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Can you say knocked out? I don't think they should ban court storming for that. I like the court storming, because I did it once  , it let's fans get into the action of the victory.. I mean the Florida player was probably upset and mad because uh..they were just upset by Vanderbilt..and he unleashed his anger... Let's just say that the Florida player belongs to the dark side of the force.  
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He should be arrested for that. Although I didnt see the fan hit or push him first doesnt mean he didnt.
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Court storming needs outlawed, but doesn't excuse the Florida player that is caught punching this dumb fan out IMO.
Court stroming is outlawed but what are they going to do arrest 5,000 people?
Thats was a punk move by the Florida player and he should be charged with assault. You cant just go through a crowd punching people because somebody bumped into you and you are upset because you just lost a game.
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I've watch it 6 times now, and don't see anyone punch anyone....I see the Florida player, although mostly obscured by fans, until he breaks through and is running off the court. who does he hit?
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toward the end when they go to the overhead view, it's in the final couple seconds at the very far left of the screen. I had to watch it half a dozen times to find it too.
I don't think he was justified in punching the kid because he was pretty much out of the melee when he did it. I can also understand why an athlete would feel threatened if he was stuck in the middle of 3000 opposing fans....
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ahh ok, I see it now, jeez, nothing like showing 25 seconds of useless video and 3 seconds of pertinent info eh?
Looked like a reporter of someone was coming up to him and ask him questions, then the other guy came charging in between them, maybe intentionally, maybe accidentally, can't really tell.
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he probably did feel threatened but the kid was just running to the center of the crowd... he ran into the player and then the player swung on him. The kid probably didn't even see it comming.
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he probably did feel threatened but the kid was just running to the center of the crowd... he ran into the player and then the player swung on him. The kid probably didn't even see it comming.
The player definitely has to remain under control... but so do the fans.
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The guy in the yellow shirt pushed him and then some other guy ran right into him. I prob would have jacked him too.
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Update: SEC Fines Vanderbilt For Post-Celebration In Gators Game
February 20, 2007 5:56 a.m. EST
Todd Sikorski - All Headline News Sports Reporter
Gainesville, FL (AHN) - The Vanderbilt athletic department took a hit on Monday as SEC Commissioner Mike Slive fined the school $25,000 because of its letting fans storm the basketball court after Vandy's stunning upset of the Florida Gators this past Saturday. The fine was high because the school was previously fined for a similar incident back in 2005.
The previous incident happened after fans ran onto the court after a win over Wichita State in a NIT game.
Vanderbilt's head coach Kevin Stallings understood the fine because of the problems that could have occurred if his fans celebrated on the court a little too vigorously.
"I'm probably against that as much as anybody can be," he told AP. "Unfortunately, it's something that happened. I don't like the situation that it puts our players in, particularly players for opposing teams."
While the SEC took care of the Vanderbilt situation, it did not do anything about Gators guard Brandon Powell who allegedly threw a punch during the post-game celebration.
The SEC was reviewing footage of the possible altercation on Monday. If Powell is thought to be at fault, he could get suspended.
Florida Gators coach Billy Donovan defended his player on Monday though.
"I think (Powell) kind of got hit from the front and obviously used his hands to defend himself and get out of there," he told AP. "
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Gator fan or not......players should be able to defend themself when threatened. Being in the middle of hundreds of people getting in your face is being put in a position of jeopardy. Especially when he was where he was supposed to be, on the court trying to get to the locker room.
I don't think it would be hard for anyone to assume Powell was being pushed and jostled more than a few times in this ordeal.
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"I think (Powell) kind of got hit from the front and obviously used his hands to defend himself and get out of there," he told AP. "
Peen I don't mind the fine as long as they are consistent with it... but the above quote, from what I can see in the video, is wrong. He may have been pushed or jostled but he didn't "use his hands to defend himself".. he made a fist, cocked his arm, and punched the kid in the head..... at least that's the way it looks to me...
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LOL...that footage is from pretty far away, in fact, I'd have to say if that was a punch, he should be fighting Tyson.. I looks more like he used his arms to push the person away, and their own momentum carried them that far.
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Being in the middle of hundreds of people getting in your face is being put in a position of jeopardy. Especially when he was where he was supposed to be, on the court trying to get to the locker room.
...and the fans were where they shouldn't have been, on the court. The fan should take it like a man.
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Ok, I watched the bottom link 3 or 4 more times. I'm convinced what happened was that the dude in the yellow shoves the player a bit and then he bumps shoulders with the other kid walking toward him. He then punches the kid in the back of the head. You can see his elbow [censored] back, it's pretty obvious.
