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Updated Jul 2, 2010 6:48 PM ET
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After each NFL Draft, fans and talking heads debate why players were selected higher or lower than first expected.

The mystery of the rise and fall of many top players becomes a source of conjecture amongst many fans on message boards and alike, but FOXSports.com has learned through various league executives the inside skinny on why players moved up or down, or went off the board to a particular team.

How does this translate for each first-round pick heading into training camp? Which guys are poised to make an impact ASAP and which still have big questions to answer?

With less than four weeks to go until the start of training camps, here's an overview of each first-round selection.




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1. Sam Bradford, QB, St. Louis Rams

Inside Info: Bradford going to the Rams was no surprise. This was a team that’s been looking for a franchise quarterback for some time. Once they were comfortable with his medical issues, Bradford became their guy. However, NFL Films Senior Producer Greg Cosell told FOXSports.com Bradford probably shouldn’t play a single down this season based on the steep learning curve he’ll go through based on the offensive scheme he played in at Oklahoma. Cosell said the Bengals did the same thing with Carson Palmer in 2003 and it worked out quite well.

2. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Detroit Lions

Inside Info: The only issue for teams became about which scheme Suh would be better off playing in, the 3-4 or 4-3. However, according to a veteran personnel evaluator, Suh’s capable of playing in either because of his size and mobility. Suh should be the foundation of the defensive front-seven for the Lions for years to come under head coach Jim Schwartz.

3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Inside Info: McCoy was a much better fit for a 4-3. It’s believed there weren’t many teams that run a 3-4 which would have seriously considered selecting him. In Tampa's cover-2 scheme, he'll fit in as a "3-technique" which will take advantage his excellent first step.

4. Trent Williams, OT, Washington Redskins

Inside Info: Williams could have gone off the board a little higher than most expected, but because of the premium most teams put on protecting quarterbacks, the selection of the athletic lineman shouldn’t be too much of a surprise. Jammal Brown, who Washington also acquired recently, might be better off playing on the right side. In fact, sources said many teams looked at him as a right tackle, not left, coming into the 2005 draft.

5. Eric Berry, S, Kansas City Chiefs

Inside Info: Perhaps the most-hyped player available in this draft, Berry was going to go off the board inside the top 10, make no mistake about it. However, some personnel evaluators question how the Chiefs will use him. Some think he’s better off at cornerback than at safety.

6. Russell Okung, OT, Seattle Seahawks

Inside Info: Okung was seen as one of the safest first-round selections, so it’s wasn’t a surprise that Seattle, which needed a left tackle badly, took him off the board at this spot. He should be an instant starter on the day camp opens.

7. Joe Haden, CB, Cleveland Browns

Inside Info: This selection was a big surprise to many of Cleveland’s fans, but the fact is Haden was the highest-rated player left on their draft board. General manager Tom Heckert, who was making the personnel decisions for the first time in his career, stuck to his board and went with the best player. However, some other evaluators question Haden’s speed and whether he’ll be able to cover the faster receivers. Eric Wright and Sheldon Brown are expected to open camp with the first-team defense, but Haden figures to work his way up the depth chart quickly.

8. Rolando McClain, LB, Oakland Raiders

Inside Info: A source said that for the first time in many years, owner Al Davis - who makes all the personnel decisions for the team - took the best player available instead of the best athlete. Despite rumors before the draft, other sources said the Raiders never considered selecting OT Bruce Campbell in this round. They wound up selecting him three rounds later. McClain will take over the starting middle linebacker job right away.

9. C.J. Spiller, RB, Buffalo Bills

Inside Info: While some fans wanted the team to select a quarterback here, that simply wasn’t going to happen. With head coach Chan Gailey being a running back proponent, Spiller made the most sense for Buffalo’s mundane offense.


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10. Tyson Alualu, DT, Jacksonville Jaguars

Inside Info: The first shocker in this draft came with the 10th overall selection. While many fans were shocked at this pick, it should be noted that sources said several teams had a first-round grade on Alualu. But whether he was a good enough value at No. 10 remains to be seen. Alualu figures to start right away. In fact, it probably would be a huge upset if he's not in the starting lineup on opening day. Jacksonville simply lacks enough quality talent on the interior of their D-line.

