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NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said in a recent interview that his "foremost" mission as the head of America's space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.
Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA's orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.
"When I became the NASA administrator -- or before I became the NASA administrator -- he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview.
The NASA administrator was in the Middle East last month marking the one-year anniversary since Obama delivered an address to Muslim nations in Cairo. Bolden spoke in June at the American University in Cairo -- in his interview with Al Jazeera, he described space travel as an international collaboration of which Muslim nations must be a part.
"It is a matter of trying to reach out and get the best of all worlds, if you will, and there is much to be gained by drawing in the contributions that are possible from the Muslim (nations)," he said. He held up the International Space Station as a model, praising the contributions there from the Russians and the Chinese.
However, Bolden denied the suggestion that he was on a diplomatic mission -- in a distinctly non-diplomatic role.
"Not at all. It's not a diplomatic anything," he said.
He said the United States is not going to travel beyond low-Earth orbit on its own and that no country is going to make it to Mars without international help.
Bolden has faced criticism this year for overseeing the cancellation of the agency's Constellation program, which was building new rockets and spaceships capable of returning astronauts to the moon. Stressing the importance of international cooperation in future missions, Bolden told Al Jazeera that the moon, Mars and asteroids are still planned destinations for NASA. Can anyone, please, tell me what the hell relations with a religion has to do with Space?
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He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.
He's calling them eggheads. What a racist SOB. 
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Can anyone, please, tell me what the hell relations with a religion has to do with Space?
Maybe they found a way to jet to the stars using:
1. Petroleum
2. Pyramid's as teleportation devices
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3. Can strap suicide bombers onto the bottoms of rockets for propulsion.
There is no reason for this. Just another stupid mandate to another under qualified member of the big 0's administration.
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That's a great mission for NASA.....maybe we can find out how their magic flying carpets work..
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and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering,
Has a Muslim nation been to space yet? I believe half a dozen countries have... maybe if a Muslim country comes in 7th in the race to get into space, Obama can give them a trophy, that should make them feel better for coming in 7th.... 
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This is completely off topic here .....
Well .. mostly off topic anyway ....
But ... what happened to the Muslim world?
The Muslim world was responsible for preserving much of the knowledge that would have otherwise been lost during the Dark Ages.
The Muslim world of that time had scholars .. mathematicians .... writers ..... philosophers .... scientists ...... and they had a head start on the "Western World". The Ottoman Empire was a power in these discilpines through the 16th century.
Then things changed They could have advanced so far beyond other contemporary societies in all of these disciplines ... but instead almost remained stagnant and allowed the rest of the world to catch up .... and pass them up in almost every scientific and technological arena.
When we compare Western Society and its advances from the 16th century forward against Muslin advances during the same timeframe, I wonder what happened. Sure dogma may have come into play ... but what would have changed that dramatically between the 16th century and modern times?
I may have to study this a bit. It might be interesting and enlightening.
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This might be a bit off topic...
I watched Apollo 13 a month ago and seeing that movie made me a bit angry at the government and NASA for really losing the focus on the space program. Obama shouldn't have tried to cancel the constellation program because in all reality it's best to go back to a proven technology system with better advancements.
I understand there are bigger problems in america such as the fledgling economy but many technologies and products that we take for granted these days were made possible through space travel. Some of these products include cordless power tools, teflon, memory foam, glass cockpits, many lightweight materials and the list goes on and on.
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I think they are saying, they want all countries involved in space exploration.
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When you think about it, launching all fanatical muslims into space might be a good solution.
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Well ... both scientists and muslims hate Christians, so maybe they have some common goals? ... and yes, I'm being facetious.  
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What a great idea.. we should get the Muslim nations involved in NASA.. Look at all of the benefits it provides them, especially the terrorist nations..
We can teach them what we know about multi-stage booster rockets that project things into low earth orbit, jet propulsion, laser guidance systems, how to build and launch satelites that can be used for a variety of purposes.. absolutely this is stuff that I want Iran and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to know.. surely this would only make them like us more.
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Can anyone, please, tell me what the hell relations with a religion has to do with Space?
First off, they identify as a religion foremost. In Europe people identified themselves with fiefdoms and small kindgoms. That is where you get the idea of "Scottish", "Irish", "Welsh" instead of "Gaelic". in the Middle East they identified themselves throughout history as "Muslim" because that is the single unifying factor of all their cultures. Sure, there are differences from region to region but that is to be expected. For instance, look at Italy. There is no such thing as an Italian even amongst Italians. There are Venetians, Lombards, Genoese, Latins, Calabrese, Campanians, Sicialians, Sardinians,etc... The idea of "Italian" is new. In the Middle East they identified as Muslim just as Jews have identified themselves not as Germans, or Russians but rather, as Jews.
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This is completely off topic here .....
Well .. mostly off topic anyway ....
But ... what happened to the Muslim world?
The Muslim world was responsible for preserving much of the knowledge that would have otherwise been lost during the Dark Ages.
The Muslim world of that time had scholars .. mathematicians .... writers ..... philosophers .... scientists ...... and they had a head start on the "Western World". The Ottoman Empire was a power in these discilpines through the 16th century.
