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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38376722/ns/business-autos/I hate Ford. I hate Fords. But here's a "One hell of a Kudo" to you Ford motor company. 5 straight quarters making a profit! In this economy. Hell of a job guys!
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Well done. Gov't Motors needs to take heed and copy their methods.
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But if GM did that, they wouldn't qualify for government/taxpayer assistance.
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Awesome!
Some could argue they're only doing this well because of GM and Toyota's recent problems.....but doing it all in this economy, wow!
Has their car lineup, quality, or prices improved that much?
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What some people forget is that the FORD started streamlining their products about 3 years( whenever they brought in that CEO from Boeing) BEFORE the economy crashed. Plus, they started designing some products that people liked!!
GM has stream-lined but now it has to start designing some things...AKA.. sedans!
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Good for Ford, but the thinking on this thread has a lot to do with what's gotten us into this mess.
At some point, quarterly profits became the end-all-be-all. It was all that mattered. Sustainability took a back seat, as did ethics, domestic job retention, everything.
That's a dangerous line of thinking for a business, and why so many of them went belly up.
For all I know, Ford has a sound plan and is making all the right moves. I'm certainly not trying to insinuate otherwise. But merely hearing that they struck a high quarter profit or even a long string of them makes people all warm and fuzzy ... but the bottom line isn't the bottom line, if you know what I mean.
Is it sustainable in the long term? How much outsourcing was done to hit the number? What long term investments are they tied into?
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Besides working out a deal with the union a couple years ago that lessened the financial burden on Ford over the long term, they put out some new products that people have really taken too. A change in philosophy, design and techniques is creating a better quality product, as well as limiting the difference in parts among models. The ability to use similar parts across many models cuts costs way down.
Ford saw the light several years ago and started taking steps to correct their own problems. A lot was luck, they did it at the right time and are benefiting in these tough times. No matter how good you fix your issues in house, until the public takes a liking to your product your at the whim of the consumer, Ford has struck gold in that department with models that the public seems to really like.
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Well done. Gov't Motors needs to take heed and copy their methods.
GENERAL Motors has and they are taking steps towards doing so.
I do think their overall strategy is making RBI doubles whereas Ford is knocking it out of the park.
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Don't forget the demise of Mercury...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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It'd be a helluva start for GOV'T Motors to simply get a base hit.... or even a Walk.
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Geez phil, you are the most negative person on here I think. Do you pee on everyone's wheaties?  I hate ford. Hate. But for crying out loud, as DogNDc (I think it was him) mentioned - Ford changed things a while back.......they cut waste, they put a plan into action that they felt would enable them to make money. And they are. Yes, if they are focused only on quarterly profits they will have problems. But, the article I quoted didn't contain any caveats such as "they took a one time gain on "X".....it's been 5 quarters - that's a year and 3 months. Remember the recession we are in??????? And here's a company making a profit. All of your "doubts" could be said about ANY company. You do know a company is supposed to make a profit, right? Ford, as much as I hate them, didn't "brag" about it. They, as a public company, are forced to release quarterly numbers, are they not? They released them. I hate ford. But I'm damn glad they are profitable. You? You seem to be waiting for the shoe to drop on them. I hate ford, but I hope they continue to be profitable, and boy, if they're doing it now, they're heading in the right direction.
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I'm certainly not trying to insinuate otherwise.
You certainly are.
Let me refresh your memory:
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Good for Ford, but the thinking on this thread has a lot to do with what's gotten us into this mess.
At some point, quarterly profits became the end-all-be-all. It was all that mattered. Sustainability took a back seat, as did ethics, domestic job retention, everything.
That's a dangerous line of thinking for a business, and why so many of them went belly up.
For all I know, Ford has a sound plan and is making all the right moves.
Everything about that walks a tightrope along the line of insinuation.
And in case you've never managed to realize it, the bottom line IS the end-all-be-all for a corporation... and for one to be able to do this in this market, in that field and while saddled with the same union that dragged GM down with the same credit issues that are hampering buyers everywhere... it is WELL deserving of the applause it has gotten in here.
They are running the business the way it should have been run the last 40 years, and the way Henry Ford ran it that turned it into a global giant.
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I hate Ford. I hate Fords.
But here's a "One hell of a Kudo" to you Ford motor company.
5 straight quarters making a profit! In this economy.