11. Anthony Davis, OT, San Francisco 49ers

Inside Info: Davis seemed to go a bit higher off the board than many thought could happen, but several personnel sources said he might have been the most athletic tackle available in this draft.

12. Ryan Mathews, RB, San Diego Chargers

Inside Info: While some observers thought Mathews was a questionable selection this early, San Diego clearly needed to solve their starting running back problem. He was seen as the top feature back available for this draft, and he could very well handle 20-plus carries a game this season.

13. Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan

Inside Info: The top question surrounding Graham seemed to be whether he was better off playing in the 3-4 or 4-3. Graham, who dominated Senior Bowl practices, rocketed up draft boards after that week. However, a source said at least at few teams didn’t have a first-round grade on him because of his shorter than ideal arm length. Philadelphia has decent depth at both end spots, but the talented rookie figures to be high in the rotation right away.

14. Earl Thomas, S, Seattle Seahawks

Inside Info: Thomas was seen by most personnel evaluators as perhaps one of the top two or three defensive backs available for this draft. In fact, some teams, according to sources, looked at him possibly playing half of his snaps at cornerback because of his versatility. The bottom line is Thomas should have an impact on Seattle's undermanned secondary right away.

15. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, New York Giants

Inside Info: Most team observers were stunned when the Giants selected the athletic, but raw, defensive lineman. However, based on the inconsistency New York had last season with its pass rush, Pierre-Paul’s selection shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. Because of decent depth at the position, he can be brought along slowly - perhaps in a situational pass rushing role.

16. Derrick Morgan, DE, Tennessee Titans

Inside Info: Morgan was thought to go off the board a little earlier, but he didn’t have the versatility of Brandon Graham, so the former Georgia Tech end slid to the middle of the round. With veteran DE Kyle Vanden Bosch moving on during free agency, Morgan should start right away for the Titans.

17. Mike Iupati, OL, San Francisco 49ers

Inside Info: Head coach Mike Singletary is a proponent of a power running game, and Iutpati is, in the words of a long-tenured NFL scout, “a tough SOB you want in a foxhole.” He fits in with a team that wants to run the ball a lot more than they want to pass it.

18. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Pittsburgh Steelers

Inside Info: Two personnel sources told FOXSports.com that Pouncey could probably play in any offensive scheme with his athleticism and strength. The only issue is whether he’ll wind up playing guard or center for the majority of his career with Pittsburgh.

19. Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Atlanta Falcons

Inside Info: Sources said Weatherspoon was seen as one of the most technically sound defensive players available in the draft, so it wasn't a surprise he went off the board in the first round. His versatility should help an inconsistent Atlanta defense.



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20. Kareem Jackson, CB, Houston Texans

Inside Info: Because of the pro style defense Jackson played in the past few years at the University of Alabama, he went from being a possible mid second-round selection to a first-round pick. He'll likely start right away for Houston.

21. Jermaine Gresham, TE, Cincinnati Bengals

Inside Info: How unproductive have the Bengal tight ends been the past 20 years? They’ve only had one player from that position post at least 50 receptions in a single season (Tony McGee with 55 in 1995.) Gresham was easily the best tight end available, but as a personnel source from another team pointed out, it remains to be seen how much they’ll really throw the ball to him considering all of the other passing options available in their offense.

22. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Denver Broncos

Inside Info: Thomas’ broken foot was thought to be a deterrent for him being selected in the first round. However, sources correctly pointed out his foot would be healed well before training camps started (he worked in recent OTA drills.)

23. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Green Bay Packers

Inside Info: Bulaga fell farther than some thought he would, but he’s seen by some personnel evaluators as being better off at guard. Still, because of Green Bay’s issues at tackle, he’ll get his chance on the outside, not inside.

24. Dez Bryant, WR, Dallas Cowboys

Inside Info: Many teams were scared off by character concerns which caused him to slip, but Dallas looked at Bryant as too good of a value to pass up. Time will tell if his attitude and commitment to the game are commensurate with his enormous talent.

25. Tim Tebow, QB, Denver Broncos

Inside Info: While many analysts feel Tebow’s mechanics will keep him from being a quality starter at the NFL level, former NFL QB Scott Brunner, who tutored Joe Flacco and Brian Hoyer prior to recent drafts, told FOXSports.com that Tebow’s biggest issues are that he’s a long strider when he throws and his body is too low during his throwing motion. However, Brunner also indicated that Tebow’s long release wasn’t as big as an issue as some think.

