August, you would have found fault with that as well.., Guaranteed...
You are absolutely correct. I thought he was wrong when he made those dumb promises, had he kept them it would have been a dumb mistake. What's your point?....that obama can't win no matter what he does? Well, he made that bed when he made those promises.
Maybe you need to jump off the obama love train. This guy started off with a trillion dollar pile of our money to fix our problems and a populace recognizing he stepped into a pile of crap. No other president had that kind of gift laid in their lap. 18 months later we're worse off and he's asking for more money.
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A fair and balanced post.
Congratulations.
The rest of the board should thank you for saying in 180 words what would have traken me 1800.
We agree. 100%
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In defense of the President....there are now things he has information where as a senator he didn't.
Yes as a senator...compared to President...there may be some differences...But as a Presidential Candidate.......He had A TON of information he didn't have as a senator.
I agree with what you are saying...but this point has to be made....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Well put Peen.. Thank you for your clear comments...
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Yes as a senator...compared to President...there may be some differences...But as a Presidential Candidate.......He had A TON of information he didn't have as a senator.
I agree with what you are saying...but this point has to be made....
Is this really true? I mean, there are always several people listed as candidates that get .000001% of the votes. If they meet the qualifications, but get no votes (they have no chance of becoming president), then they are entitled to classified military intelligence? In the interest of them making a better debate argument? I find this hard to believe.
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I know that both McCain and Obama were being briefed in preparation of one of them becoming CIC. I don't know at what point they stop those briefs but I do think they probably have something figured out. This is a good article(book) talking about the CIA briefing of Presidential Candidates. The intro and preface talk of Clinton getting info (the Presidential Dailies) upon becoming President -Elect. But Chapter One actually talks about his briefing once hewon the Democratic Primary.... http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAE...0Candidates.htm
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Yes as a senator...compared to President...there may be some differences...But as a Presidential Candidate.......He had A TON of information he didn't have as a senator.
I agree with what you are saying...but this point has to be made....
Is this really true? I mean, there are always several people listed as candidates that get .000001% of the votes. If they meet the qualifications, but get no votes (they have no chance of becoming president), then they are entitled to classified military intelligence? In the interest of them making a better debate argument? I find this hard to believe.
I get the sense that only the two likely or possible winners will get briefed.. I don't think that a third party candidate that hasn't garnered serious attention would get the briefing that included the minute details.
Pretty much as it should be.
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I read your link. Looks like Clinton got one time brief with the DCI b/w Sept 4 and the election. But Bush was still getting the President's daily brief, with up to the minute intelligence. So it looks like there is a limit to what a candidate is given; he/she is not privy to what's in the President's daily brief.
Good link though, I didn't realize this happened, but it does make sense.
I probably misinterpreted your post to mean that Obama was getting as much info as the sitting president. Sorry for that.
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Oh I didn't mean to imply that....I wasn't completely sure at what level they received either. I just knew that they did receive more than the average senator....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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I'll just say this last thing then bow out of the conversation. I was there, I personally believe from seeing it myself that that is not a place you just leave and throw your hands up and say ok we're done. I personally want us to leave, but I understand that the president really didn't have a choice in the matter. Staying was the lesser of two evils.
Anyone who is actually paying attention would agree with you. However, a major part of the King being voted-in was his promise to end the wars that "are costing billions of dollars and American lives".
The 20-30 year olds I mentioned above drooled all over that dribble.
Either the King lied about his "promise" or he did not understand the conflict as well as you did. In this case, King O cannot win. He either lied...or did not know what he was talking about. Either way...HE made his own bed.
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To expect him to have already done it shows how very little about the situation you actually understand.
I expected him to not make that stupid promise in the first place. I expected the American voter to see that his promise - a large part of his platform - was incredibly flawed, inexperienced, and naive.
Sorry Mattack...I understand this situation very well.
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Anyone who is actually paying attention would agree with you. However, a major part of the King being voted-in was his promise to end the wars that "are costing billions of dollars and American lives".
He's been in office 17 months thus far,, who's to say he won't end it in his first term?
What the hell did you expect.,,
This is starting to drive me a bit nuts.., it's like,, hey,, Obama, you got into office in January of 09 and you haven't fixed all the problems that exist in the USA,,
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I know I feel like I'm giving him a fair shot at this ("these" problems). The messes are bigger than we can hope for any one President to fix in one term.
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I suspect some Republicans were secretly glad Obama won the 2008 election... that way he gets to wear a lot of the mess that was created before anyone ever heard of him.
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Yeah, that was my point. He said he was going to do it. As long as he does, no problem with me. But to say he lied because he hasn't done it yet is naive, he hasn't had the kind of time necessary to pull something like that off. Its gonna take awhile.
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The messes are bigger than we can hope for any one President to fix in one term.
agreed.