Hell of a job guys!
Have you driven any of thier new models,,, The Taurus SHO for instance.. wow what a beast...
They did things right,, about 3 to 5 years prior to this debacle, they began setting the table to reduce costs, get lean, etc.. When this po hit the fan a couple of years ago, they were able to withstand..
Cheers to Ford.. They had a Better Idea... 
had to edit,, had the years wrong...oops
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I didn't insinuate anything about Ford. My comments were about the reaction to the news. Quote:
And in case you've never managed to realize it, the bottom line IS the end-all-be-all for a corporation...
If they focus solely on profits for the next quarter without consideration of other factors, it is likely that they will go broke.
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Some of us can't afford new cars because we lose too much of our paychecks in taxes ...... 
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I didn't insinuate anything about Ford. My comments were about the reaction to the news. Quote:
And in case you've never managed to realize it, the bottom line IS the end-all-be-all for a corporation...
If a corporation focuses solely on profits for the next quarter without consideration of other factors, the probability is very high that they will go broke.
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Even though I thought Mercury made some well made cars, the fact is that they were not selling alot of cars/trucks. They were a division that Ford did not put any real effort into for along time( design, new products..etc), so it was time for them to pull the plug on Mercury. No demise, just a good business move. ..BTW - as one who used to love early cougars..ie..67 or 68 Cougars, it was sad to see them go.
And GM finally had to do the same with Pontiac, Olds, and Saturn.
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Be patient my friend, in a couple years we will all be issued identical vehicles, homes, TV's, uniforms, given instructions on where we will work, where to pick up our government rations, and what you can do with your non-working hours.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Some of us can't afford new cars because we lose too much of our paychecks in taxes ......
So what your saying is, Bush overtaxed you? 
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Some of us can't afford new cars because we lose too much of our paychecks in taxes ......
So what your saying is, Bush overtaxed you?
Actually .... yes. Federal, State, and City taxes are a killer when you are middle class and single, with no kids.
I see no reason that anyone should have to pay more than 1/3 of his income in taxes.
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And in case you've never managed to realize it, the bottom line IS the end-all-be-all for a corporation...
If they focus solely on profits for the next quarter without consideration of other factors, it is likely that they will go broke.
It's too bad you feel that way. I hate ford - have I mentioned that?
It does not appear they are focused on quarterly profits. Especially when you look at the recession........GM, Chrysler, and most other businesses.
As a public company, they have to report quarterly - is that right?
So they've made a profit 5 straight quarters and you want to toss them under the bus?
You should be giving them kudos as well. They aren't playing accounting games, they didn't sell of part of the company. They are making cars and selling them at a profit.
Will they hit a quarter when the lose? Most definately - every company does - hell, even my one man operation does - too often for my liking by the way.
Quit being a negative nellie - realize that ford has been profitable for over a year due to things they did previously - and realize the GM and Chrysler were out of business a year ago if not for bailout funds.
And I love GM and hate ford.
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Have you driven any of thier new models,,, The Taurus SHO for instance.. wow what a beast...
They did things right,, about 3 to 5 years prior to this debacle, they began setting the table to reduce costs, get lean, etc.. When this po hit the fan a couple of years ago, they were able to withstand..
Cheers to Ford.. They had a Better Idea...
had to edit,, had the years wrong...oops
Nope - I hate ford. Won't buy one for anything. Not new, not used. (although the motor home I have is a ford chassis - and that plays a tiny bit into my thinking - but not much)
I sold Pontiac and GMC for 11 years. The first vehicle I purchased (not one my dad bought for me - my money) was an S-15, used. The first vehicle I bought new as a 1991 Grand Am - still on the road by the way. I'm a GM guy through and through.
Here's a list of what I have owned - the years may not be precise: 1985 GMC S-15, 1991 Pontiac Grand Am (new), 1995 GMC Jimmy (new), 2000 GMC Jimmy (new) 1985 Chevy C-1500 (used - my Browns truck, which I just junked), 2003 GMC Jimmy (new), 1994 Pontiac Grand Am (used - son's car), 1994 Pontiac Bonneville (used, my car, 158,000 miles on it now), 2006 H-3 (new), 2000 GMC C-1500 (used - 178,000 miles). Plus a 1988 Chevy chassis motor home, and the 1998 Chassis ford motor home.
