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http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nflBrowns | Agree to terms with Montario Hardesty Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:35:55 -0400 The Cleveland Browns have agreed to terms with rookie RB Montario Hardesty, reports Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Glad to see him in. He will get a lot of carries this year even if Harrison starts, so the earlier he is in, the better, just like all rookies.
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That's good news. I have a feeling we'll get Ward signed here soon, too.
Hopefully Haden isn't too far behind.
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Montario Hardesty agrees to contract with Browns
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 26, 2010 9:31 AM ET
One of my favorite sleeper picks for Offensive Rookie of the Year has agreed to his first NFL contract.
The Browns agreed to terms with running back Montario Hardesty, according to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. Hardesty should split carries with Jerome Harrison this year, although we expect the rookie from Tennessee to lead the team in carries and touchdowns. He's got a good chance for early success behind an underrated offensive line.
Cleveland's rookies showed up to camp three days ago, and two rookies (Joe Haden and safety T.J. Ward) remain unsigned. The full squad doesn't practice until Saturday.
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That's good news. I have a feeling we'll get Ward signed here soon, too.
Hopefully Haden isn't too far behind.
Hopefully on Joe, but the facts lead me to believe it may be a while.
Right now all his agent has to go on is what the Browns offered compared to last years 7th pick....which was Oakland and that crazy big deal.
I am afraid we won't see much movement by either side until some of the picks in front and directly behind start to sign. Then each side will start to get a feel for the parameters of where they need to be looking.
Right now we are left with the Browns making their starting point offer and Haden looking at last years numbers for the draft slot....there has to be a pretty big gap there. With neither side really knowing where to move, it will be a waiting game.
As I see it, there really isn't much else that can be done unless one side is willing to enter a bad deal.
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Awesome news!!! Although I was not overly pumped at the Hardisty pick at first, watching more film of him and hearing how he performed at OTAs makes me feel VERY positive about this guy. I think he'll be our rookie star this year.
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Right now all his agent has to go on is what the Browns offered compared to last years 7th pick....which was Oakland and that crazy big deal.
Yeah the key word here is "crazy" I'd rather see Haden sit all year before the Browns giving into some rediculous contract. How the Browns new regime handle this years rookie contracts will greatly affect how agents will approach them in years to come.
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I have a feeling we'll get Ward signed here soon, too.
I can understand why Haden isn't signed. Considering the stupid Raiders and all the other stuff involved w/ a pick that high.
But Ward? Why the heck isn't he signed? Ridiculous.
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I'm not that surprised....If you look at it, the Browns have been hyper organized this year and have just been working their way up through their draft, signing guys in order.
I think it makes alot of sense.
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Great news.... Who does that leave,, Haden and Ward? That's it right?
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Perfect!!! Lets get this train rolling... execution!!!!!! GO BROWNS!! 
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It's funny, but I signed on Facebook last night around midnight, and the FIRST thing that popped up was hardesty saying he just signed the papers and i was pumped.
yep, just Ward and Haden.
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Yeah this is great news.. Jim Donovan was saying over the weekend that he expects all to be signed and in camp by Friday the 30th. I sure hope he's right...
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Awesome News!  He is one kid that I am *really* stoked about seeing play this year. If the OTA hype is even half true, and Harrison picks up where he left off, our running game is gonna be MONSTER.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Right now all his agent has to go on is what the Browns offered compared to last years 7th pick....which was Oakland and that crazy big deal.
Yeah the key word here is "crazy" I'd rather see Haden sit all year before the Browns giving into some rediculous contract. How the Browns new regime handle this years rookie contracts will greatly affect how agents will approach them in years to come.
I agree, but as I said, that is the only other number other than whatever our initial offer was, so until something starts to develop around Hadens position neither side really knows where to find a meeting point.
The Browns don't want to pay more than the guy picked 6th, and Haden doesn't want to sign for less than the guy picked 8th.
Both sides want to protect their position....which is understandable, and why Haden may be out a while if the before mentioned picks hold out for a while.
The good in any of this if the holdout does linger, is that as a CB, Haden won't fall as far behind as if he was a QB, or even a offensive player for that matter. It won't take weeks to get up to speed.
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To add, there is little pressure for Haden to start right away.
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The Browns don't want to pay more than the guy picked 6th, and Haden doesn't want to sign for less than the guy picked 8th
...and that would be fair considering that those 2 spots are also in-line with what should be fair contracts. Holding a team hostage because of what a team like the Raiders have done should not be acceptable.
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The Browns don't want to pay more than the guy picked 6th, and Haden doesn't want to sign for less than the guy picked 8th
...and that would be fair considering that those 2 spots are also in-line with what should be fair contracts. Holding a team hostage because of what a team like the Raiders have done should not be acceptable.
