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dunno, baseball reference is very reputable. do you have anything that could prove otherwise?

according to both wikipedia and baseball reference, they were two seperate clubs.

From the Reds site.

http://mlb.mlb.com/cin/history/timeline1.jsp

MLB.com

Yeah, we are all just making this up. We Reds fans know nothing about our team...especially something like this.

lol, but are you really sure?

Oh, I'm sure there are some nit-picking people who argue otherwise. The fact is they are recognized as the first professional team in baseball....unless you are a fan of another team with an axe to grind.

Just clickin Jules

So in reading through all the people who choose to be Reds fan, but at same time are CLEVELAND Browns fans, I see a trend developing.

The Reds have been a great franchise over time, and the Indians were horrible in the sixties, seventys, and eigjhties, so they chose to stick with their home team.

Now on the other hand, the Browns are one of the great franchises in football history and the Bengals are, well the Bungles so these fans have chosen to be Browns fans.

So the summary of the whole discussion is, these fans are smilar to NE ohio people who choose to be Steelers fans, but yet are Tribe fans, Cavs fans and OSU fans due to their recent sucess'm

i have no axe to grind, was just curious.

like i said, i hope they go far. i love their logo too and may pick up their hat.(love the color red)

it's an ohio team. can't say the same for the bengals. can't stand them or that bandwagon fanbase.

Either do I, I just wanted to start some shtuff


King

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just saying, from what several sites said, it seems like it was 2 different clubs.

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So you're going to believe "several sites" over mlb.com?

I feel old now because most don't remember when and why Cincinnati had the first game on opening day for years until BSPN screwed everything up with it's Sunday night opener.

But it's ok, I can forgive the young, for being young, it isn't their fault.

I remember baseball season always started with the Reds, even though we were all Indians fans we always checked out then the Reds played thier first home gaem of the season, then we knew the season had started and the tribe were to follow.

Give it up dude.....it's not working.

Communities had amateur clubs all over the country, travelling to play neighboring communities. The Reds were the first team that was paid to play the game, thus being professional.

It was in all the newspapers, and there will be a film clip on the 11 o'clock news, or you can check the scroll on CNN for the newsflash.

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Ok I researched a bit,that is not completely accurate. They were the first ALL professional team. There were other teams with pro ball players but not the whole team.

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What I said is entirely accurate.....they were the first TEAM that was assembled as professionals. This is something that has been known (widely I thought) for over 100 years.

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There were also other sanctioned teams that the Reds beat. They won their first 130 game straight but 57 of those were against sanctioned teams,the others are considered sort of exhibition games.

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I know. It's my team. I know this. I knew this.

All I know is I went to every store in this jerked off town I live in and could not find a Reds hat. I even went to a couple second-hand clothing stores hoping I'd get lucky.

Pirates? Yes. Twins? Yes.
Yankees/Sox/Mariners!!!/Jays? Yes.
Reds? No.

Knowledge is a good thing; nice to see you find some.

You could find Pirates hats because nobody buys them.

Boo envious Tribe fans , Hooray Reds

The more Coco increases the blood pressure the more I'm agreeing with Rhodes as the closer. Atleast Dusty got him out in time, barely.

Picked up a game on the Cards, I'm probably heading down for 2 games this week. Can't call me a fair weather fan either since it will be 95+ However this is the most excited I've been to attend a Reds game in the past 10 years easily.

No doubt about Coco.

Drew with some timely hitting today, but likely not timely enough with Dickerson coming back after tearing up AAA. If only Drew could imagine every ball park is Wrigley.

With the success we've had Aroldis Chapman has had the opportunity to get work where he needs it without a barrage of questions of when he might get called up. Like everyone else I expect to see him with the Club just before September to be playoff eligible (man, "playoff eligible" ... that's such an enjoyable consideration). He could certainly play a part in sitting Coco.

Jason Isringhausen is also expected on or before August 31st.

GO REDS.

Cards game postponed today and Reds waxed the Cubbies to now have a 2 game lead in the standings.

Reds vs Cardinals on ESPN tomorrow nite! Tune in!

We're gonna have to beat their best...... Carpenter, Garcia and Wainright.

Can't wait for tomorrow night.

The next three nights are going to be fun to watch........GO REDS!

I am still hanging with MLB.com........Go Reds kick the Cardinals butts!

It is nice that they are on ESPN tomorrow night........Leake pitching!

Cueto on Tuesday, and Arroyo on Wednesday.

Let's keep the bats going!

Reds aquire Edmonds for Dickerson

Love it

The 'damage' - if any - is already done. The worst that can happen is to be a game back ? That's not so bad. What the Reds really needed was to bury St. Louis at 5 back.

Like the thread says, it's August !

The Reds are playing like total crap against St. Louis. Not sure why...maybe they're scared.

It looks like Brandon Phillips' attempt to fire up his team with derogatory comments about the Cardinals may have backfired. Here's a column from the St Louis Post, with an obvious slant that favors the Cards. I don't disagree with it, though. Its always better to keep your mouth shut and let your game do the talking.


Cards stand tall as rivalry with Reds gets personal

Bernie Miklasz
Wednesday, August 11, 2010
St Louis Post-Dispatch

CINCINNATI • Well, Brandon Phillips got his wish. He turned himself into the center of attention. And Phillips' bravado in directing his hate speech at the Cardinals succeeded in stimulating Reds fans, who happily gave their man a hero's standing ovation.

