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Exactly, he was a projected top 10 pick that we drafted at #7.... if somebody thought a RB would have been a better pick thats fine but there is no need to make it sound like we left the plantation to draft some obscure nobody from West State Tech in the first round...
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Easy now.. back off Botch. and that wasn't with the 7th overall pick... 
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Wimbley had 11 sacks his rookie year and required a double team (according to the Patroits). He was not super but who was better that we could use? DOn't get rid of the talent until you have a replacement. Who is our replacement?
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...and thought Rac totally Botched it when he wanted a pass rusher instead of getting the run stuffer.
In hindsight we'd have been better off with the run stuffer we could have had, but I'm not as sure RAC botched it by wanting a pass rusher first so much as the pass rusher we got was questionable.
Wimbley did start out well. But offenses found a way to stall him early in his second year and he could never overcome that.
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which is why, especialy when you are as bad as we've been, you take BPA... you don't take a pass rusher over a run stopper when the run stopper is almost a sure thing and the pass rusher is a bit of a reach.. It is moves like that (many of them) which define why we are where we are now....
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i don't see how this guy can say the pick was a surprise, a ton of people had him going to the browns in their mock drafts.
i'm not worried about speed, a lot of the best corners in the nfl don't have blazing speed. seems like a lot of them turn in a little bit of their speed for bulk and strength..
i think he'll be fine, and with brown and wright on the team, he won't be tossed to the wolves right away. they'll get him in there in spots.
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i'm not worried about speed, a lot of the best corners in the nfl don't have blazing speed. seems like a lot of them turn in a little bit of their speed for bulk and strength..
Not only that, but a 40 is running straight. A lot of times a CB is backpedaling and then turning their hips. Being able to do this fast (backpedal) and then the way the CB is able to move their hips is crucial.
And then as you said, there's the jam at the LOS to throw off timing between WR and QB/slow down the receiver
I loved the Haden pickup. People get angry because we picked up Sheldon Brown, but if Haden is on the team for many years, those same people will change their tune. Brown is in his 30's. CB is a vital position and was a weak spot for us last year. With 3 CBs we should have many more options to blitz. Plus Haden is a good blitzer (from what I remember from the one or two FLA games I watched this year. May be Peen can back me up or tell me I'm wrong, he'd know better than me)
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Joe Haden expects to sign before Browns camp starts Posted by Michael David Smith on July 7, 2010 7:42 PM ET The agent for Cleveland Browns rookie cornerback Joe Haden says the seventh overall pick in the draft expects to be signed and ready to go before training camp starts. "We've been in contact with the Browns and expect to begin negotiating next week,'' agent Malik Shareef told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "Our main objective is to get Joe in camp on time so he can perform to the best of his abilities. A holdout would not be in anyone's best interests.'' The Browns have indicated that they plan to work Haden in slowly in training camp, but realistically, it would be a disappointment if Haden doesn't earn a spot in the starting lineup. Haden is expected to compete with Sheldon Brown for a starting job in training camp. Eric Wright will be the Browns' other starting cornerback. web page
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Excellent words. I hope they back them up.
While I'll feel a little disappointment if he isn't a starter, I will completely understand and I won't even think about holding it against anyone.
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The Browns have indicated that they plan to work Haden in slowly in training camp, but realistically, it would be a disappointment if Haden doesn't earn a spot in the starting lineup.
Haden is expected to compete with Sheldon Brown for a starting job in training camp. Eric Wright will be the Browns' other starting cornerback.
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In the interest of honest reporting, PFT changed the wording of the last two paragraphs of the "original" article from the Plain Dealer, which reads...
Haden, the No. 7 overall pick out of Florida, worked with the first- and second-teams during organized team activities and minicamp. He will compete with Sheldon Brown for a starting spot opposite Eric Wright, but figures to play a key role in sub-defenses.
Rookies report to Berea the last week in July and veterans take the field on July 31st.
Not that it matters that much, but PFT does like to put their spin on articles they lift from other sources...in an effort to drive a story line or create an "issue".
IF...Haden does not start...replacing Eric Wright, it will be an indication to me that Hayden is either a slow learner or not the best corner in the draft.
Many of the stories that surface during the rookie signing season are done with a "purpose" in mind...attempting to plant seeds in the mind of the rookie and his agent...all in an attempt to get the rookie signed ASAP.
In this story, it looks as though the reporter got input for the story from both the player's agent and the Browns. Worth noting...it looks as though the Browns have not even begun the negotiating process yet and Hayden's agent is singling that they are ready to begin the process.
I do have a hard time believing that Hayden will be competing with Sheldon Brown for a starting job. Sheldon Brown plays right corner and Hayden played left corner at Florida.
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In hindsight we'd have been better off with the run stuffer we could have had
This isn't hindsight by me.it's hindsight when u don't say anything until after a selection bombs out and then claim "Oh we shoulda done this or that"..I always state my case before the draft...sometimes U guys say this way too much ..it was debated when I first learned about it and posted it..a month before the draft is when I read where Phil was enamoured with Wimbley two years before...so he got his out when Rac said he wanted a pass rusher..remember the staff debated heavily what to do..