26. Dan Williams, DT, Arizona Cardinals

Inside Info: Williams was thought to have a solid chance to go much higher. In fact, some personnel evaluators said he could’ve been selected as high as No. 9 to Buffalo. So, Arizona got what appears to be a very good value. The defensive lineman will slide right in at nose tackle as a rookie.

27. Devin McCourty, CB, New England

Inside Info: Most teams had a first-round grade on McCourty, but New England seemingly didn’t need another cornerback considering what they’ve done in recent drafts. But as a source familiar with head coach Bill Belichick’s thinking, McCourty might have been the most versatile defensive back available other than Eric Berry. McCourty’s also a very good special teams player, an area where Belichick puts a high premium.

28. Jared Odrick, DL, Miami Dolphins

Inside Info: This was the area Odrick was supposed to go off the board, sources said. In fact, some believed he would’ve been looked at hard at this selection by the Chargers had they not traded up in this round. Odrick figures to get into the rotation at defensive end right away, but he'll have to make an adjustment playing in Miami's 3-4 defensive scheme.

29. Kyle Wilson, CB, New York Jets

Inside Info: Perhaps one of the biggest surprises of the first round was Wilson’s drop to the bottom end of it. In fact, personnel sources said there were at least five teams picking within the top 20 that considered selecting him. So, why did he drop? It’s hard to believe considering how well he performed during Senior Bowl practices. His move down draft boards remains a mystery to most.

30. Jahvid Best, RB, Detroit Lions

Inside Info: Here’s a guy many liked coming into the draft, but none of the sources FOXSports.com talked to saw going in the first round. However, as a veteran personnel evaluator noted, “you can’t teach speed.” Best should get on the field early based on Detroit’s lack of high-end talent at the position.

31. Jerry Hughes, DE, Indianapolis Colts

Inside Info: Many teams had a low first-round, high second-round grade on Hughes, but the issue was which scheme he’d be better utilized in, a 3-4 or 4-3. He’s the kind of edge rusher who’ll fit in well in Indy’s 4-3.

32. Patrick Robinson, CB, New Orleans Saints

Inside Info: Robinson’s inclusion in the first round was probably a surprise to some considering many teams didn’t have a first-round grade on him. However, a source pointed out that the defensive scheme New Orleans runs was similar to the one he played in at Florida State, so that should help him matriculate into the Saints scheme right away.

I've never been in doubt about the Haden pick. When it was pre-draft and all of the prospects were being hyped. I wanted Eric Berry or Joe Haden. The Chiefs would've been insane to pass on Berry and they didn't which left Haden right there for us when we took him.

There's been a lot of discussion about the worth of taking a player like Haden that high. Is he worth it? To be honest it's really too early to tell. Going into this off season, I felt that the secondary was our single biggest weakness and the moves we've made have addressed that. Haden will be a big part of that, but its too early to tell if he will be a potential #1 corner, or another first round bust. I'm not picking a side until he's played a season and we get a taste of how he will handle NFL play.

I'm not going to write him off after a quiet OTA where there was no tackling.

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7. Joe Haden, CB, Cleveland Browns

Inside Info: This selection was a big surprise to many of Cleveland’s fans, but the fact is Haden was the highest-rated player left on their draft board. General manager Tom Heckert, who was making the personnel decisions for the first time in his career, stuck to his board and went with the best player. However, some other evaluators question Haden’s speed and whether he’ll be able to cover the faster receivers. Eric Wright and Sheldon Brown are expected to open camp with the first-team defense, but Haden figures to work his way up the depth chart quickly

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I can't speak to the rest of the article in that I'm not nearly as familiar with those players and teams as I've become of Haden and the Browns..

But, a couple of questions,,

Was he really that big a surprise for any let alone many cleveland fans? I think not.

Was this really Heckerts first year picking players? No it wasn't. Some will say that he didn't have final authority in Philly.. and that may be true, but it doesn't appear he has final authority here either. As Holmgren and Heckert and Mangini describe it, the three of them listen to everybody involved and then jointly make a decision...

I remember that at the combine, Hadens time wasn't what they all thought it should be.. but if memory serves, on his pro day, he dispelled that myth.. So, what is causing this writer not to know that?

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Re: Haden's pick still debated in Cleveland

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Really? By whom?

