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if you change teams, you are free to pick whatever number you want, as long as it's not retired or taken up by a player (although most guys will buy the number if the guy is a young guy) no paperwork needed.
you only need to file paperwork if you are coming back to your current team.
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Lets not forget the Heat weren't able to sell out DESPITE being a playoff team. A playoff team with DWade wasn't able to sell out, not even in the post season.
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So if he leaves, what title does the latest gut-wrenching blow to Cleveland sports get?
The Decision?
The Departure?
The Treason?
LeGone?
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If the Queen leaves then I will wish the worse on his professional career that's for certain. This city gave everything it had to this guy and if he turns his back on us knowing what he means to Cleveland then he deserves the worse. Not only that but knowing the heartbreak that this town has seen he would be a complete arsehole to do it on live TV. I hope he isn't that type of person.
Regardless this past week has left me sick with the way he is being such a media hound. He had to have the attention all to himself. I'm not sure if I can ever look at him the same even if he stays in town.
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ok, then i am wrong but this still sucks!
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LBJ has a loyalty tattoo, looking forward to see if that means anything.
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I'm curious ...... if he does leave, does a different name wind up in your signature?
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LBJ has a loyalty tattoo, looking forward to see if that means anything.
To play devil's advocate for a second, what does he owe Cleveland? He signed a contract, he played out the whole contract, and he played his hardest. Yeah, he might have choked in the playoffs, but that doesn't mean he just gave up (though I understand some people have strong feelings about that).
If he goes to Miami, isn't that fulfilling what he said he wants, a try for a championship?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Lebron is a tool, I've said this from the beginning, he's handled this like a 16 year old kid. If he leaves, good riddance. I find it dumb to grovel for such a piece of trash. Windhorst was on Mike and Mike and he now truly believes he'll go to the heat. He also said the sources reporting it are very credible. If he truly does go on national TV to say he's leaving. I hate saying it, but i hope he has 12 knee operations in the next 5 years and can't play a single game..but I believe in karma, this kind of move can't be good for karma. I guess Bosh is pimping this 1 hour special on twitter/website. hmm wonder why? I wish the cavs did SOMETHING. But to just sit by why other teams made moves means 1 of 2 things, they know lebron is staying and are waiting, or 2, chris grant is clueless or doesn't have the same trading power ferry has in the league. Also reports of Z following Lebron to heat, dont't know how true that would be, I would find it very hard for him to do that. But then again, we traded him
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no that doesn't mean he's trying for a championship, it takes more than 3 players to win a ring, they can't play 48 minutes 82 games then playoffs, and with a million dollars to sign 9-11 other players, really?
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To play devil's advocate for a second, what does he owe Cleveland?
I don't think he really OWES Cleveland.
But he sure as heck shouldn't have sold himself as the homeboy, native son and all that. He'll look like a classless hypocrite if he leaves and he's in for a rude awakening if he truly stays at his "home" in Akron. He thinks he'll be prepared for what it will be like every time he sets foot on Ohio soil, but he has no idea.
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My guess would be that Grant has 1 plan if Lebron stays, and 1 if he goes. I would further guess that he really doesn't know which it will be yet any more than we do.
I do wonder if Lebron realizes what a pariah he would be if he did go like this.
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no that doesn't mean he's trying for a championship, it takes more than 3 players to win a ring, they can't play 48 minutes 82 games then playoffs, and with a million dollars to sign 9-11 other players, really?
In a 5 man game, they will never be without 2 of them on the floor.
Trust me, they will win some games.
I see this more as buying a championship.
It's a sad state of affairs when 2-3 players can pretty much dictate where they are going. It's almost like playing in some rigged fantasy league where the commish has 2 other teams and slowly trades all the good players to one of his teams and allows all the trades to go through.
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no that doesn't mean he's trying for a championship, it takes more than 3 players to win a ring, they can't play 48 minutes 82 games then playoffs, and with a million dollars to sign 9-11 other players, really?
The NBA raised the cap by 2 million out of the blue for some odd reason. So now they have 3 million and if they trade Beasley they will have even more.
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To play devil's advocate for a second, what does he owe Cleveland?
Legally, nothing.
If we want to live in a country where we put emotion aside and look at what we are legally bound to, then why don't I start cheating on my wife and not care how that affects my daughter? - After all, legally I'm still her father, I'll still go to work, I'll still pay for what she needs, but I just will start treating her mother like garbage. - What does my daughter care?
Why don't I call my older sister and tell her how stupid she is for getting pregnant a third time? - What do I owe her? All I'd be doing is telling her how I truly feel, and putting my opinion above her emotions. - Which I'm allowed to do legally.
How about I go up to my buddy, Ramiro, and tell him that his English sucks and no matter how hard he tries, he'll always sound like a DP? - Yeah, legally I owe him nothing, so I'll just do what I want and not care about how it affects him.
-Lebron doesn't have to do this on national tv.
- Lebron could have told Dan Gilbert and Cleveland about this weeks ago, so we could have moved in a different direction.
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No, the 1 million they were supposed to have already included them trading Beasley.. without trading him I don't think there is any way they can do this.
