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Published: Friday, July 16, 2010, 6:35 PM Updated: Friday, July 16, 2010, 6:36 PM
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- LeBron James is gone and the Indians are buried in last place. So, are you ready for some football?
Mike Holmgren is.
The Browns' president -- who took two NFL teams to the Super Bowl, a place the Browns have never been -- watched in amazement last week as the area-grown James renounced his allegiance to Cleveland and the Cavaliers.
With the Indians in the throes of another long season, Holmgren knows James' defection turns the heat up on the Browns to fill the void of hope for Cleveland sports fans.
"It kind of juices you up a little bit," said Holmgren, who is recuperating from recent foot surgery. "If, in fact, all eyes are turned toward us now, that's a good thing. That's a pressure that helps you work harder, helps motivate coaches, players, management. I believe our team is better than last year, already. Now we have to prove it on the field. Shoot, that's why we all came here to try to get it done."
Holmgren has experienced a region that relies solely on its football to provide a rooting interest. He coached the fabled Packers in Green Bay, Wis., the smallest market in professional sports, from 1992-98. They appeared in two Super Bowls, winning one, before Holmgren moved on to Seattle for a 10-year run.
In Seattle, football wasn't nearly as big, until Holmgren coached the Seahawks to their only Super Bowl appearance following the 2005 season.
"I think the passion -- what the Browns mean to people, a larger number of people, an older group of people for a longer period of time -- is much more like Green Bay," he said. "The city, with its major-league teams, reminds me more of Seattle. There's other entertainment that people can grab hold of. But Seattle's newer. Cleveland and Green Bay have more of a history."
Holmgren said he was disappointed in and surprised by James' decision to leave the Cavaliers for the Miami Heat, but he was not surprised by the passionate reaction of Cleveland fans.
"What he had done prior to leaving was so spectacular and they came so close and the expectations were so high for a championship, the reaction didn't surprise me," Holmgren said. "Hey, I don't need a lot of extra stuff to talk about the [passion of the] fan base. As far as our fans, they've been long-suffering, but they're hanging in pretty good with us."
Holmgren has added layers of sales and marketing personnel to the organization to pump up a season-ticket base that sagged from habitual losing since the Browns returned as an expansion franchise in 1999. He said he is encouraged that sales are up from a year ago, when the Browns staggered through an historic 1-11 start before finishing with four wins in a row.
"I think the Indians, the Browns and the Cavaliers are partners in this city and I think it's important for the area that we all work very hard to be good and give the fans what they want," he said. "I really believe, given the passion of [Cavaliers owner] Dan Gilbert, the Cavaliers will be back -- just a cast of different characters.
"Our plan is our plan. Yeah, I'm putting a lot of pressure on the guys at work to get this thing right. But it's good. It's football. Regardless of what happened with LeBron, we have a plan and are sticking to it and I'm optimistic."
So why should the fans share his optimism? He broke it down this way: New quarterbacks Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace, a draft that he expects to bear fruit immediately, and a better player relationship with Eric Mangini in the coach's second season.
"First, I think the quarterback situation is much more solid and that improves a team immediately," Holmgren said. "By how much? We don't know. But it's solid. I know -- I know -- we're in a better spot at that position than last year.
"The second thing, there are two or three of our rookies [who] are going to make a great contribution right away. They're on the ground floor of a rebuilding program and they're going to have the opportunity. The [defensive] secondary, which is a really important spot, we're better there.
"Lastly, I think with the players having been through a year with Eric ... you know, he's a tough coach, but he's smart and he knows what he wants. And it's been my observation that they kind of understand him now. The fact they finished and won their four last games after that horrendous start, that told me they didn't quit. The relationship, the chemistry, in my observation, is a lot better. And I talked to a lot of [players]."
The Browns open training camp at their team headquarters in Berea on July 31.
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"Lastly, I think with the players having been through a year with Eric ... you know, he's a tough coach, but he's smart and he knows what he wants. And it's been my observation that they kind of understand him now. The fact they finished and won their four last games after that horrendous start, that told me they didn't quit. The relationship, the chemistry, in my observation, is a lot better. And I talked to a lot of [players]."