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This selection was a big surprise to many of Cleveland’s fans,

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No it wasn't.

I would argue Haden was the least of a surprise has people had him pegged to Cleveland since the end of the College season, perhaps the real surprise is that they actually got a mock draft pick correct.

j/c,

Drafting Rolando McClain would have been a big surprise.. but not Haden.. And as far as his speed goes.. I think he may be one of the fastest CB's we have now.

I hope Haden works out, since afterall he is a Brown now and im pulling for him.

however, he wasn't who I wanted...

if your drafting in the top 10 your drafting there because:

1. you can't stop the run
2. you can't pressure the QB

The Browns have been unable to do either since 94

Haden is not going to pressure the QB or stop the run.

Haden is a good player, in fact if we had more pieces on the front 7 he is probably a pro bowler

however, Haden will get hung out to dry here and may be labeled by many as bust...simply because we can't get pressure on the QB consistently...

your DB are only as good as the pass rush your front 7 gives...and we have no consistent pass rush, and asking Haden or anyone else to cover for 7-9+ seconds is unfair and unreasonable...I just hope people will see Haden a good player and a product of a terrible front 7 3 years from now when we are not getting results.

we need to address our front 7..im a big O-Line guy and D-Front 7 guy

if you can stop the run, and pressure the QB consistently...you can be atleast a .500 football team....but we really didn't address any of those needs, and with Rogers and Smith now both in trouble and big ? we are in trouble....

I would have loved the Haden pick if we had a better Front 7....atleast 1 real pass rusher, and one good run stopping ILB....i'll say we will be in big trouble this coming season...our D-line is aged, and we will have trouble stopping the run and rushing the passer and most likely will be picking in the top 10 again.

Best of luck to you Haden, I know your a good player, and on a team with a decent front 7 your a pro bowler, I just hope our front office addresses our D-front 7 woes soon or it will bea long tenure....

I truly only wanted Eric Berry or Earl Thomas, but I'm happy with Haden right now. That could change down the road though.

I wanted nothing to do with Earl Thomas, so after not getting Berry - I'm quite pleased that we remained focused on addressing the secondary.

Haden is a fine choice.

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if your drafting in the top 10 your drafting there because:

1. you can't stop the run
2. you can't pressure the QB

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3. You have a QB that throws picks and fumbles or can't get the ball to any receivers

4. You don't have receivers that can catch

5. You don't have a running game

6. you don't have a secondary that can cover

7. your special teams suck

you get my point,, there are more possible reasons than the two you pointed out..

It so happens that we had several of those and a few others..

the Point of taking Haden is you gotta start somewhere.. CB is as good a place as any..

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if your drafting in the top 10 your drafting there because:

1. you can't stop the run
2. you can't pressure the QB

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I dunno about your post man. Who would you have preferred, McClain? That DE out of Georgia Tech?

What I saw last year was a team that consistently pressured the QB but had trouble covering receivers. We were absolutely destroyed by underneath routes last season. Our secondary was absolutely pathetic. When teams needed to throw on us, they could.

My favorite thing about Ryan is that he actually likes to pressure the QB. Have you watched the Browns over the past couple years? We got more pressure on the QB this year than we ever have. That's because Ryan loves to blitz. It makes the game entertaining, but when you have a secondary like ours, we were exposed in the passing game. Diam used to say that CBs get you off the field on 3rd down, and last year showed me how important that position was. I agree with him, the other team shotguns the ball on 3rd and long (or they run some other obvious passing play), and our secondary continues to let us down year after year. Now we have Sheldon Brown and Haden this year. Hopefully that will stop

But yeah, I'm really interested, who did you want instead? When Eric Berry didn't go to us, Joe Haden was the next guy in line for me. A first round pick like him could play his career in Cleveland.

I don't have many doubts at all about Joe Haden. Good character, played against good competition, started since frosh year at FLA, and he plays a position that IMO is not easy to fill later in the draft. Eric Wright and him should be a great combo for many years (presuming Wright re-signs and continues to improve)

Knight,

Petey stole my thunder. Who would you have taken with the 7th pick over Haden? And you can't say trade down because from all reports, we were very willing to......we just had no good offers.

Haden was the best pick at that piont and time, I beleive any other pick at that point would have been a reach.