I'm not buying a ford in my life. Nothing against them, just hate them.
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Not criticizing ot admonishing Ford for doing so...just adding as one of the events that has happened that may have helped in the numbers calculating this streak of quarters with a profit... And I liked those 67 and 68 Cougars as well...so to go from cars like that....to dissolving...I think it was a demise...I don't care how many years it was 
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Ford is the only American company I would consider buying from currently. They are producing nice vehicles that are also getting good reliability ratings, etc.
I rented a Taurus (not SHO) and it was nice. Very impressed with the ride, comfort, etc. You sit up a tad higher than a normal car and I liked that. So much so that Ford is now a consideration when I get a new vehicle here soon. I swore off American cars until I drove that Taurus for a week and the ratings have been reliable on their cars.
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Have you driven any of thier new models,,, The Taurus SHO for instance.. wow what a beast...
They did things right,, about 3 to 5 years prior to this debacle, they began setting the table to reduce costs, get lean, etc.. When this po hit the fan a couple of years ago, they were able to withstand..
Cheers to Ford.. They had a Better Idea...
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Nope - I hate ford. Won't buy one for anything. Not new, not used. (although the motor home I have is a ford chassis - and that plays a tiny bit into my thinking - but not much)
I sold Pontiac and GMC for 11 years. The first vehicle I purchased (not one my dad bought for me - my money) was an S-15, used. The first vehicle I bought new as a 1991 Grand Am - still on the road by the way. I'm a GM guy through and through.
Here's a list of what I have owned - the years may not be precise: 1985 GMC S-15, 1991 Pontiac Grand Am (new), 1995 GMC Jimmy (new), 2000 GMC Jimmy (new) 1985 Chevy C-1500 (used - my Browns truck, which I just junked), 2003 GMC Jimmy (new), 1994 Pontiac Grand Am (used - son's car), 1994 Pontiac Bonneville (used, my car, 158,000 miles on it now), 2006 H-3 (new), 2000 GMC C-1500 (used - 178,000 miles). Plus a 1988 Chevy chassis motor home, and the 1998 Chassis ford motor home.
I'm not buying a ford in my life. Nothing against them, just hate them.
I gotta tell you, I'm a GM guy also,, Dad retired from Fisher Body so I have always been pretty loyal.. the occasional dally with another brand, but mostly GM..
And GM is putting out some damn fine vehicles.. The new Caddy line is great. I'm loving the Buicks these days and I'm not at all unhappy with the new Chevys..
But I am not hard headed enough not to apprciate a well built car like the Taurus.. that SHO is rather amazing to be honest..
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I don't doubt that - about the SHO.
Ford obviously makes good vehicles.
I'm just a GM guy. When/if my Bonne dies, I'll look into a used Jeep Wrangler. Cheap - cause my wife always has the newer vehicle. I drive up town to take my daughter to school - during school that is - and otherwise, don't drive my car much. Heck, I've only put about 51,000 miles on it in what - 8 years?
By the way, I forgot 2 vehicles I had - a 1996 Ford E van, and the van I replaced it with - a 2006 Chevy 3/4 ton van.
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I like Fords, my last 2 vehicles have been Fords.. I'm glad they are turning a profit.. I am curious though at what point they make too much money and then we have to hate them again...
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I didn't insinuate anything about Ford. My comments were about the reaction to the news.
I disagree, but, whatever.
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And in case you've never managed to realize it, the bottom line IS the end-all-be-all for a corporation...
If a corporation focuses solely on profits for the next quarter without consideration of other factors, the probability is very high that they will go broke.
Have you not paid any attention at all to Ford over the last year? They are the one company that has taken a long-term outlook on everything. They are the one auto manufacturer - some foreign ones included - that has not taken any bailout funds at all. They have been doing things the right way, which is why this article is news worthy, and it is why people are applauding them... because of the stark contrast to the likes of GM.
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I like Fords, my last 2 vehicles have been Fords.. I'm glad they are turning a profit.. I am curious though at what point they make too much money and then we have to hate them again...
Well you can hate them if you want, but I love the fact they are making money.. the more the merrier..
Oh wait, you were kidding weren't you Duhhhhhhh
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Have you not paid any attention at all to Ford over the last year? They are the one company that has taken a long-term outlook on everything. They are the one auto manufacturer - some foreign ones included - that has not taken any bailout funds at all. They have been doing things the right way, which is why this article is news worthy, and it is why people are applauding them... because of the stark contrast to the likes of GM.
