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I'm with DC. I've never got the whole "2nd favorite team" thing.
There are teams that I like to see do well if my team isn't, but like DC said, it changes depending on the situation.
Like, I like to see the Braves do well, cuz I like Bobby Cox. Bobby Cox is retiring after this year, so after this year, I won't have a reason to hope they do well.
In the NFL, I like to see Carolina do well, cuz I absolutely love John Fox as a coach. If he gets fired, or leaves for something else, I won't care one way or the other how Carolina does.
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Yeah Petey because a team can win 60+ games 2 years in a row with no talent other than lebron.. Riiight.. If that was the case then there wouldn't be all this talk that Lebron needs a partner in crime. Is he going to win 72 games with another star on his team? Yeah the Cavs lost in the playoffs. Ever hear the phrase "anything can happen in the playoffs". The team that went to the NBA finals was less talented than the past 2 playoff teams. So please explain how the Cavs failed with putting talent around him again?
Actually nevermind your not even a Cavs fan so don't pretend you know. I don't even consider you a Browns fan. You're probably a closet Steelers fan. You're a front runner dude, no excuses. Just face the facts. I think the Steelers message board is calling you.
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Don't worry when the Knicks are bad because Lebron doesn't sign his Ray Allen jersey will come back from the rafters.
I'm surprised that he isn't a Patriots fan yet.
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Who are you?  But seriously, what do you mean the team that went to the Finals the last two years were less talented? Take LeBron away from the Cavs, and name one position on the court the Cavs are better than either Orlando or Boston.
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Not arguing, are you going to change your posting name if Lebron leaves?
What will you become? May I suggest, Mo Williams or Delonte West. Hahahaha
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But seriously, what do you mean the team that went to the Finals the last two years were less talented?
Take LeBron away from the Cavs, and name one position on the court the Cavs are better than either Orlando or Boston.
What he means is, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the Cavs team that went to the finals 3 years ago was less talented than the last two Cavs teams that didn't make it to the finals...
In short, the Cavs have gotten better, they just didn't make it back to the finals for one reason or another.. he's not saying the Magic or the Celtics are more or less talented than the Cavs...
Hope that is correct and hope it helps.
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Mo Williams showed up in the playoffs???  Wow how quickly we forget that mo was a no show when we needed him as well.
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Mo Williams showed up in the playoffs???
Wow how quickly we forget that mo was a no show when we needed him as well.
Who said Mo showed up in the playoffs?
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Gotcha. I read it like 3 times, and couldn't quite figure out what he was trying to say 
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and for all the bagging you are doing on the cavs, they won 60+ back to back years, and it was lebron who failed us in the playoffs. not antawn jamison, not mo williams, none of those guys.
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the team was built around lebron. lebron didn't play well, the rest of the team did not play well. mo played well in spots. probably won us game 1 against boston.
he's a guy who plays off of lebron. he's not a guy that creates a lot on his own. when are people going to get that? it's always been that way. we know that when he came over that he was a combo guy, undersized, that could run the floor and shoot well.
when you turn the ball over 9 times in a must win game 6. and you're the leader of the team? it's on you.
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The Celtics and Lakers were in 5 of the last 6 NBA Finals "spots" ... and both were massively improved through sketchy lopsided trades organized by former players working with/for other teams. The Cavs have improved quite a bit considering the circumstances, and are still on the cusp of taking down teams like Celtics and Lakers. If only it was Mark Price who was the GM of the Suns instead of Steve Kerr ... we would of had Amar'e last July for nothing. 
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Take LeBron away from the Cavs, and name one position on the court the Cavs are better than either Orlando or Boston.
Thank you for reiterating my point. I think the Cavs will have trouble going .500 without Lebron.
As for Centerfield or whatever: You have seven posts, therefore know nothing about me or my loyalties buddy. I don't live in Cleveland, but I watch EVERY Browns game. I pay for a flight every fall to go and watch the Browns once a season in the stadium.
In fact, in a couple years I will probably attempt to make it to every single Browns game one season (what I see, as my ultimate act of loyalty for my favorite team, should be a blast, gonna get a big truck and an RV to throw behind it and will fly to the away games that are too far to drive to). I don't need my loyalty to the Browns questioned 
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Wow how quickly we forget that mo was a no show when we needed him as well.
I don't understand why people think Mo Williams is supposed to be our #2 guy. He's not even paid like it. He's a guy who can run the floor and offer a three point threat, while occasionally running an offense to spell Lebron. For the most part, he does that.
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I don't understand why people think Mo Williams is supposed to be our #2 guy. He's not even paid like it. He's a guy who can run the floor and offer a three point threat, while occasionally running an offense to spell Lebron. For the most part, he does that.
Well then who is your number 2 guy Excl?
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We don't have a #2 guy. That's not Mo's fault.
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We don't have a #2 guy. That's not Mo's fault.