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I am so glad we have coach Holmgren running the ship. He is a breath of fresh air compared to what we had. If him and Mangini are truely on the same page I can really see us being competitve in 3 yrs. I love he also isn't selling us on winning this yr he continues to tell us we are rebuilding.
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I BELIEVE!!! 
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I can really see us being competitve in 3 yrs.
Three years???!!!
I don't wanna wait that long. I may have to, but I don't wanna. 
I'm thinking, let's be improved enough to take a run at the playoffs in 2010, then we'll take it from there in the playoffs and into 2011... and beyond.
I refuse to throw in the towel for 2010. I won't sit here and think there's no way we can have a quick turnaround.
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I said 3 yrs because this yr is going to be what it is 6-10 to 8-8 no better. Next yr more parts addwill be add 9-7 or 10-6. Following yr def. playoffs imo
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I find it interesting that he is talking up the new players so soon.
The Browns must like the players they drafted or signed.
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I really REALLY like Mr.Holmgren.
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"Lastly, I think with the players having been through a year with Eric ... you know, he's a tough coach, but he's smart and he knows what he wants. And it's been my observation that they kind of understand him now. The fact they finished and won their four last games after that horrendous start, that told me they didn't quit. The relationship, the chemistry, in my observation, is a lot better. And I talked to a lot of [players]."
I Believe.
Meh, I WANT to believe. I really do. But under no circumstances am I ever giving the GM or the coach the keys to the city until I see the results of the plan. I don't care if Jesus Christ hisself is the GM and Moses is the HC and he's got Peter and Paul as OC and DC.
I'm always positive in July and August then by Halloween I'm crying in my beers. I'm tired of that. Mike Holmgren please change that.
Oh shoot. What the hell. I believe.
Arrghh.. you see what the hell this damn Browns addiction of mine does to me? It makes me crazy! 
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It doesn't mean anything until September gets here.
Talk about how great you are going to be after 3 regular season games, lets see what this team looks like after they have a 2-1 record or better.
If they start the year 1-2 or worse, then it is just the same old song and dance.
Are they even focused on the fundamentals? Are they even going to be able to play as a team with regular season intensity? Are they prepared to score points and avoid mistakes to avoid giving away points with their offnense?
Is the opponent even going to NEED to bring their defense this year?
I remember Mangini's post game press conferences last year, there were alot of bad results.
There is more that has been gained if this team starts off fast and then loses direction and misses out on the playoff race because they weren't ready enough
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If this team starts off slow and only shows competitiveness after they have been mathmatically eliminated from playoff contention.
At some point ( if they don't make the playoffs) they will become mathmatically eliminated and what happens before then, how much preparedness they show before then, will be the determiner in how much respect this team gets.
Week 3 will be over in around 70 or so days,
Ideally they will be 3-0 so they will only have to go 500 to be 7-4 with 5 games to play. A 7-4 team will have to be in the mix.
You can't win the div, in September but you can lose it, they have to be ready to wipe the floor with their division opponents, any opponents, really outscore them by alot, because since this is the Browns if they don't outscore the opponent by alot it will be hard to hold a lead late in the game.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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only thing that makes me nervous of saying our Browns will do big things is the difficulty of our schedule.
I know we can hang in there with just about any team.. but normally at some point (generally half-time) our team just falls apart and loses focus. Hopefully a vet at QB like Jake Delhomme can change that...
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I said 3 yrs because this yr is going to be what it is 6-10 to 8-8 no better. Next yr more parts addwill be add 9-7 or 10-6. Following yr def. playoffs imo
Not just replying to you, but I'm SO SICK of hearing this BS scenario. Every single offseason since I can remember, no matter how bad the year before, people always have their "3 year plan." Three years is enough to cut every single person on a team, sign all new players, and be competitive. However, if you don't "add the right players," you will be in the same state the Browns have been in.
It is not impossible for a team to turn around in 1 year. In a league where not many players are significantly better than any other player, it only takes two or three above average players to become a legitimate team. You can find these players anywhere--round 1 (Matt Ryan), round 7 (Colston), UDFA (Cribbs), Free agency (Cedric Benson). They're everywhere.
All I'm saying is that it does not need to take 3 years to turn any team around. You just have to make smart moves (Like resigning your best player and dumping two garbage quarterbacks).
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You just have to make smart moves (Like resigning your best player and dumping two garbage quarterbacks).