I said they would be better taking Ngata..a few others understood that big guy(Washington) that they brought in was old and worn down and couldn't play anymore....
Now the rub is that the Browns were never a forcwe up the middle...the logical thing would have been to bolster the middle of the defense..The Browns could have gotten a better pass rusher later in the draft..if Mourg were posting he'd remind U of the conversations we had concerning the tweeners we were hoping the Browns would pursue..
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The good thing is that as of right now about a third of the 3rd round draft picks have signed contracts. In the coming weeks, the 2nd rounders will be filtering into play and then the 1st rounders.
As always, there will be some that don't sign in time get into camp. Let's hope the above words are sincere and he can make it into Berea on schedule.
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While I don't think anyone SERIOUSLY debated the haden pick your posts is one that is hard to argue and with i find much agreement.
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just another example of how the national media is out of touch with this particular sports "market"
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just another example of how the national media is out of touch with this particular sports "market"
Exactly, if they were in touch they would know that the selection of Tim Couch is still debated.. so of course Haden is going to be debated.. now and for years to come.
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don't get me wrong, i like haden, and i think it's a sold pick, a smart pick, but i am still a little upset we've gone a few years now without addressing our front 7 in the draft. and i think that is where we need the most help outside of qb. but you can't fix everything at once.
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I didn't read the whole thread but from what I did it appears that some have underestimated the value of a great corner. As a Bengal fan, I witnessed firsthand how quickly a defense can improve with good corner play. Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph allow the Bengals defense to do so many things. In fact, the Bengals defense finished 4th in the NFL last year without any great pass rush. If Haden develops into a shutdown corner, your defense will look light years better than what you have seen. It was a solid pick.
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Ok stop it right now... the last thing we need on here is a Bengals fan that seems knowledgable and has common sense... so cut it out. 
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Ok stop it right now... the last thing we need on here is a Bengals fan that seems knowledgable and has common sense... so cut it out.
Only in mythology does such a person exist.
It still was a good post tho.
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Pssst.. that's not REALLY LeBron James.. 
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just another example of how the national media is out of touch with this particular sports "market"
Exactly, if they were in touch they would know that the selection of Tim Couch is still debated.. so of course Haden is going to be debated.. now and for years to come.
or how the Joe Thomas picks is still debated by a few diehard Adrian Peterson backers.
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those people are just crackheads.
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This isn't hindsight by me.
Not your hindsight Bro., mine. You're up front, always have been and you eat your crow when you've got it coming. There's a few of you on here.
I do feel RAC knew what he needed. They just didn't get the guy they thought they were getting in Wimbley. I think RAC was wanting some QB pressure so opponents wouldn't eat our secondary the way they went on and ate our secondary for the next few years.
Wimbley is not that bad a player and I believe we'll miss him to some small degree. But he never was the terror you need at his position, so as a high pick it was a fail.
In hindsight, mine , I would have loved to have gotten Ngata. Savage was the "talent evaluator". He should have told RAC, "I know you want a pass rusher but Wimbley just ain't gonna cut it. I'd like you to reconsider the DL because this Ngata guy will be a stalworth on your line for years."
That's the job of a talent evaluating GM. He should already have known how to pick a 3-4 OLB from his years with the Rats. They kinda did ok at it. He should have seen something missing in Wimbley.
If he gave-in to RAC, (and we all know RAC is not a pushy guy nor an intimidating personality), then it was a fail at his GM duties and talent evaluation skills like many of his other fails.
Don't really want to turn this into a Savage bashing event but it irks me now that he was so pleased with himself the way he "out-smarted" the Rats by giving them Ngata for a 6th round pick. 
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I'd like you to reconsider the DL because this Ngata guy will be a stalworth on your line for years."
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Sorry .. usually not one for spelling stuff ... but that one was kinda funny.
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Dante?
Sorry .. usually not one for spelling stuff ... but that one was kinda funny.
I think you meant Donte'.
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Touche' Although, I'm hoping he lost his "O" when he went to Baltimore.
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Maybe in Baltimore he'll get some Stalwarts on his fingers.
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I think as you look back, all the reports about PS & RAC. PS wanted KW so bad, that when they talked about it after the draft, you just kinda got the feeling that when PS said he talked it over with RAC about what he wanted, you knew it was PS telling RAC what he wanted.
After they both got the boot, the reports of PS trying to take over everything, it kind of makes sense now. I don't think RAC really wanted KW anymore than he did the LB that he took with our 4th rd pick.
Edit: I think the name was Bell on the LBer.
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Hey! I checked that on dictionary.com. Your catching that was funny though. I never even thought of it.
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just another example of how the national media is out of touch with this particular sports "market"
Exactly, if they were in touch they would know that the selection of Tim Couch is still debated.. so of course Haden is going to be debated.. now and for years to come.
or how the Joe Thomas picks is still debated by a few diehard Adrian Peterson backers.
In a do-over, Thomas would not be around for the Browns selection... Oakland took J. Russell...
I don't understand how anyone would question selection a 3 time-probowler (as of now), with the potential to be a 15 year starter.
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