Then things changed They could have advanced so far beyond other contemporary societies in all of these disciplines ... but instead almost remained stagnant and allowed the rest of the world to catch up .... and pass them up in almost every scientific and technological arena.
When we compare Western Society and its advances from the 16th century forward against Muslin advances during the same timeframe, I wonder what happened. Sure dogma may have come into play ... but what would have changed that dramatically between the 16th century and modern times?
I may have to study this a bit. It might be interesting and enlightening.
Because as the Ottomans declined their governance became weaker and weaker. Soon, regions governed themselves and in the 18th century you saw the idea of regionalism come about. Various regions decided it was best to be independent. So, in the 1740's Palestine and Egypt declared their Independence. The Ottomans were at war with Russia at the time, so they did not respond and allowed the independence.
Once the war was over, they finally stepped in and subdued the regions. But, the damage was already done. Due to the weak national government the entire Empire identified themselves not only as Muslim but also with their region.
But, back to the topic. This thread is not intended to understand the Muslims and their state of mind. This thread, like so many others, is anti-Islam. It is looking more and more like Pamela Geller's SIOA group, and I will have none of that.
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Because as the Ottomans declined their governance became weaker and weaker. Soon, regions governed themselves and in the 18th century you saw the idea of regionalism come about. Various regions decided it was best to be independent. So, in the 1740's Palestine and Egypt declared their Independence. The Ottomans were at war with Russia at the time, so they did not respond and allowed the independence.
Once the war was over, they finally stepped in and subdued the regions. But, the damage was already done. Due to the weak national government the entire Empire identified themselves not only as Muslim but also with their region.
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honestly, that makes little sense. if regionalism had much to do with their lack of advances, then how would that region have shown such advancements BEFORE the Ottoman Empire as well? Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian and other such empires dominated the region for times, but in between there was regionalization like the Western World as well.
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honestly, that makes little sense. if regionalism had much to do with their lack of advances, then how would that region have shown such advancements BEFORE the Ottoman Empire as well? Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian and other such empires dominated the region for times, but in between there was regionalization like the Western World as well.
The question was "The Ottoman Empire did this and that... (the Ottomans did not do such things)" but what happened to them?
What happened is the rise of regionalism. The various Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire because self-sufficient and saw themselves less as Ottoman subjects and more as Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians, etc.. That is what happened and then mix in European colonialism.
The Arab world for over 600 years has been dominated by foreigners. Mongols (the Ilkhanate), Turks (Seljuk, Ottoman) and Europeans.
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honestly, that makes little sense. if regionalism had much to do with their lack of advances, then how would that region have shown such advancements BEFORE the Ottoman Empire as well? Egyptian, Roman, Babylonian and other such empires dominated the region for times, but in between there was regionalization like the Western World as well.
The question was "The Ottoman Empire did this and that... (the Ottomans did not do such things)" but what happened to them?
What happened is the rise of regionalism. The various Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire because self-sufficient and saw themselves less as Ottoman subjects and more as Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians, etc.. That is what happened and then mix in European colonialism.
The Arab world for over 600 years has been dominated by foreigners. Mongols (the Ilkhanate), Turks (Seljuk, Ottoman) and Europeans.
ok, we just read the question differently. I didn't take it as 'the Ottoman Empire' did this and that...more as the Arab World was the leader in science and mathematics for more than 1000 years (basically from the time the Macedonians with Alexander took over the region and brought knowledge the Arabs were the ones to advance it from there). then, they allowed the rest of the world to catchup and pass them. why?
perhaps the downfall of the Ottoman Empire played a part, but they were leaders before the Ottoman Empire.
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But, back to the topic. This thread is not intended to understand the Muslims and their state of mind. This thread, like so many others, is anti-Islam.
You are correct Chuck, this thread is not to understand Muslims and their state of mind..... This thread is to discuss why the head of NASA is tasked with improving relationships with anybody, let alone Muslim nations....
You seem like a pretty bright guy and you either do real fast research or you are a bit of a historian... the problem is, while insightful, your diatribes often don't answer the question...
So when it comes to building relationships with Muslim nations....
Why NASA?
How NASA?
Those are the important questions, you are focused on the "Why Muslim nations.." which isn't really the central question.
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I agree that this sounds very weird - probably very poor phrasing on Boldin's part.... but there are several things to take in consideration here:
1.) This was an interview with Al Jezeera - so Boldin should be making some statement about how NASA impacts/affects the muslim world. Just like any politician talks about manufacturing jobs when he's in ohio and wall street when he's in NYC.
2.) It was one of his three listed "outreach goals". He doesn't say that, at least in the quote, but all three of the things he listed are outreach, so I assume this is a subclassification of what he does...
For my small part in this - I've never gotten an e-mail from NASA telling me to spend time thinking about outreach to Muslims.
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So NASA has become a Federal Department of Kiss-Ass?
Who else is ready to disband it?
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so Boldin should be making some statement about how NASA impacts/affects the muslim world.