Who says they are holding us hostage at this point??
All I am saying is that is the only number to consider at this point.....unless you think the Browns offer is a totally fair and isn't hedged in favor of the Browns.
I don't have any facts or figures, but I would say the number of players in the history of signing contracts to do so on the initial offer is pretty small.
If someone says make me an offer on anything, do you throw out the highest you are willing to pay or do you throw out a low number to get the process rolling???
We all know the answer.
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Perfect!!! Lets get this train rolling... execution!!!!!!
GO BROWNS!!
H&H Railroad (Harrison & Hardesty)
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Great news.
I would be disappointed with Hardesty if he:
A) held out
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B) Does not win the starting job.
Montario Hardesty is the real deal. He has it all, it's just a matter of if he's over his knee problems, which he should be. The fact that he was not relied on hard in @ Tennessee is a very good thing for us down the road.
you had a good run Hank.
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All aboard! Holding out is verboten! Get in camp! And best of luck, you Cleveland Brown! 
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Welcome to the Browns officially, Montario. Good to have you in the orange and brown fold. You've got a strong Oline in front of you, a great fullback, impressive change of pace backs-one for speed and one for short yardage power-to compliment you. Everything is set up for you to succeed. Show us what you've got!!
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B) Does not win the starting job.
don't worry about him "winning" the starting job. Harrison should be the official starter week1, but that does not mean much in the NFL. More out of respect to the veteran than anything.
I expect them both to achieve similar carry numbers. If they are both successful, hopefully it becomes a DeAngelo/Stewart type backfield (hey, if we are going to dream, let's dream big).
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I expect them both to achieve similar carry numbers. If they are both successful, hopefully it becomes a DeAngelo/Stewart type backfield (hey, if we are going to dream, let's dream big).
Have been dreaming of it since Mack & Byner.
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I think a lot of people will be shocked that Harrison will have a lot less carries than what people are expecting.
I expect Hardesty to get about 20 per game and Harrison to get about 10. I also expect Hardesty to be in there for passing downs as well because he has very good hands.
I love Harrison as a change of pace back but do not expect him to take massive amounts of carries because he is smallish. Relying on him to be a work horse of any kind would be foolish.
It is very nice, however, to have 2 backs who compliment each other very well. Harrison will be a monster as a change of pace back in the 4th after the other team is worn down by Hardesty's power and quickness.
you had a good run Hank.
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I'll take Hardesty with 100 yards through 2 1/2 quarters and Harrison with 100 yards through the final 1 1/2 quarters. 
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I'll take Hardesty with 100 yards through 2 1/2 quarters and Harrison with 100 yards through the final 1 1/2 quarters.
I will say this:
I'd be very, very disappointed if Hardesty and Harrison do not combine for over 2,000 yards next season.
you had a good run Hank.
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That's a very tough accomplishment. I don't think a Cleveland backfield has rushed for a combined 2000 yards since Byner and Mack.
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That's a very tough accomplishment. I don't think a Cleveland backfield has rushed for a combined 2000 yards since Byner and Mack.
With 16 games, I don't think it's a tough accomplishment at all.
Hell, last year we ran for over 2,000 yards.
you had a good run Hank.
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We did? I didn't realize it.
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We did? I didn't realize it.
Yep: 8th in the NFL in rushing with 2,087 and a 4.2 average. Imagine if we had a full season going at that rate?
Source: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?a...e&Submit=Go
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I'll take Hardesty with 100 yards through 2 1/2 quarters and Harrison with 100 yards through the final 1 1/2 quarters.
I hope they do this right. I've seen this before, a rookie runningback is best released into the fold somewhere near mid october to the start of November, the game, the importance of the runningbacks per play production, and what he means to the teams productiveness, are too important to allow for on job training.
Unless this guy busts out like Herschell Walker, or Bo Jackson, in training camp and pre-season then he should get his feet wet a few plays at a time.
I've seen it with big games by rookies like Trung Candidate, and others, that if they are employed sparingly until about 7 weeks into the season, when they start to get a feel for the rhythm of the weeks and the speed of the game, and also the players they are on the field with, then they will have better production.
If the player is hit and miss early in the year, then the receivers QB's are going to have to reach for more difficult catches, scrambles, whatever to try to keep drives alive, ( it hurts the offense). Even if the player can break some big gains, what you need is consistency.
Early in the year they need to run out there with Harrisson, and Jennings, and Davis and Cribbs getting carries like late last season. You put in someone like Hardesty ( a tough, power, factor back, hopefully), when you take the lead and are in a good game position and potential mistakes won't hurt you as much.