It also included signing Wade/Bosh/LeBron at max deals but ESPN was reporting last night that both Wade and Bosh said they would sign for less.
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I think we need not trash the guy at this point. Let's wait to see what he does.
There will be plenty of time to trash him after the fact if in fact he bolts.
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I honesty don't have a probelm with players deciding where they want to play ...... and deciding who they want to play with .....
If I wanted to live and work in another city, I am free to do so provided I can find an employer willing to hire me.
What I do have a problem with is the way this went down. Like I said ..... if he would have just said "I have thought long and hard about this decision, and have agonized over it really. I have visited each team, and weighed the pros and cons, and have come to a decision" .... then I would understand that. But to turn this whole thing into a prime time event to twist the blade would be an insult beyond measure. To me that would be worse than Art Modell moving the Browns ..... because Lebron ought to know better, and have a little more class than that. (especially for someone as concerned with image as he is)
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I agree, I just think people are preparing themselves emotionally.. putting that emotional distance in place now by trashing him...
In the end LeBron will use that.. if he says he's leaving then the people will destroy him then he will use that as justification for why he left... sad really.
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No, the 1 million they were supposed to have already included them trading Beasley.. without trading him I don't think there is any way they can do this.
It also included signing Wade/Bosh/LeBron at max deals but ESPN was reporting last night that both Wade and Bosh said they would sign for less.
I was going by this article, it made it seem like they didn't need to trade Beasley but would try to be able to get a few more guys.
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James’ representatives spent part of Wednesday calling free agents to assess their interest in helping strengthen the Heat roster. James’ camp, sources said, went so far as to propose scenarios where the Heat would trade forward Michael Beasley(notes) to create additional salary-cap space to sign a complementary player. In those conversations, the representatives spoke only of Miami as the destination for James.
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NBA teams can sign as many guys as they want to the minimum salaries. So, even without having cap space, they can sign guys like Z, if they can convince them to play for the minimum.
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I think we need not trash the guy at this point. Let's wait to see what he does.
There will be plenty of time to trash him after the fact if in fact he bolts.
I'm sure it's already been said in one of the 2 threads but the VERY WAY he is handling this FA situation stinks of Prima Donna BS drama that is not necessary.
A one hour special?
Methinks the "King" moniker has gone to his head.
I can remember many moons ago being trounced on the original board for speaking ill of Lebron and how he was coming into the league. I recanted my words later and said he seemed to be a good young man after all.
Guess my first instinct was right, and that goes for whether he stays in Cleveland or bolts.
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considering that:
1. he stayed out of trouble off the court (despite being followed whereever he goes)
2. dedicated himself to playing defense much earlier than most stars
3. always gave full effort on the court (outside that mysterious game5)
4. actually exceeded his initial billing and hype coming into the league
5. resigned with the Cavs when he could have left the first time
6. almost always seems to say the right things, comes off as a good teammate, remains friends with guys even when they go to other teams, huge 'Magic-like' smile
7. a gifted passer (this is no small part. it makes him seem unselfish while playing selfishly. especially early in his career.)
honestly, Durant is currently a much more humble guy. but, with all that is wrong in sports. "attention loving prima donna" that does everything else right, isn't in the top10 things that can be bad with a player.
it's incredibly sad with how all this is playing out, but I refuse to trash the last 7 years I have enjoyed watching the Cavs just because of this circus.
and, we don't even know what he's doing yet (I know it won't matter for you but some other posts above it will). with all the twists and turns and LeBron 'playing' with the media. if it's Heat right now, why do people think it will be Heat an hour from now....10 hours from now?
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But, but, but ... he's giving the advertising money to charity.
It's probably $.05 on the dollar.
And I thought Kobe was a narcissist. This takes the cake ... whether he stays in Cleveland or not. LeBron is more about his "brand" (I can't say that without laughing) then he is about basketball.
I think I'll start working on getting my brand going.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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i'm gonna hold a web press conference to announce that i will be changing my dawgtalkers board name. what will it be changed to? you will have to tune in to find out.
but sources close to stephen a smith say it will be changed to damon jones. however chris broussard is reporting sources close to him say it may end up being lucious harris.
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I feel like I'm gonna puke, also, what's the point of scheduling this at 9pm when then decision has apparently been leaked? So not only does Cleveland get it's heart blown up on national tv, we hold out hope, twisting and turning for 12 hours before? 
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Lebron has actually been given a great deal of space by people in Akron. They try not to bother him too much when he is out in public doing ordinary stuff. (Like going to the store, and such) There have been some stories written about how he likes being able to go out and do stuff like that and not be hounded to death like some other celebrities are.
We'll see how much that changes should he sign with another team. I'm certain that the respectful distance he's been given in Akron will disappear. I'm also quite certain that he won't get the same treatment in Miami or Chicago. (and certainly not New York)
Well ..... we'll find out whether he stays a "hometown hero", or becomes one of the biggest traitors to the area in sports history.
Regardless, I think that Dan Gilbert will do whatever it takes to put together a winning team, and if Lebron winds up being LeGone ..... then they'll regroup and put together plans b,c, and d.