So, and this is so old as the draft is long gone, but who would you ahve taken at 7 if not Haden?

If consensus on a pick is any indication, Haden will be a bust. It seems like anytime we are all in agreement on a pick they suck.

When he attack each other and name call, ala Joe Thomas v BQ v AP, or Alex Mack v Rey Malaluga, we seem to do alright.

At that point...sitting where we were sitting at, I would have taken Spiller RB out of Clemson

look we haven't had a bona fide Rb here since Earnest Byner....

People say Franchise RB are not necessary, or over rated,however winning a championship is much easier having one.

I see Spiller as a "poor mans" Thurman Thomas..he doesn't quit have Thomas's slipperiness, however he has great speed, good hands, is a threat to catch and run, and the kid is a fine blocker with breakaway speed.

Spiller is a complete back....and he will be a very good back in this league....Spiller is a kid that could consistently rush for 1200 yards and catch about 750-800 yards receiving...big part of your offense. imagine a 1,120 yard rusher and 800 yard receiving back on this team for a minute,....think about that..what that does for your team...

running the ball is just as important as stopping the run

If you can't:

1. stop the run
2. rush the QB
3. run the ball

we could have solved #3 will Spiller

and please don't talk about Hillis, Harrison, or Davis...all those guys are unproven and may amount to jack squat...fact is had we taken Spiller, he comes in and starts day one and is clearly seen to be head shoulders above any RB we have on this roster, its not even a contest...

again our RB are putrid, so it doesn't take much, but Spiller will be a very good Rb and I though he filled more of a need...

just my 2 cent

that hindsight however, I hope Joe works out...we just better get some kind of pass rush for the kid...judging the kid with no pass rush 3 years from now is unfair..

Fair enough Knight, I don't agree but fair enough.

There now, BpG, we have a disagreement, feel better about Haden now......

In all seriousness, I don't think Spiller was worth the #7 pick. Yea, I do think he will be a good RB, but I don't think he is the style of RB we are trying to get. He just doesn't strike me as a AFC North runner. Harrison is no Spiller, but I believe that they are the same "style" of RB. With Harrison and Hardesty we have our 1-2 punch.

Again, Kniight, that was a fair response, I just don't agree.........I know, that just ruins your day doesn't it

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People say Franchise RB are not necessary, or over rated,however winning a championship is much easier having one.

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I don't think they are over rated or unnecessary.. I just think that finding a Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice, Knowshon Moreno is easier than finding a Darrell Revis...

I would think that your point is exactly what they were thinking.

Harrison is 5'9" and 205 ... and they were worried about him holding up. Spiller is 5' 11" and 195.

I think that Hardesty is much more in line with the Feature Back build for the AFC North.

Fair enough ncdawg

I just want to state that I don't think Haden is a bad pick at all, I can understand why they went the way that they went...I just thought Rb was a bigger area of need for us...

As for the size argument, Spiller has a good bit of room to grow, and the kid will probably play around the 210-215 pound mark...thats plenty big enough RB for the AFC North.

also Spiller is all about speed and everyone knows speed kills...In fact, I doubt there is even a single defender in this whole division that could catch Spiller in the open field, and i can guarantee you will never see him get caught from behind like you see Harrison does....

Spiller also takes a ton of pressure off our Qb and I still say Cleveland puts too much on our QB..you look at Big Ben, Flacco, even Palmer..all have very good Rb behind them..Palmer was awful the last two years until Benson emerged...

a premiere Rb greatly increases McCoy's chances of being successful here, it helps all our QB...it helps our Wr and our OL

Look how Hasselbecks play suffered when Alexander got nagged with injuries and fell off...he was a big part of Hasselbecks success as a QB..having a proven bona fide RB behind your QB makes the QB job a ton easier and it also keeps the blitz from coming as often if you can run the ball..

the BIG if here is if our RB we have on our Roster can't produce a consistent rushing attack.....we will be in trouble in a very bad way...

I see Spiller as a guy that can run off tackle left all day behind Steinbach and Thomas and get over 1100 yards his rookie year, and probably catch for 500 more receiving out of the backfield...not bad for a rookie RB

he is also a fantastic return man that could pick up the load if superman Cribbs get hurt for some reason we won't have a huge drop off, as the return game is so important to us....

I do look for us to have trouble running the ball this year...I just don't see this group we having being able to do it...i so hope I eat crow, but I just don't see it happening...