...and I'd be saying this of ANYONE who was voted into office at this time. It's not like cleaning up a flooded basement or something.
To expect anyone to have fixed in 1.5 years the problems that have been compounding in what's now the longest war in American history is [choose from the following]:
1. unreasonable
2. disingenuous
3. using a convenient excuse for trashing a person who didn't get your vote.
Were the roles reversed, and President McCain inherited this mess, there would be just as many folks (certainly of a different political stripe) playing the same cards in exactly the same way.
Scratch the surface, and folks are pretty much the same all over, despite their political proclivities. Pretty typical- and not surprising at all.
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This is starting to drive me a bit nuts.., it's like,, hey,, Obama, you got into office in January of 09 and you haven't fixed all the problems that exist in the USA,,
Yeah...that is what we are saying. Yep...fix ALL the problems.
He has had time to "give" us healthcare "reform" that most of us do not want.
He has had time to "give" us financial "reform" spearheaded by the two guys most responsible for the mess in the first place.
He has had time to apologize to foreign nations for all of the evils we have perpetrated upon them.
He has had time to approve a troop SURGE rather than a troop draw-down.
He has time to sue AZ for not doing one of HIS many jobs.
Yeah...let's give him more time.
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Good points, all. I didn't mean to insinuate he was doing a good job,... 
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Yeah...that is what we are saying. Yep...fix ALL the problems.
Yeah willie,, that is what you are saying.., you watch, tomorrow, or the next day something new will crop up and it will all be Obamas fault because he said he'd address it in some fashion during his campaign...
I'm not defending the man..,, but I am trying to be realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished in a reasonable period of time..
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He has had time to "give" us healthcare "reform" that most of us do not want.
Careful, the majority of us want health care reform,, it's needed and way over due.. I'm not convinced that the way it's come down in the right way yet, but I"ll give it time. I gave the last president time to show me the war in the middle east was worth fighting,, I'll give this one the time he needs to show me his healthcare package is the right way to go.,.. you won't..
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He has had time to "give" us financial "reform" spearheaded by the two guys most responsible for the mess in the first place.
Oh,, I didn't realize he hired the many folks that were responsible for our financial issues.. You'll have to explain that some day..
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He has had time to apologize to foreign nations for all of the evils we have perpetrated upon them.
If we did them wrong, are you suggesting we should ignore the wrong we've done? Do you hide from the truth when you hurt someone,, or do you man up and apologize...
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He has had time to approve a troop SURGE rather than a troop draw-down.
Honestly,, that's dumb of you to even add that. Most Republicans and conservatives were all for the surge including John McCain.. now all of a sudden he goes for it and guess what, someone like you comes along and makes a dumb comment like that..
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He has time to sue AZ for not doing one of HIS many jobs.
Not sure I understand that one..
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Yeah...let's give him more time.
First smart thing you said in that last post....I agree..
Remember something, he's had to deal with the worst econimic downturn we've seen since the Great Depression, he's had to deal with all the turmoil that comes with it. He's had to deal with 2 wars.
He wasn't exactly handed a dozen roses to deal with.. Not that any president before him was either, but this mess is unprecidented.
You don't even seem to acknowledge those facts.. you key in on what you want to see and forget the rest
Every single time someone won't acknowledge known facts, I have to question what the real motivation behind thier comments are...
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Yeah...that is what we are saying. Yep...fix ALL the problems.
Yeah willie,, that is what you are saying.., you watch, tomorrow, or the next day something new will crop up and it will all be Obamas fault because he said he'd address it in some fashion during his campaign...
So...I am "going" to say that he should fix ALL the problems? I'm GOING to say that. Really. What are tomorrow's winning lottery numbers?
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I'm not defending the man..,, but I am trying to be realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished in a reasonable period of time..
HE made the promise and as part of his platform...not me.
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He has had time to "give" us healthcare "reform" that most of us do not want.
Careful, the majority of us want health care reform,, it's needed and way over due.. I'm not convinced that the way it's come down in the right way yet, but I"ll give it time. I gave the last president time to show me the war in the middle east was worth fighting,, I'll give this one the time he needs to show me his healthcare package is the right way to go.,.. you won't..
This piece of "legislation" does not do a damn thing to reform healthcare. It is a power grab. The majority of people do not want this current, "gotta do it now and we can fix it later" legislation.
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He has had time to "give" us financial "reform" spearheaded by the two guys most responsible for the mess in the first place
Oh,, I didn't realize he hired the many folks that were responsible for our financial issues.. You'll have to explain that some day..
He did not hire them...they were put in charge of the "effort".
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He has had time to apologize to foreign nations for all of the evils we have perpetrated upon them.
If we did them wrong, are you suggesting we should ignore the wrong we've done? Do you hide from the truth when you hurt someone,, or do you man up and apologize...
Please define "wrong".