But that's probably why Lebron James is leaving Cleveland. Would you blame him? How can he win a championship when he has no one to compliment him. And that's why that Celtics series isn't Lebron's fault. And that's why without Lebron the Cavs will suck.
That's been my point, and I imagine you'd agree with me
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Okay Pete you got all the answers, where could the cavs have picked up a number #2 they tried with Amare but Kerr got cold feet. So where in the past three years did the Cavs have the chance for a #2 and not take it?
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We don't have a #2 guy. That's not Mo's fault.
Hey you can't blame Mo! He is what he is! A solid PG!
Well that's what the rest of the board wants you to believe
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Don't even bother, its not worth exciting him. No matter what he will think he's right, even though I hardly see him in the Cavs discussion all year.
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Okay Pete you got all the answers, where could the cavs have picked up a number #2 they tried with Amare but Kerr got cold feet. So where in the past three years did the Cavs have the chance for a #2 and not take it?
This is a situation I'm not sure of. Obviously I don't follow your team the way that you do. But guys like Shaq, Jamison, Whiteboy Wally Szerbiack (god I hated that guy on the Celtics, worse trade the C's ever made, so happy when we let you have him), aren't gonna do it for you.
But what I don't get is why your cap situation is what it is. Why all these other teams can get Lebron and another player or can compliment their players with Lebron, while the Cavaliers are stuck only being able to make an offer to Lebron.
Had you not gotten Jamison, would the Cavaliers have had the cap room to pick up another FA? Same thing with Shaq, had Cleveland not picked up O'Neil, would they have had the cap room to find a decent FA? It just seems to me the Cavs have some expensive players that suck.........
Obviously it is almost like a gift and curse that the Cavs do great in the regular season but don't have the talent to play well during the playoffs. Therefore they get low (or high, however you look at it) draft picks.
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Don't even bother, its not worth exciting him. No matter what he will think he's right, even though I hardly see him in the Cavs discussion all year.
People here seem to be getting frustrated.
I hope there won't be any hard feelings toward me during the Browns season. We are on the same side when it comes to football and I love the Browns as much as anyone, cool? 
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1. you did not let us get wally. wally came over from the sonics.
2. getting jamison was irrelevant when talking about our cap space. the varejao deal, which i've heard lbj pushed for because that's his guy, took us out of the sweepstakes for other big time FA's.
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Shaq is a FA and off our books already. He has zero impact on our ability to sign a FA.
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1. you did not let us get wally. wally came over from the sonics.
2. getting jamison did nothing to hurt our cap space. the varejao deal, which i've heard lbj pushed for because that's his guy, took us out of the sweepstakes for other big time FA's.
Ah, Sczerbiack went to Sonics when the C's got Ray Allen. Now I remember. Well they were really stupid of the Sonics for agreeing to take him........
And that sucks about the Varejao thing. But yeah, I guess it's too bad that there's nothing you could do about getting more cap space. Sounds like the Cavs are stuck in a tough place. You know I did (and still do) want Lebron to stay in Cleveland, he's a lot more important to you guys than he is to me in NYC.
I guess there's little that the Cavs can do, that really sucks. The NBA salary cap structure has always frustrated me. I'm sorry for pissing some of you guys off, and I understand this situation is frustrating. I just have a lot of respect for Lebron's game, and it's too bad that there wasn't a better team that could be put around him
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yeah, but if him coming here meant it would be a huge part of bringing lbj back, i think cavs fans would forgive him quickly.
the guy can play, he's a solid low post presence. but the paxson/gund fiasco aside, i worry about the guy's health.
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It would be ironic, a man who stabbed the cavs in the back returns to basically save there behinds
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Shaq is a FA and off our books already. He has zero impact on our ability to sign a FA.
not entirely true. shaq does not negatively affect us, yes.
however, we can still use him in a sign-n-trade to get a guy like Haywood from the Mavs and still have the MLE to use on others.
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for as bad as the cavs financial situation looks now. they actually have some flexibility right now, and in the next 2 years will be rid of the jamison, williams contract which is what about 20m?
andy is signed for a while, but i honestly think he's valuable when you have other pieces in place. that guys does a lot of things on the floor that don't end up in box scores and fantasy leagues. and he plays good defense. aside from dwight howard he can handle a lot of the bigs in the nba.
they will have cap space in the next few years.
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for as bad as the cavs financial situation looks now. they actually have some flexibility right now, and in the next 2 years will be rid of the jamison, williams contract which is what about 20m?
It's actually 24 mil, however it won't mean much because there free agency class is weak.
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for as bad as the cavs financial situation looks now. they actually have some flexibility right now, and in the next 2 years will be rid of the jamison, williams contract which is what about 20m?