I also think that Gilbert will press to put together a downtown rejuvination in conjunction with his casino project ..... and could make Cleveland a destination once more.
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i'm telling you it doesn't add up. why would lbj and his team leak this info out, when in reality the best ratings come when nobody has any idea?
i just don't get it. but after 8pm central time, it will be over and we can all move on with it. with or without him.
here is one scenario that has played out in my head.
lbj signs for 3, maybe wink winks the cavs, the cavs mail it in for 3 years, get lottery picks, and lbj comes back?
it's been made clear over the years that guys in free agency don't want to come to cleveland, even if they could pay him more than other teams.
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I heard the Herman Fontenot was the front runner.
You know ... cross sport branding and all.
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I won't trash Lebron if he leaves. If he wants to leave, it's his decision. I'll simply wish him the best of luck and look forward to another 10 year cleveland rebuilding plan.
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With all due respect LBJ, but it sounds like you are starting to believe the nonsense that ESPN wants you to believe.
We have a great team in place now. LBJ could resign with us right now and have a chance at winning a third straight mvp and a title. - New York isn't close, Chicago is fairly close, and Miami is probably better than us. - If he wants to destroy everything he has worked for to go to Miami, then fine, let him go. - One of two things will happen if he goes to Miami.
1. He takes a backseat to Wade and plays for of a support role. - Here, the Heat would be very successful. Or (and more likely)
2. LBJ and Wayde can't figure out who the cheif is and who the Indian is. They end up dividing and the team struggles. - He ends being looked at as a Terrell Owens sort of guy. - Somebody who breaks up decent teams.
Which leads me to believe this: He's going to New York, or he's staying in Cleveland.
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I gotta agree here.
His dribbling the clock away only to take an ill advised shot 20 seconds later will not fly when both Wade and Bosh are standing there picking their collective butts!
"Trouble brewing" is what I'd call it
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Part of me asks "Why would LBJ go to 'Wade's team'"? It would have made more sense for all 3 to go to Chicago where its really nobody's team and turn it into their team. Going to Miami makes it feel like he quit on the Cavs for the second time in two months. If D Wade takes less money and shares his team and stardom for all this to work, it says more about D Wade's character than Bosh or LBJ.
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I won't trash Lebron if he leaves. If he wants to leave, it's his decision. I'll simply wish him the best of luck and look forward to another 10 year cleveland rebuilding plan.
Good to see some reason and sensibility around here. Amidst all this "Traitor!" talk, LBJ being labeled a prima dona over a one hour special (proceeds of marketing towards a charity- which some are even finding ways to bash that), and basic ledge-jumping I'm witnessing, I've wondered what a calm, rational approach to this would sound like. Oh, probably something like this. He doesn't owe the city jack. Get over it. If he leaves and it's about winning, then everyone can get off his case about money/self star-power if its with Miami or Chicago. Basketball was here before Lebron, and with the owner and coach we have in place, we'd be in good position to rebuild and come back with a chance to win a title regardless (albeit a few years later). Still, the notion that James should possess this innate sense of loyalty and attachment to a region just for being born in it (out of his control, really, don't you think?) is just played-out. I like guys playing their entire careers with their respective teams and find free-agency dollars can kill sports at times (cough; looking at you, baseball), but if the opportunity's not there and presents itself better elsewhere, he'd only be short-changing himself not to go there. No one is putting themselves in his shoes right now. All I hear are emotionally, self-driven responses about how it'll all affect your petty little viewing pleasures. There's more to it than that. It's bigger than you, folks. Wait until it plays out to dish out the incompetent, estrogenical remarks about how little respect you'll have for him, wish ill on his career, call him a classless, attention-whoring punk (which is funny; who do you see being obnoxious via Twitter, the press, and the like? That would be the Boshs/Wades, not Lebron). The emotional involvement with this is just astounding and I'm seeing far too many wailing infants in this discussion. I just looked outside and the sky is still in place. Relax.
I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friends...
You could cut ties with all the lies that you've been livin' in.
And if you do not want to see me again, I would understand. 
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Windy has confirmed that LBJ is saying he's going to Miami. Windhorst has cred, so to me this is as good as the stupid ESPN show. Good as gone. All but official.
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windy on knr saying if lbj leaves dan gilbert is gonna keep the thing going, keep spending money, keeping making trades.
i think it's a bad idea. just tear it down for a few years, get your lottery picks and position yourself to try and land a free agent here or there.
i don't like the idea of barely making the playoffs and being an 8 seed. why do that when you can play the lottery. the chicago bulls barely missed the playoffs a few years ago and by the stroke of luck (or david stern freezing the bulls envelope) they ended up with the top pick and derek rose.
that's the way you do it. you get nothing out of being an 8 seed. this isn't the nfl, wild cards don't win the nba finals.
tear it down, and stay down for a few years. nobody will blame dan gilbert at all.
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By the same token though, Miami isn't going that route.
They are buying, and buying big.
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Basically what it comes down to is its not the Cavs, its Lebron, I think he finally realized he isn't good enough to win a ring on his own, he needs to be the second fiddle to a true star like wade.
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Depends on the trades I would think. If we can get some young skilled players, something to build on, I say do it.
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