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He has had time to approve a troop SURGE rather than a troop draw-down.
Honestly,, that's dumb of you to even add that. Most Republicans and conservatives were all for the surge including John McCain.. now all of a sudden he goes for it and guess what, someone like you comes along and makes a dumb comment like that..
Jeesh Daman...try and keep up...I did not say I was against the surge. I am in favor of doing what the commanders on the ground suggest. It is the King who promised to get out...then ramped it up. I did not make that promise...I do not want to just pull out.
You called my comments dumb and implied that I was against the surge...when I have NEVER said that. It is not about the damn surge...it is surging after promising withdrawal. The surge is not the issue...promising to withdrawal - and having that as part of your platform - is the issue.
Somehow...me holding him accountable for his promise is worse than him not keeping his promise...welll...actually doing the exact opposite of what he promised.
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He has time to sue AZ for not doing one of HIS many jobs.
Not sure I understand that one..
If you do not understand that point, no amount of explanation will help you.
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Yeah...let's give him more time.
First smart thing you said in that last post....I agree..
Smart only because you agree.
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Remember something, he's had to deal with the worst econimic downturn we've seen since the Great Depression, he's had to deal with all the turmoil that comes with it. He's had to deal with 2 wars.
He wasn't exactly handed a dozen roses to deal with.. Not that any president before him was either, but this mess is unprecidented.
And he has responded by continuing to push a disastrous agenda rather than being a leader.
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You don't even seem to acknowledge those facts.. you key in on what you want to see and forget the rest
Typical response from an Obama supporter...since I disagree with the King I must certainly be wrong...a racist...don't acknowledge facts...see what I want to see...blah blah blah.
He has had plenty of time to push his agenda and continue to campaign...the problem is that the country needs a leader RIGHT NOW.
He is still blaming Bush and trying to "figure out who's ass to kick".
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Every single time someone won't acknowledge known facts, I have to question what the real motivation behind thier comments are...
aka...Everytime someone disagrees with the King and states specifically where they disagree...you have to question why they disagree with the King...rather than dispute the opinions laid out in front of you.
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Yeah...that is what we are saying. Yep...fix ALL the problems.
Yeah willie,, that is what you are saying.., you watch, tomorrow, or the next day something new will crop up and it will all be Obamas fault because he said he'd address it in some fashion during his campaign...
So...I am "going" to say that he should fix ALL the problems? I'm GOING to say that. Really. What are tomorrow's winning lottery numbers?
Yes, that's what I'm saying and I don't need to read minds, or have a crystal ball to believe that.. it wouldn't be the first time you've reacted to something just like that...
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I'm not defending the man..,, but I am trying to be realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished in a reasonable period of time..
HE made the promise and as part of his platform...not me.
Truth is, things change, new info comes to light, and if your a good leader, you have to learn to adjust. He's learning to adjust.. his term isn't over yet..
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He has had time to "give" us healthcare "reform" that most of us do not want.
Careful, the majority of us want health care reform,, it's needed and way over due.. I'm not convinced that the way it's come down in the right way yet, but I"ll give it time. I gave the last president time to show me the war in the middle east was worth fighting,, I'll give this one the time he needs to show me his healthcare package is the right way to go.,.. you won't..
This piece of "legislation" does not do a damn thing to reform healthcare. It is a power grab. The majority of people do not want this current, "gotta do it now and we can fix it later" legislation.
So you say,, I didn't realize you were an expert.. give it time,, let it play out.. you want me to pick the winning lotto numbers, perhaps you should,, you seem to know what's going to happen.
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He has had time to "give" us financial "reform" spearheaded by the two guys most responsible for the mess in the first place
Oh,, I didn't realize he hired the many folks that were responsible for our financial issues.. You'll have to explain that some day..
He did not hire them...they were put in charge of the "effort".
Who?
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He has had time to apologize to foreign nations for all of the evils we have perpetrated upon them.
If we did them wrong, are you suggesting we should ignore the wrong we've done? Do you hide from the truth when you hurt someone,, or do you man up and apologize...
Please define "wrong".
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You brought it up, you tell me what he apologized for then you'll have your answer.
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He has had time to approve a troop SURGE rather than a troop draw-down.
Honestly,, that's dumb of you to even add that. Most Republicans and conservatives were all for the surge including John McCain.. now all of a sudden he goes for it and guess what, someone like you comes along and makes a dumb comment like that..
Jeesh Daman...try and keep up...I did not say I was against the surge. I am in favor of doing what the commanders on the ground suggest. It is the King who promised to get out...then ramped it up. I did not make that promise...I do not want to just pull out.
See this is what I'm talking about.. You are apparently for the surge,, he wasn't, he was talked into it by the guys on the ground and decided they knew better and he followed thier advice. Tell me again what's wrong with following the advice of those in the know? Even if it means changing your stance on a subject? Tell me Willie,,,
You called my comments dumb and implied that I was against the surge...when I have NEVER said that. It is not about the damn surge...it is surging after promising withdrawal. The surge is not the issue...promising to withdrawal - and having that as part of your platform - is the issue.