But anyways, As I said Im pulling for Joe Haden, I hope he pans out into a good player for us...Because he seems like a good kid...

J/C

The way I see it, we needed outfielders and we got them. For right now, I'm content. We'll see how it looks when camp starts.

BTW.. Is it time for camp yet?

Ok ok, smartypants.. We needed Corners and Safeties and we got them. Sheesh..

Hmm.. Maybe Choo can play FS?

While I don't disagree with parts of that, I don't see why you think we won't be able to run. We have upgraded at RB since last year. Hillis has proven he can get the tough yards, JH has also proven he can carry the load, at least on a part time basis. Now with the Rook, who is a very good runner, it looks like were well on our way. Thats not even counting Davis & whats-his face.

Knight, I must agree with your insight
1. you can't stop the run
2. you can't pressure the QB
...we lost our best pass rusher in Wimbley and now must use Roth and whoever is left...really a pass rusher was important but pass coverage helps eery pass rush so why did we trade Wimbley???? He was just barely there for a sack every pass play and he shoul dhave been much better with coverage.

if your drafting in the top 10 your drafting there because:

1. you can't stop the run
2. you can't pressure the QB

The Browns have been unable to do either since 94

Haden is not going to pressure the QB or stop the run.



For a top 5-7 pick there wasn't anyone there who could do that..and the better DB was off the board..I don't have a issue with Haden,maybe cuze I saw him play and maybe he was the safest pick..his pickup allows the corners to get stronger..obviously the weaker area on defense..sometimes U guys don't get it..

I know how much it has to kill you giving props to a Seminole like that.

The powers that be must have seen something in Wimbley.. I don't know that he was GREAT, but to get a rid of a guy like that for moderate compensation then not make a major play to replace him... They must see something in somebody else on the roster and feel they can fill that spot better.

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They must see something in somebody else on the roster and feel they can fill that spot better.

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Or at least as well as he did.

When i learned Savage wanted Kam I asked myself something..same thing I asked when the Botch selected Gerard Warren..why do I not remember this guy when I see these teams play all the time?
I saw Kam in his time there had only amassed 12 sacks in 3-4 years..was never a force against the run nor was he a QB terror..I didn't like the pick then and thought Rac totally Botched it when he wanted a pass rusher instead of getting the run stuffer.

Your right Attack at the top 5-7 there was no one there that could do #1 or #2

however there was someone there that could do #3

Have you ever read Paul Browns book? I must ask because in his book Paul Brown States that good teams who win do 3 things consistently in this order:

1. Stop the Run
2. Pressure the QB
3. Run the ball

since at the top 5-7 pick #1 and #2 was out...but #3 was clearly there in C.J Spiller the RB...we needed a play maker on Offense, we would be much better off with Spiller, Harrison, and James Davis then we are right now.

Spiller is head and shoulders better then any Rb on this roster and would start day one no question. He is a good blocker, a great receiver out of the backfield, has excellent vision and is a naturally good runner...he could play at the 210lb mark in the NFL and be fine...

having a consistent good rushing attack will do wonders for this team...Spiller made more sense....its unrealistic to think we will have the continued success running the ball with these guys we got now like we did last year...with this current crop I doubt it happens...

Again I am not saying Haden is a bad player, he will get hung out to dry here due to no pass rush as always in typical Browns fashion the kid is being set up to fail here with this pedestrian pass rush, forget about it...

I am not asking or trying to convince anyone, I just thought RB and Spiller made more sense at that point.....

regardless, thats all behind us now

we just all need to unite and have Haden's back he is a Brown now, and I am pulling for the kid because he seems to have a great personality and you want to see those types of guys do well!

Wimbley had 11 sacks his rookie year and required a double team (according to the Patroits). He was not super but who was better that we could use? DOn't get rid of the talent until you have a replacement. Who is our replacement?

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Most people don't like selecting a corner early yet they also don't like Ralph Brown or Hank Potete covering(attempting) people.


Something has to give.


I am glad we made the pick.

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we just all need to unite and have Haden's back he is a Brown now, and I am pulling for the kid because he seems to have a great personality and you want to see those types of guys do well!

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I understand that you wanted a RB, but this comment leads me to believe that you feel all Haden is, is a personality. When reality is that he is a player.