On a steamy night at the Great American Ball Park, the Cardinals and the Reds were roiling on the river. All of the tension and anger finally bubbled over and spilled onto the field when Phillips and Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina went jaw-to-jaw in the bottom of the first.

The only thing missing was ring announcer Michael Buffer. The benches and bullpens cleared; the foul air hanging over these proceedings did not.

During a surprisingly edgy scrum for baseball, Cardinals pitcher Chris Carpenter was pinned against the backstop, Reds pitcher Johnny Cueto turned into an Eddie Murphy film character - Karate man! - and kicked Cardinals catcher Jason LaRue in the head, and both managers were ejected.

The challenge was officially thrown down. The bad blood was on the surface. The increasingly hostile Cardinals-Reds rivalry was opened raw and wide, for all to see. There would be no going back now. This wasn't a game. It was personal.

Given all of the words, spittle and dust that flew around the place on Tuesday night to charge an already static atmosphere, I was curious to see how each of the contenders would respond. Who would remain calm and professional? Who would freak out and lose composure?

The answer: Cardinals 8, Reds 4.

Cardinals manager Tony La Russa didn't necessarily enjoy watching the contest from his office. He claimed that he vomited four times because his stomach was churning so violently throughout the nine innings. But La Russa was proud of the victory and paid his men a supreme compliment in an ebullient postgame clubhouse.

"I'd have to search long and hard, and I've been around a long time, but I guarantee you that was tied for first," La Russa said. "I haven't had too many games in all the years I've managed that were in this category of reaching down there deep and gutting it out and playing baseball. This was as good an exhibition of that as many that I've ever been around."

And every Cardinals fan should be saying these four words today:

Thank you, Brandon Phillips.

So in his desperate, pathetic attempt to get noticed, Phillips became the perfect foil for the Cardinals. But the lightning rod became a divining rod instead. Because of large-mouth Phillips, the Cardinals found something that had been missing for much of the season.

I don't even know how to explain it, really. It's difficult to define. Call it mojo. Maybe it's sharpened focus. Perhaps it's esprit de corps. I do believe the Cardinals play hard, and that they care, but at times this season you just wanted to see more urgency from them. But this much is certain: the Cardinals stood as one against Cincinnati's clown prince. The Cardinals were raging Tuesday. They were on fire.

And Phillips' attack on the Cardinals - he called them "little bitches" - disintegrated into a spectacular, epic failure for the Reds. I wonder if Phillips' teammates realize that Phillips was just what the doctor of psychiatry ordered for the Cardinals.

After Monday night's game, I thought the Phillips folderol would pass. STLtoday.com ran a question Tuesday morning: Did Phillips just win the NL Central for the Cardinals? I didn't think so. I dismissed the potential impact. And there's a lot of baseball left. This may all be forgotten in a few days.

But then on Tuesday, Phillips refused to back down from his name-calling. His manager, Dusty Baker, offered a half-hearted expression of disapproval over Phillips' actions. But Baker didn't get his guy under control. And then - in an act of transparent phoniness - Phillips tapped Molina on the shin guards in a traditional baseball greeting, as if they were buddies or something.

Molina essentially told Phillips: You don't talk bad about my team like that, and then come up here and act like everything is OK.

The Cardinals were ready to go. Of course they were. How many times would any self-respecting group of individuals allow themselves to be called the kind of names that Phillips hurled at them? Of course Molina snapped. He had been provoked. I don't think a tough-guy catcher likes being called a "bitch" by Phillips.

What Phillips didn't know is that he'd turned the screwdriver, yes, he did - but against his own team. Phillips gave the Cardinals a shared sense of purpose. In pulling into a tie for first, the visitors rose up and smacked the Reds around for the second consecutive night. The Cardinals have won the first two games of the series by a combined 15-7 score.

Is that a statement?

"I know our guys," La Russa said. "This is not the first time we've been challenged. You just go up and down our roster and we've got a bunch of guys who are very tough characters. There are times that you beat us where we're not good enough. But you're never going to scare us. And we're never going to back down."

Conversely, the Reds became unglued Tuesday, making three errors and poor decisions. Cueto - who was kicking at Cardinals' players during the brouhaha - was completely out of steam after 51⁄3 innings. This would-be Bruce Lee ran out of kicks too early, after the Cardinals had pelted him for seven hits and four earned runs.

On one level, this was serious stuff. I don't think Cardinals fans enjoyed the sight of Carpenter getting bulldozed into the backstop, vulnerable to injury. Other than No. 2 catcher LaRue - who may have suffered a concussion after being kicked by the gutless Cueto - no one got hurt.

"I was in the (backstop) net with somebody kicking me from behind," Carpenter said, "... I was held down. I couldn't do anything. I wasn't throwing any punches. And we've got some guy kicking me and kicking my backup catcher in the face. He could have done some real damage. He got (LaRue) on the side of the eye, got him in his nose, got him in his face. Totally unprofessional. Unbelievable. I've never seen anything like that. I don't know where he learned to fight."

And though Carpenter was burning, I'm still laughing at this part: an adult athlete kicking during a fight, instead of squaring up like a man? Is that the best Cueto can do? Wow.

Brandon Phillips may have a word for that.