They receive the latent benefit of technology discoveries that we make.. that is the only way.
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ok. I still don't get why it's NASA's job to make the Muslim world feel good about their contribution to science and technology....
I also don't get whey that the top NASA dogs PRIMARY INITIATIVE.
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ok. I still don't get why it's NASA's job to make the Muslim world feel good about their contribution to science and technology....
I also don't get whey that the top NASA dogs PRIMARY INITIATIVE.
Obama must have really cut their funding
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If NASA's top job is building international relationships, what is Hillary and the state department doing, building tanks? 
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Exactly... and if I was them, I'd be a little offended that we feel that they need us to make them feel better about their contributions. That's a rather egotistical viewpoint we go to them with. Mostly, however, what the hell does it have to do with NASA? I mean... why is this NASA's job? Isn't interacting with foreign nations and cultures the reason we have a State Dept.?? This strikes me as kinda like how ICE was tasked with taking down a website recently... something that I would have thought was much more the domain of the FBI. ( http://tvshack.net/index.html ). Just totally goofed up roles going on. ICE can seize a web site, but it can't handle the job it was created for.
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Found this on NASA's website... never mind. Quote:
NASA Mission Statement
To improve life here,
To extend life to there,
To find life beyond,
To make friends with Muslims.
NASA Vision
To understand and protect our home planet, To explore the Universe and search for life, and To inspire the next generation of Muslim explorers... as only NASA can.
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Exactly... and if I was them, I'd be a little offended that we feel that they need us to make them feel better about their contributions. That's a rather egotistical viewpoint we go to them with.
I read it the same way. But, I thought it was more of a friendly reminder that this culture used to be the champions and gate keepers of progress and scientific pursuits. At some point they decided to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the sciences, even the hard ones, to a point where their society as a whole is lagging behind a vast majority of other nations. Maybe Obama's idea is to appeal to their historical side and point out how good they used to be while comparing it to their current selves.
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So are we going to change it from NASA(National Aeronautics and Space Administration) to IASA(International Aeronautics and Space Administration)? And are they going to help foot the bill?
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Are you asking me specifically or just rhetorically?
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sarcastically and rhetorically. 
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Mostly, however, what the hell does it have to do with NASA? I mean... why is this NASA's job? Isn't interacting with foreign nations and cultures the reason we have a State Dept.??
prpl and the anti Obama gang...
Obama sure did it this time...attempting to use NASA to further diplomatic relations with other nations....a total missuse of the space program!
This video proves the point ... web page...click on "wish you weren't here"...start at 2:17 and watch for 45 seconds...conservatives are right, in this case.
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Still, I think it's a valid question
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Yet again, I'm confused mac... Ronald Reagan suggested doing joint space ventures with a nation that had a strong and relatively successful space program in place.. ventures that we could both benefit from technologically...
So what does Obama want to do?
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I gotta give mac a little credit, we are no longer Republicans or RW extremists or whatever, we have migrated to "Anti-Obama gang" 
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Well that's fitting when you move from the Huffington Post to John Stewart as your source.
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I gotta give mac a little credit, we are no longer Republicans or RW extremists or whatever, we have migrated to "Anti-Obama gang"
Hey, I was an *&$hole because I didn't vote for Kerry.
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Yet again, I'm confused mac... Ronald Reagan suggested doing joint space ventures with a nation that had a strong and relatively successful space program in place.. ventures that we could both benefit from technologically...
So what does Obama want to do?
DC...I agree...yet again..."you are confused"..
The anti-Obama gang cries that Obama is using NASA to further diplomatic relations...but wait a second...will you look at what I found...Ronnie Reagan used NASA to further diplomatic relations back in 1985.
The truth is, NASA has been used to further diplomatic relations with other countries before Obama and the new NASA administrator recently suggested it..
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Reagan wanted to join our space program with another space program to possibly learn and grow our technology.
Obama wants our space program to help better our relations with a religion/culture that is not exactly freindly with the United States for the most part.
Wait, how is that the same???
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The anti-Obama gang cries that Obama is using NASA to further diplomatic relations...but wait a second...will you look at what I found...Ronnie Reagan used NASA to further diplomatic relations back in 1985.
I will state again.. and I'm sure you will ignore again..
Reagan wanted our space program (the best in the world) to work with another space program (probably the second best in the world at the time) to achieve great things together AND possibly serve to mend some diplomatic fences...
Obama wants our space program (still probably the best in the world) to improve diplomatic relations with countries that hate us and have no space programs to speak of...
I'm still having trouble seeing how these things are equal....
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As FreeAgent pointed out, there is a significant difference between two existing space agencies working together to foster peace, and making your ""foremost" mission as the head of America's space exploration agency .. to improve relations with the Muslim world."
This isn't two agencies working together, it is the head of NASA going on al Jazeera TV on a public relations tour. Hell, the people that he is wanting to build relations with don't even HAVE a space program of any sort! It is NOTHING like what Reagan did.
You get points this time for perhaps the sentiment being somewhat along the same lines, but you still get a totally failing grade for (lack of) Comprehension (as usual).
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