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Yeah, I know - point was that how the NBA free agency is handled going forward may change after what these 3 pulled off in Miami.
Which in turn means small market clubs, ie Cavs, may end up looking like Indians - basically a farm team for other teams.
I agree with that. Tim Duncan was a rare breed. Didn't care that much for the publicity, or limelight for that matter. Not too many nba superstars have that kind of personality. You would've never seen Duncan go on national tv to announce his free agency plans.
I seen Durant signed for a 5 year extension. If they never win anything in those 5 years, I'd say the chances are pretty good that Durant would leave. Lebron said all the right things in front of the camera, so you could never trust what these guys say.
It does seem like the balance of power is really shifting out east. I'm not sure how many good years Kobe has, but when Carmello leaves for the east coast, Durant may have a strangle hold out West if he does decide to stay in Oklahoma the rest of his career.
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Here's what I took most from that book:
For everything the Bulls tried to sell – from owner Jerry Reinsdorf to GM Gar Forman to coach Tom Thibodeau – there had been one thing that troubled James’ about the Bulls pitch: Derrick Rose(notes) never called and tried to recruit him.
.... James needed to be courted, needed to be wooed and apparently it surprised him there was a star who wasn’t falling over himself to do that.
As much as I fault Rose for losing my Tigers a National Championship, he has the attitude of a champion. It's either a James-esque fools ego or the attitude of a champion. He didn't beg James, James didn't feel appreciated.
Will be interesting to see who has a more championship career.
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I figured out why Manny Harris hasn't been able to play. He sprained his ankle during the draft combine!  I also found this and thought it was sick 
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I'm really hoping we hang on to Mo. Not because he's an amazing player or anything, but I really like his attitude and personality.
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Ahhh I knew it, the Mo Williams fan in you is starting come out. You can only hide it for so long. 
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For everything the Bulls tried to sell – from owner Jerry Reinsdorf to GM Gar Forman to coach Tom Thibodeau – there had been one thing that troubled James’ about the Bulls pitch: Derrick Rose(notes) never called and tried to recruit him.
.... James needed to be courted, needed to be wooed and apparently it surprised him there was a star who wasn’t falling over himself to do that.
As much as I fault Rose for losing my Tigers a National Championship, he has the attitude of a champion. It's either a James-esque fools ego or the attitude of a champion. He didn't beg James, James didn't feel appreciated.
Will be interesting to see who has a more championship career.
windy hinted at it the days leading up to the "decision" rose was not all about lbj coming aboard. don't think he hated the guy, but i think he would have rather had someone else, i guess joe johnson was their top target. i think rose wants to be the leader of that team, and with lebron coming in that would have made him the pippen.
and i know he is a local kid, but nobody really gets excited about him here, it's kinda weird. he was awesome in high school, awesome for a year at memphis and he's been great since his rookie year. the guy is not anywhere near as beloved as we were with lbj.
lbj would have easily been the guy in chicago, despite derek rose being here longer and being the hometown kid.
also, just from what i gather, rose is a pretty low key kid. he seems pretty quiet, does not do a ton of interviews, doesn't really do many commercials (i think he is in the new nike or adidas commercial but he doesn't talk) seems like a good kid. so i don't think he'd be the type to recruit guys to the team. i think he figures that is what the front office is for.
hell of a player though.
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I gues we're interested in Ramon Sessions and Kosta KoufosQuote:
Ramon Sessions is believed to be on the block after the Timberwolves signed Luke Ridnour last week.
The Cavaliers reportedly have interest in Sessions, as well as young center Kosta Koufos, who Minnesota acquired from Utah in the Al Jefferson trade.
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Oh please no on Ramon Sessions. I've heard Mike Conley's name floated and oh please yes on that one. He's been a bit of a bust so far but I think in a good organization and a role on a team like he'd have in Byron Scott's system I think he could shine. Probably a 15/10 guy, which would work for me.
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Really? As someone looking in from the outside, I never got that from him. His body language and actions never spoke to being loyal to anyone but himself. He strung along his team and (what was essentially) his city for almost three years, continually keeping them in dark. All of this reeked of a relationship where one of the participating parties was "cheating" on the other until the divorce papers were properly drawn up.
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Lebron said all the right things in front of the camera, so you could never trust what these guys say.
Really? As someone looking in from the outside, I never got that from him. His body language and actions never spoke to being loyal to anyone but himself. He strung along his team and (what was essentially) his city for almost three years, continually keeping them in dark. All of this reeked of a relationship where one of the participating parties was "cheating" on the other until the divorce papers were properly drawn up.
I agree 100%. One side was trying everything to save the 'marriage' but the other checked out a long time ago. Just a matter of paperwork from that point.
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Adrian W. on Rome talking about LBJ's clash with USA basketball in '07....
...says Lebron never learned names, barked orders, etc. ...