It's actually 24 mil, however it won't mean much because there free agency class is weak.
cap space can always be used in trades to acquire pieces from teams that need to cut salary.
if Chris Paul decides to leave and wants to join LeBron (for instance). we could do a sign-n-trade with NO and give them back players without worrying about matching up salaries (pipe dream of course)
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for as bad as the cavs financial situation looks now. they actually have some flexibility right now, and in the next 2 years will be rid of the jamison, williams contract which is what about 20m?
It's actually 24 mil, however it won't mean much because there free agency class is weak.
do you know who's in that class?
maybe it's better that it's not big names, since those guys don't wanna play there anyway.
isn't cp3 a FA in 2 yrs?
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for as bad as the cavs financial situation looks now. they actually have some flexibility right now, and in the next 2 years will be rid of the jamison, williams contract which is what about 20m?
It's actually 24 mil, however it won't mean much because there free agency class is weak.
do you know who's in that class?
maybe it's better that it's not big names, since those guys don't wanna play there anyway.
isn't cp3 a FA in 2 yrs?
I'm pretty sure that would be CP3 and Dwight's class because they both have player options which I expect them to pass on.
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Let's see ..... Lebron James Dwight Howard Chris Paul Anyone Anyone I'd take that starting lineup.
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here's our info for the cavs salary for the next few years from the espn trade machine. someone chime in if there is any thing extra to add, since i know there are different stipulations, etc...
off the books next summer...
daniel green about 500k
jj hickson 1.4m (both he and green would be restricted, correct?)
jamario moon 3m (i think that is a great bargain)
anthony parker 2.6m
leon powe 900k
sebastian telfair (not sure of what he's making, his contract this year was 2.5m)
and there is delonte west who could be waived right now 4.2m to owing him just 500k
2 summers from now...
jamison 11.6m
mo williams 8.8m
after that the only guys on the books are boobie at 4m until 2013 and andy at 6.3 for the next 5 seasons (although i know he has different $$ in different years too cause its up to 49m right?i know some money is incentive based)
we actually have flexibility next year.
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Exactally so we wouldn't be in a complete hell hole situation. We don't have crazy contracts for the next 5 years. You're forgetting JJ in 2 years.
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Well it's apparent you have no clue about how the Cavs got their free agents and why they have no cap space. Many of the trades made were to rectify bad decisions made by Paxson in the early years of the Cavs and to clear bad contracts we took on the FIRST time we had to "prove" to Lebron that we would spend money to make him happy. Wally wasn't the main peice of that trade ... he was more or less thrown in to get salaries to match. That trade was mainly about freeing up cap space and getting rid of Larry Hughes and getting in Ben Wallce, who was also a terrible contract, but a much better fit for our team than Hughes. Hughes was signed, because the first time Lebron was a free agent, everyone in the media was adament that we spend our free agent money on *somebody* ... otherwise it would show we didn't care about surrounding Lebron with talent. So Ferry went out and overpaid for the three best guys in free agency that year ... Hughes, Marshall and Jones. Three contracts that would later haunt us. Around that time, we also made a huge contract offer to Z, on Lebron's insistance. That Wallace/Wally/West trade was a major upgrade over what we had, and probably the best one we could get with the trading pieces we had. Paxson had traded away all our draft picks, and our team was stocked full of junk that he had picked when he actually drafted. A few summers later we traded peanuts for Mo Williams, who's ~$8 million a year contract is respectable for a starting 3rd or 4th option. Around that time, we also made a large offer to Andy, also on Lebron's insistance, which essentially blew our cap space for signing Free Agents this summer. The thinking was, it was better to show a commitment to winning now, rather than sucking like the Knicks and Heat for two years, and hoping Lebron and other Free Agents would still want to play here. Considering that Bosh just turned down a full-max offer to play here with Lebron and an established roster ... that was probably the right move. Then last summer, we traded for Shaq and gave away nothing ... a move that was needed considering the Orlando series, and also a move that was the best available. In the winter we traded for Jamison ... also the best move out there, since Kerr wouldn't part with Amar'e. That leaves us with our current team. A 60+ game winning team, with no distinct #2 guy, but has plenty of secondary options. By the way ... that same "sucky" supporting cast almost beat Rose and Noah with no Lebron or Shaq, and others getting limited minutes. So like we said ... name one move that the Cavs could of done to drastically improve ... that doesn't involve a former player making a sketchy move as the GM of an opposing team. 
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The Celtics and Lakers were in 5 of the last 6 NBA Finals "spots" ... and both were massively improved through sketchy lopsided trades organized by former players working with/for other teams.
The Cavs have improved quite a bit considering the circumstances, and are still on the cusp of taking down teams like Celtics and Lakers. If only it was Mark Price who was the GM of the Suns instead of Steve Kerr ... we would of had Amar'e last July for nothing.
umm, steve kerr was a Cav. played with Danny Ferry in fact.
actually, played with Ferry in Cleveland, then again in San Antonio later in their careers.
it's a shame Nash wasn't hurt last year and the Suns had postseason hopes or we may have ended up with Amare.
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