Exactly. Thank you. I hate fords - but the COMPANY is doing it right. Phil can't seem to see that a company that is making a profit quarter after quarter might just be doing something right - no, he thinks they are milking the system.
Dang man - a ford hater gives props to ford...........and people still gripe.
Phil - you do realize this isn't just one quarter, right?
Phil, you do realize that profits are good, right?
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Here's a list of what I have owned -
I could list what I've owned, but if I tried to list the stuff my hubby and his family have owned, it might just be easier to open a Kelly Blue Book and tell you what he HASN'T had. LOL!
I've had a '86 Chevy Cavalier RS, a 92 Chevy Cavalier RS Wagon, '00 Suzuki Vitara, 04 Pontiac Grand Prix GT (my FAVE car), '07 Jeep Liberty Sport (my WORST car).
Hubs and I currently also own a '97 Mazda Miata and an '02 Mazda Protege 5 (we love Mazdas!)
But, I've had some Ford rental cars and have really liked: Fusion, Taurus, Focus etc. Hated the Focus (steering wheel seriously almost fell off) but loved the Fusion and Taurus!
Good for Ford! SOMEONE needs to be turning a profit (I mean, besides BP, right?)
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Phil can't seem to see that a company that is making a profit quarter after quarter might just be doing something right - no, he thinks they are milking the system.
I don't think that in the slightest.
My comments had zero to do with Ford. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Everything I said was directed at the mentality that good quarter profits = company is doing well. That line of thinking can be dangerous.
I said nothing about Ford. I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on their business practices.
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04 Pontiac Grand Prix GT (my FAVE car)
Mine's an '02.. and also my FAVE ever.
I had an '89 Grand Am, a '92 Cavalier, a '94 Grand Am and now this Grand Prix. Never owned a Ford, but as it stands, with Pontiac being defunct, if I by American, I will give them a serious look.
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Everything I said was directed at the mentality that good quarter profits = company is doing well. That line of thinking can be dangerous.
I get it. I know what you were saying. But if you knew anything about it, you would see that ford is not concentrating on quarterly profits. They are concentrating on being a viable company phil, and being a viable company means you make PROFIT. They are not, as much as I dislike ford - they are not going for the "oh, look, we made a profit this quarter" kind of thing. They positioned themselves a few years back - they took the necessary steps - and now they are profitable. Don't shame them, don't belittle them. Don't assume they are after only quarterly profits. They have a good business plan, and good products.
GM could/should learn a lot from them.
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Well, I'm confused as to whether or not I should hate Ford or not ..... My brother loves Ford trucks. It's all he buys. He bought his wife a new Ford Focus earlier this year. He wanted a new Ford truck for himself. He was looking at a 4 door extended cab 4X4 with all the goodies. He couldn't afford it. Well .... he could, but he didn't want a car payment that was that high. So he found a used Ford truck with super low mileage. The truck is like brand new, but cost less than 1/2 what a new one would have been. He also got some ungodly low interest rate through Ford. So anyway .... should I hate Ford because their new trucks are $45,000 ...... or should I like them because he got a great deal on a used one .... and Ford was the one who got him an excellent interest rate? I'm so confused ...... 
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Well, I'm confused as to whether or not I should hate Ford or not .....
My brother loves Ford trucks. It's all he buys.
He bought his wife a new Ford Focus earlier this year.
He wanted a new Ford truck for himself. He was looking at a 4 door extended cab 4X4 with all the goodies.
He couldn't afford it. Well .... he could, but he didn't want a car payment that was that high.
So he found a used Ford truck with super low mileage. The truck is like brand new, but cost less than 1/2 what a new one would have been. He also got some ungodly low interest rate through Ford.
So anyway .... should I hate Ford because their new trucks are $45,000 ...... or should I like them because he got a great deal on a used one .... and Ford was the one who got him an excellent interest rate?
I'm so confused ......
Ya gotta love the Yugo man....
About Ford Trucks,, he must have loaded it up to get to 45k
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/superduty/
Last edited by Damanshot; 07/23/10 04:55 PM.
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Can I get that Yugo in electric please?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Can I get that Yugo in electric please?
electric.. is that a color?
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