...USA b-ball contacted Nike to tell them LBJ might not make the team if attitude doesn't improve ...
... Bruce Bowen called him out on practice floor for his 'tude ...
... says Cavs hid a lot of it ... enablers ...
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yeah i read that, although i hate that people were faulting the cavs. they had zero leverage in the situation.
it's hard to believe all this stuff coming out. i know a few people who had run ins with lebron and they all said he was extremely nice and pleasant.
but i am hearing bad tipping stories, bad employee stories, the team usa stuff, just overall this guy is taking a hit.
seems like a lot of people in cleveland and northeast ohio had their gripe but were willing to keep quiet because of how much he meant to the city.
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I think Gilbert did what he had to do - anything to appease lbj. If he didn't, then it's an easy out for lbj to say that the Cavs were not serious.
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I think Gilbert did what he had to do - anything to appease lbj. If he didn't, then it's an easy out for lbj to say that the Cavs were not serious.
Heck, I've been on other messageboards, and some will STILL say that Gilbert didn't do enough to keep LBJ happy. 
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on top of all that, he did that with lbj being non commital, which hindered any progress in bringing in another star.
probably becuase he never wanted to be in cleveland.
i don't like how dan gilbert went public with that email, i think he should have slept on it. i still feel that way, but i love his passion as an owner, and i also love how these idiots "well now nobody is gonna go there as a free agent" dude, who was going there anyway? the idiots at bspn put cleveland down constantly, of course they aren't gonna go there.
i don't want big time free agents. i want my players brought up through the draft/lottery, and developed our way. and i think the entire lbj fiasco will help, because dan gilbert won't be bending over for any one guy and he has leverage to do so now. love it.
the only free agents i want are the small signings that turn out to be really smart moves a la san antonio.
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I think Gilbert should have gone public with the email as it helped fire up the fans and give some hope and put a lot of people in the Cavs corner (locally)
however, he should have written it with a TON more tact. he could have poked nearly as much but done it more carefully worded.
but alas, what is done is done.
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From what I have read ..... the version that was released to the public was the watered down version. lol
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Sessions for DWest being discussed... The Cleveland Cavaliers have had about as bad an offseason as any team in recent history. Their franchise savior, LeBron James(notes), left in free agency with nary a nod of thanks towards his old team. Then, owner Dan Gilbert reacted about as poorly as possible when he wrote the now-infamous Comic Sans Letter of Disgust. The team with the league’s best record in 2009-10 now seems in disarray. It will take a lot to make this team better. But if one reported move goes through, they will at least improve a little this upcoming season. As reported by Brian Windhorst and confirmed by Chris Tomasson, the Cavs are interested in acquiring Ramon Sessions(notes) from the Timberwolves. Minnesota would potentially get back Delonte West(notes) in the trade, who they’d then release before August 5 to pay only $500,000 of his $4.6 million salary this season. Sessions isn’t a star, and he may not even be the best fit for this team given Mo Williams’(notes) presence at the point guard spot. But before he languished on Minnesota’s bench for most of last season, Sessions was a quality, ever-improving young point for the Bucks who looked on his way to being a nice starter in this league for years to come. That he found himself on a team last season with a top-10 pick of a rookie point guard in a triangle system should be seen as an unfortunate bump in the road, not a sign that his development has slowed. Cleveland should jump on this deal as soon as possible. West doesn’t have a clear future with this team, and Sessions will never be more available than he is right now after the Wolves’ signing of Luke Ridnour(notes) for four years. It’s rare that players of Sessions’ caliber become available for virtually nothing. He might not be a star now or in the future, but moves like this one are what turn dilapidated franchises into resurgent phoenixes rising from the ashes.
Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
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He might not be a star now or in the future, but moves like this one are what turn dilapidated franchises into resurgent phoenixes rising from the ashes.
Wait they lose LBJ to the heat and suddenly they're dilapidated? 
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Could Mo be a shooting guard? I know that he would probably be way too short ..... but has anyone recently played SG at a high level at 6'1"? By the way .... Wade made an ass of himself again ..... seems to be a regular event in South Beach .... http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13652...v.nba;headlinesWade apologizes after 'World Trade' reference misunderstood July 19, 2010 MIAMI -- Dwyane Wade issued an apology Monday to those who might have been offended by his use of the phrase "World Trade" while answering a question about the upcoming Miami Heat season. The All-Star guard made the remark Sunday before the annual charity basketball game he co-hosts with Alonzo Mourning. Standing at his locker before a group of reporters, Wade said: "There's going to be times when we might lose one, two games in a row, maybe two games, three games in a row, you never know. It's going to seem like the world is crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade has just went down again. But it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games lost and we'll have to get back on track." On Monday, before leaving on a flight to Los Angeles for some television appearances -- he was previously booked to talk with Jay Leno -- Wade issued an apology through the Heat. In the statement, Wade said: "In an interview yesterday, I attempted to explain how some people may view the Miami Heat losing a few basketball games in a row during the upcoming season. It appears that my reference to the World Trade Center has been either inaccurately reported or taken completely out of context. I was simply trying to say that losing a few basketball games should not be compared to a real catastrophe. "While it was certainly not my intention, I sincerely apologize to anyone who found my reference to the World Trade Center to be insensitive or offensive." AOL Fanhouse initially reported the guard saying: "If we lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade [Center] is coming down again." Hours later, AOL Fanhouse published a different version of the quote, citing a transcription error and an editor's note saying, "we deeply regret the error."