Geesh Willie,, are you now saying he was WRONG for surging? It's you that don't get it.. If he learned, through the advice of his field military personnel that it was better to surge now, what would you have said then..
I can hear it now, he kept his promise of withdrawal, but it was a huge mistake. Tell me I"m wrong Willie...
Somehow...me holding him accountable for his promise is worse than him not keeping his promise...welll...actually doing the exact opposite of what he promised.
No No,, holding him accountable is not a problem.. not that I see.. But it appears that things changed or at least the advice he received caused him to change his stance.. The job of Leader of the the Free World isn't something that comes with this big giant playbook... Things happen, things change, you have to adjust to them as best as humanly possible. So far, it appears he's taken the advice of his military leaders,, would you prefer he hadn't done that?
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He has time to sue AZ for not doing one of HIS many jobs.
Not sure I understand that one..
If you do not understand that point, no amount of explanation will help you.
That's what I figured,, you don't understand it either.
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Yeah...let's give him more time.
First smart thing you said in that last post....I agree..
Smart only because you agree.
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Remember something, he's had to deal with the worst econimic downturn we've seen since the Great Depression, he's had to deal with all the turmoil that comes with it. He's had to deal with 2 wars.
He wasn't exactly handed a dozen roses to deal with.. Not that any president before him was either, but this mess is unprecidented.
And he has responded by continuing to push a disastrous agenda rather than being a leader.
You don't know that yet.. you think that,, and I respect you for having a thought, but you don't knwo if it's going to work out as you think
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You don't even seem to acknowledge those facts.. you key in on what you want to see and forget the rest
Typical response from an Obama supporter...since I disagree with the King I must certainly be wrong...a racist...don't acknowledge facts...see what I want to see...blah blah blah.
tell me, do you acknowledge that this was the worst economic times since the Great Depression and that he came into it as the new President? Do you acknowledge that he's had to deal with 2 wars....
It's not racism I'm talking about,, not even close.. but it sure is an inability for some folks to see both sides of an argument.. THe other agenda by the was one of total and undeniable right leaning thinking.. the kinda of thinking that doesn't allow even the most remote possibility that someone leaning to the left might actually have a good idea.. you look for the wrong and never acknowledge the issues... like the 2 wars and the economy he inherited..
I'm not any more or less an Obama supporter,, I'm a guy that likes to see both sides of an argument and make determinations.. I don't like one sided thinking...
Nothing at all to do with Racism., it's politics as usual... But it's odd that YOU would bring up race.. I sure as hell didn't.
He has had plenty of time to push his agenda and continue to campaign...the problem is that the country needs a leader RIGHT NOW.
He is still blaming Bush and trying to "figure out who's ass to kick".
that's politics Willie. What president hasn't pushed his own agenda.. that's the way it works. it's neither good nor bad, it's how the system works.., don't like it, then work to get it changed.
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Every single time someone won't acknowledge known facts, I have to question what the real motivation behind thier comments are...
aka...Everytime someone disagrees with the King and states specifically where they disagree...you have to question why they disagree with the King...rather than dispute the opinions laid out in front of you.
That's another thing,, he's the president, not a freaking king..Grow up and quit trying to be a Rome Clone wannabe..
I've disputed the opinions in front of me... as often as I've felt it was necessary.. I think it's a waste of time,, this is getting us nowhere and all it's doing is feeding the very thing I hate most.. ANd that's that the two parties have us going at each others throats so we're occupied and can't watch them rob us blind... YOu wanna talk about dumb,,, There it is in a nutshell..
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Truth is, things change, new info comes to light, and if your a good leader, you have to learn to adjust. He's learning to adjust.. his term isn't over yet..
And when things changed for Bush....were you or the left leaning crowd this forgiving??? I'll answer that for you....No you were not...
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Careful, the majority of us want health care reform
Ummmm NO...the majority did NOT want this reform...the MINORITY of US citizens wanted it. The Democrats had a super majority in congress and they still had a very difficult time trying to pass it and were only able to do so by bribing their own members....
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give it time,, let it play out..
Is that what you do when you are sitting in a bus and the driver is pointed towards a cliff and then hits the gas???
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Tell me again what's wrong with following the advice of those in the know?
What was wrong was NOT following the advice of those on the ground...it was dismissing that advice earlier in his campaign and promissing (and possibly deceiving) the American people by saying he was going to pull the troops out in order to get elected. If you cannot see that point of view (agree with it or not) then God Help You.. Because if you honestly believe that he was given some all new information once elected that changed his mind....Well I have a bridge in New York to sell you. You can make some good money off of the tolls... 
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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