So,, that means the Browns are headed to the Superbowl right
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I cannot confirm nor deny that. 
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I suspect that there are a lot of former Witnesses who can step up for the Browns in the wake of The Screwy Decision. I don't need reasons to root the Hounds; I want some wins. Hopefully we start full throttle. 
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Been here to many times . I've got to see it with my own two eyes !
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"Lastly, I think with the players having been through a year with Eric ... you know, he's a tough coach, but he's smart and he knows what he wants. And it's been my observation that they kind of understand him now. The fact they finished and won their four last games after that horrendous start, that told me they didn't quit. The relationship, the chemistry, in my observation, is a lot better. And I talked to a lot of [players]."
I Believe.
Meh, I WANT to believe. I really do. But under no circumstances am I ever giving the GM or the coach the keys to the city until I see the results of the plan. I don't care if Jesus Christ hisself is the GM and Moses is the HC and he's got Peter and Paul as OC and DC.
I'm always positive in July and August then by Halloween I'm crying in my beers. I'm tired of that. Mike Holmgren please change that.
Oh shoot. What the hell. I believe.
Arrghh.. you see what the hell this damn Browns addiction of mine does to me? It makes me crazy!
Well, I know for a fact that the players are already seeing more of Mangini this year than damn near all of last year combined. He simply was trying to wear too many hats last year, and I think that was part of our troubles.
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I get the feeling that MH is feeling our pain and he feels our passionate cries for a time when we can all hold our heads up high and proudly say Cleveland you are champions.
How sweet it will be for all of the die hard fans who have been the butt of jokes a crossed this country for years on end yet remained true to their beloved Browns and the area, because we have been molded into strong willed americans threw our many adversities. I don't believe any of us take winning a championship for granted.
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I'd bet he does feel our pain.. had the same thing in GB when he first went there. So he should understand.
the good news is, he's been there and done that.. this isn't anything new to him. doesn't mean he'll be successful this time,, But he gives us a better chance than some other guys could.
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We all want to believe as fans of the team. But fact is we could possibly be starting 3 rookies in the 2ndary, have a washed up QB with a wildcat as the backup QB, right-side of OL is suspect and a mix of decent looking RBs...
There's so many holes to plug that this is a multi-year project before we see any real progress and hopefully by that time Holmgren and Mangini are still here or we can do it all over again w/ a new regime (as we've shown that's what the Browns do).
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I'd bet he does feel our pain.. had the same thing in GB when he first went there. So he should understand.
the good news is, he's been there and done that.. this isn't anything new to him. doesn't mean he'll be successful this time,, But he gives us a better chance than some other guys could.
There will be a celebration like no others in the anals of sports.
So many people in my neck of the woods jumped on the steelers ban wagons when our team moved to baltimore.
And now profess to all ways being a fan of the dreaded steelers and will jump back on the Browns band wagon when we turn this thing around probably.
Despicable, unthinkable and unfortunately in my mind unforgivable.
One common ground each of us on this board has, is that no matter what our differences are, we all live and die with our team.
I try to remember that fact when some other member is trying to hank my chain or reply s with a comment about my incorrect spelling or grammar and not the subject matter at hand.
In the end we all long for the same thing.
Never give up the dream Cleveland.
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But fact is we could possibly be starting 3 rookies in the 2ndary, have a washed up QB with a wildcat as the backup QB, right-side of OL is suspect and a mix of decent looking RBs...
Thanks Mr. Happy Pants 
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Gonna be an awesome celebration if/when we ever get there. I do know that if/when we get there, I'll be taking the follwing Monday and possibly even that Tuesday off work to recover, because if we finally win the big one, I don't plan on stopping the party anytime soon after 
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No kidding, if the Browns even play in the super bowl my work will shut down for that monday after. And if they win I might have the week off
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FL, I will admitt, I did root for the Steelers in our hiatus. Only because it was our biggest rival who we mirrored the Browns closest over the many years. However, there is no excuse if these fans you are talking about were not immediate Browns fans (again) by the the first Hall of fame game against Dallas back in 99' Here is to one game at a time this year. Keep in mind both Tampa & KC are looking @ the Browns as wins. I'm pretty sure we will be under dawgs come opening day in Tampa. There are many things I like about this team, especialy the final four games of last year. During this slow time I rewatched all the games starting from San-Diego. This team had alot of fight & Cribbs was not going to be denied, Harrison was very good & Vickers was a beast. Lets not forget the offensive line was very good, actually dominate. Hopefully we will build from that experience and get the start we are all looking for. 