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Wait they lose LBJ to the heat and suddenly they're dilapidated?
Maybe not the best wording, but how many are expecting the Cavs to be competitive this year? Not many.
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Could Mo be a shooting guard?
I know that he would probably be way too short ..... but has anyone recently played SG at a high level at 6'1"?
Jason Terry is only 6'2" and plays mainly SG for Dallas. Started before becoming their 6th man scoring threat.
The best way to get away with a shorter SG is to have a taller, athletic PG to guard the better scoring SGs in the league. Otherwise, Kobe has a field day shooting over the top of Mo.
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Otherwise, Kobe has a field day shooting over the top of Mo.
Pretty much like every other player that has Mo guarding them.
Also about Sessions, I'd prefer Conley but he could make decent depth. He's better then Telfair. Telfair can't shoot, or finish. Sessions has good size, can finish around the rim, has become an average defender, and he's a good rebounder. I really like his game, he just wasn't a good fit for Minnesota's triangle offense
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neither is Flynn, or Rubio for that matter.
only the Twolves could stock up on penetrating PGs and PFs and then switch to a system that requires PGs who can shoot 3's and is setup to be focused on wing players (which they lack).
the great thing is, they continue to stock up on PFs.
I'd hate to be a Twolve fan. Feel sorry for those guys.
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i like mo williams, i really do, but i don't want him as a shooting guard. he can't stay in front of anyone. you can have mo williams, but you better have a bigger guard who can defend in your backcourt. i don't want him and sessions back there.
i think it's gotta be one or the other.
plus, i think we can do better with delonte's deal.
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Flynn is horrible in that offense. However I think Rubio is talented enough to flourish in any type of offense.
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maybe so, but his best talents (creating for others) would be wasted.
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I don't really want Sessions but I won't be too mad if we get him. Wasting Delonte's contract on him though? Hopefully that's just a smoke screen, we can do a lot better with it.
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I loved the article on Jordan. My favorite part was when Jordan said that he didn't want to team up with the best, he wanted to BEAT the best. That's the main difference between the two; Jordan's a competitor, Lebron's not. Edit: Oh yeah Wade is a dumbass - "You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it's not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games." That was in poor taste and I don't think any reporter will act that way.
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i'm surprised mj would say that. not surprised that he thinks that, because we all knew, but that he said it. i figured he'd be quiet on that front.
lebron ain't the same guy as jordan though. he idolized him. but michael is a fierce competitor. lebron really was never like that. he's a hell of a player and by far the best talent in the league, but he's not that guy that will give anything to win. from what i hear, it could have been checkers, and mj would go all out. hence his gambling problem. i heard tiger referred to mj as his "personal atm machine" probably because mj was dumb enough to keep throwing up 5 and 6 figure bets to beat the best in the world on the course.
lebron just ain't that guy. he wants to be buddy buddy with everyone before the game starts. he loves everyone, he wants everyone to like him, and now we know because of his "brand" it's all about what goes on outside the court.
michael had and has a brand too. however that came after he dominated the game and the league, lebron wants to have his cake before he even puts it in the oven.
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I hate to say it but I think LeBron's personality might be a direct result of not having a father.
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it's possible. but if anything i blame his poor judgement of who he put around himself.
you wanna hire your buddies? that's fine, but don't let them run the show. give them a role, but you've gotta have better people around you.
it's like winning the lottery and surrounding yourself to handle your financial needs with a bunch of gambling addicts. ok maybe not that far but you get where i'm going.
i've heard the comparisons that mj, kobe, tiger, etc.. had strong father figures in their lives. but i think a lot of these pro athletes didn't have a dad. look at adrian peterson. his dad was a criminal who spent years in prison, yet when you watch how he handles himself, he seems like a really good guy with a genuine feel to him. maybe it's football v basketball but i think the dad thing is a cop out.
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Did you see Jordan's HOF speech? The guy is almost universally considered the best basketball player ever and he still feels the need to get his shots in at his old foes... He's a competitor to a fault and he knows people are comparing lbj to him so he's not going to pull any punches if it can take a rung out from under the guy that (was) chasing him..
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Probably just one factor in many. I know a lot of people who grew up without a dad, me included, who turned out just fine. My mom wasn't Gloria James though, which helped
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