This is why I think Harisson to start out the game, Hardesty to showcase the 2nd half.
Imagine this! A tuff nosed hard hitting back, with fresh legs, Yet to be used in the game, unleashed on the first series of the 3rd quarter!
With the Browns that first series might be with 6 minutes to play in the 3rd quarter, and the game might still be up for grabs.
When December gets here! You are going to need all the runningbacks you can get! Because of the super freezing weather; to punish the defenses.
So if they do things right, they can keep all of their runninbacks on the roster except maybe 1, and still keep Cribbs which I don't list at any position because he plays everywhere.
It is possible, to keep 5 + Josh, if you don't keep more than 8 linebackers anyway. I did the 53, and it worked with 3TE 6WR 6RB 8OL 3QB 1P 1K 1LS
and the best of the best on defense.
Just move 2 of those carbon copies of each other at linebacker to the practice squad and only keep NINE of them, because they are easier to replace than a runninback who
a runinback who WANTS to see the team WIN
they keep too many lbs to play special teams and the defense is bad anyways
If when they drafted 3 dbs (2 of which are safeties) they aren't able to get by with 9 linebackers then there is just too much duplication.
This is the Case to keep both Jennings and Davis at Rb, + others
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I don't think a Cleveland backfield has rushed for a combined 2000 yards since Byner and Mack.
That was the last time we had 2 RBs w/ 1,000 yards EACH.
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I realized that. I just didn't think we had another combined 2,000 yard season. I think it was Big Dawg that set me straight.
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All aboard! Holding out is verboten! Get in camp! And best of luck, you Cleveland Brown!
LOL......well this news was just what I needed after the Monday I had.
And Haden will hopefully soon follow as TJ has
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I love Harrison as a change of pace back but do not expect him to take massive amounts of carries because he is smallish. Relying on him to be a work horse of any kind would be foolish.
No offense dude, just MO.
I am biased about JH partly because I'm a small guy, but mostly because he produces when given the opportunity. Yet we always have posters saying he's not big enough to be a feature back.
Unless Hardesty lights it up early, maybe we should view Jerome as a workhorse until he shows he isn't one?
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I love Harrison as a change of pace back but do not expect him to take massive amounts of carries because he is smallish. Relying on him to be a work horse of any kind would be foolish.
Harrison is 5'9 and 205lbs. Chris Johnson is 5'11 and 200lbs. Not saying that Harrison is as good as Johnson, but I am tired of the "he is too small to be a feature back" argument. Being 2 inches shorter and 5 lbs heavier means he is more compactly built.
Harrison had 116 carries over the final 3 games of the season. There is no reason that he couldn't get 250 - 300 carries in a season. With Hardesty here now, he may not need to get to that number, but Hardest hasn't proved anything while Harrison has 271 career carries with a 4.8 yard per carry average. Harrison should be the feature back until Hardesty proves he is better in practice and in real game situations.
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I love Harrison as a change of pace back but do not expect him to take massive amounts of carries because he is smallish. Relying on him to be a work horse of any kind would be foolish.
Harrison is 5'9 and 205lbs. Chris Johnson is 5'11 and 200lbs. Not saying that Harrison is as good as Johnson, but I am tired of the "he is too small to be a feature back" argument. Being 2 inches shorter and 5 lbs heavier means he is more compactly built.
Harrison had 116 carries over the final 3 games of the season. There is no reason that he couldn't get 250 - 300 carries in a season. With Hardesty here now, he may not need to get to that number, but Hardest hasn't proved anything while Harrison has 271 career carries with a 4.8 yard per carry average. Harrison should be the feature back until Hardesty proves he is better in practice and in real game situations.
There is a huge, huge difference between Harrison and Johnson. People cannot hit Johnson because he is so fast.
If you really want to rely on a 5'9" RB, more power to ya. But there is a reason the NFL is not full of undersized guys like Harrison. There is also a reason guys like Hardesty keep getting drafted, and drafted highly.
you had a good run Hank.
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I love Harrison as a change of pace back but do not expect him to take massive amounts of carries because he is smallish. Relying on him to be a work horse of any kind would be foolish.
No offense dude, just MO.
I am biased about JH partly because I'm a small guy, but mostly because he produces when given the opportunity. Yet we always have posters saying he's not big enough to be a feature back.
Unless Hardesty lights it up early, maybe we should view Jerome as a workhorse until he shows he isn't one?
I agree.....If you think about how few carries he has had to this point in his career.
Harrison should have many more carries left in the tank.
Hardesty will push Harrison and visa versa.
The best is yet to come imo, because I don't believe for one minute that last seasons was a fluke.
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