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Gonna be an awesome celebration if/when we ever get there.
I do know that if/when we get there, I'll be taking the following Monday and possibly even that Tuesday off work to recover, because if we finally win the big one, I don't plan on stopping the party anytime soon after
LOL......how about a ticker tape parade threw the State, starting in Cleveland.
That could take us threw to Aprils draft. 
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I think that I watched about 3 NFL games during the time the Browns were not playing.
I still rooted against the Steelers though.
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Gonna be an awesome celebration if/when we ever get there.
I do know that if/when we get there, I'll be taking the following Monday and possibly even that Tuesday off work to recover, because if we finally win the big one, I don't plan on stopping the party anytime soon after
LOL......how about a ticker tape parade threw the State, starting in Cleveland.
That could take us threw to Aprils draft.
I think we should run that ticker tape parade right past Art Modells house..
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I can't imagine what even being in a super bowl would even be like. Surreal, to say the least. Winning one? My imaginative capacity doesn't even stretch that far. But needless to say, I could die on the spot of the clock ticking 0:00 and die happy.
All that being said, I think we can be some form of contender this year. I think we have a lot of work ethic and character on this team, from the walrus to the HC to the practice squad, and those are the characteristics that win those close ones in this league. Not going to make any prediction of records or anything, but I definitely feel that we are going to surprise one or two teams that are considered better than us. And, at the very least, other teams will walk away battered, bruised, and hurting.
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The air of optimism surrounding the team since Holmgren has joined the team has been almost bizarre, but the change in attitude has been not just welcome but an absolute necessity. Most importantly though, and the thing that has surprised me the most, is the way Mangini's approach to the media has changed as well since Holmgren came aboard.
In the first Holmgren interview, he made that joke about telling Mangini that he needed to smile more. That was no joke, Mangini was cold, he was building a reputation where his tactics were compared to Nazism in a sports illustrated article I read. That kind of press is terrible, players might read that and cast off playing for a coach like Mangini, and ultimately a team like Cleveland. Holmgren's change of attitude has shown across the board. Mangini is coming across a lot more genial and accessible. It was an absolutely necessary change!
I believe! I think that could be a huge marketing thing but I digress... I believe in this team for the first time in a while and I truly feel like we are building something that can grow, rather than rolling the dice and hoping it works out like it feels that we have been for the past decade. Holmgren brings a lifetime of football experience with him, he believes in his goals and he believes in the team. It WILL take time but I think it will be worth it in the end, at least I hope so.
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Yeah .. the other sounds quite disgusting .... and painful. 
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There was no football then. It was the time of darkness, when no football filled the land.
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There was no football then. It was the time of darkness, when no football filled the land.
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i think really, its because Holmgren been a winner everywhere he's been.
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I want to believe in this team, and this regime, but I am not letting myself fall for this again.
I've gotten my hopes up, and seen the optimism for this team die by the middle of October too many times to let myself fall for it anymore.
This organization has made me feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football, and I refuse to let that happen again.
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The air of optimism surrounding the team since Holmgren has joined the team has been almost bizarre,
i think really, its because Holmgren been a winner everywhere he's been.
Well I wasn't questioning Holmgren's reputation, more so thinking of it like this: Last season when we were at 1-11, fan morale was probably as low as I've ever seen it. It was ugly, and a lesser individual probably would've jumped ship. Now, we finished the season strong which helped and the hiring of Holmgren has further helped restore 'order' in the fan attitude department. To go from such a low to where we're all at now, singing optimism and praise left right and center well it does kind of feel like some crazy bizzaro world.
Holmgren has stepped in, he's said all the right things, he's brought in some savvy football minds to help steer the Good Ship Brown in the right direction and THAT is why I believe in him. Yes, his resume does speak for itself but really he was coaching in both those instances, he was not team president. His responsibilities with the Browns will be much different than those of which from when he was with Green Bay and Seattle.
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Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Holmgren article from today
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