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That's using your hands to defend yourself is it not?  No question the coach is going to put things in terms that help his player. Bottom line is after really seeing by reading your post on where and when to watch...Powell was shoved by the guy in yellow, and then the guy who got decked jumped into him. The player was trying to get to his locker. If players can't run into stands, then it is reasonable to hold that fans can't run onto playing fields. Did he feel a threat? Was he trying to get to the locker? Had he been pushed prior to the incident? Had he been screamed at? Had opposing fans interfered with his ability to leave the playing surface? If he can answer yes to those questions, he had every right to do what he did. And again.....my being a Gator fan has nothing to do with my view. I can honestly say that.
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The player was trying to get to his locker. If players can't run into stands, then it is reasonable to hold that fans can't run onto playing fields.
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If he can answer yes to those questions, he had every right to do what he did.
Not really.. fans rush the court or the field all the time, and I'm sure a lot of this happens every time where opposing players get hung up in the melee... seldom does it come to a player punching a fan in the back of the head... I think he would have to prove that something completely out of the ordinary happened before I could justify what he did in my mind.
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I think these kids should be able to defend themselves too. What i thought was worse about this game was when the Noah kid tried to take the ball from the coach....C'mon this is not a pick-up game in some open gym. Have some class.
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I think these kids should be able to defend themselves too.
As do I... I just don't see anything in the video footage, that required him to defend himself.
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Is the offense for entering a playing surface criminal trespass? I believe it is but I'm not sure.
If it is, then the first lawless action led to the hit. It wouldn't be considered assault if indeed the infraction of the fan occured first which was criminal trespass.
Reminds me of a game I was watching a long time ago where a fan ran onto a football field and ran by a player who stuck out a stiff arm and dropped the fan to the ground, who was promptly carried off, and then the game continued on.
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I can't opent eh video footage. That is why I did nto go to much into the punch. I have just seen them before. These fans talk smack all game long, then run out there stil talking smack....acting like they want a piece of some of these player (you know the tough guy act) then when a player breaks and smacks one of them they all cry foul. All of this is my views on college athletics...these guys are not (well they are not supposed to be) paid professionals and they certianly have a breaking point....there are a lot of fans that do not understand this.
I did not see this particular incident go down, so I don't know I am not really judging eaither way, but the stuff with Noah and the Vandy coach I did see and it made me sick. Just out of respect for adults and the game he should not act like that and should be punished in some way.
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I gotta come down on your side of this one. I don't think it was needed, however it is very understandable. The fact is if the fans stayed in the stands where they belonged he would never have been put in this difficult position.
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then when a player breaks and smacks one of them they all cry foul.
As they should.. sorry, no amount of taunting should get a fan smacked unless it is actual threats of physical violence.. that fan can yell that Florida sucks and that they aren't number one and that they need to get out of Vanderbilt's house... they can yell all of that they want and the Florida player needs to just walk off the court and take it.
And if these players don't want taunted by the fans, then maybe they need to consider their own actions on the court first... the hanging on the rin, flexing the muscles, bad-ass faces at the crowd after a dunk, chest pumping and what not. Sorry, if players are going to act like prima donnas, then they need to be able to take it when opposing fans give it back.
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The kid was in the middle of a mob. Mob rules apply, and I don't personally don't blame him for the roundhouse blow. The Universities need to control the crowd, and protect the participants from the mob. I know kids want to celebrate, but safety should be paramount and not enough is being done, to discourage the storming. IMO.
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Once the fan enters the court, he's fair game. I felt this way after the palace fiasco, and the same way here.
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Once the fan enters the court, he's fair game. I felt this way after the palace fiasco, and the same way here.
If you jump in the ring, expect to be knocked out.
I would say that is true DURING the game. The game was over, it was celebration time... NEWSFLASH to Florida, when an unranked team beats the #1 team, the fans rush the court.... it happens every freakin' time. A fan getting punched in the head however, does NOT happen every time. Which is why I said what I said above... unless something completely out of the ordinary happened to this player, then his actions are unjustified.
Now if folks want to debate whether or not rushing the court should be acceptable, then fine, we can debate that... but the fact in the real world is that it happens all the time so players should expect it.
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The guy in the yellow shirt pushed him and then some other guy ran right into him. I prob would have jacked him too.
I agree somewhat. I watched it a ton of times and saw the same thing. The player is trying to leave the court and then some dude in the yellow shirt pushes him in the back from behind pretty hard (not crazy hard but you can see his neck snap a little). So the player turns around and punches the fan he thinks just pushed him. That's what I saw.
- Was he right to throw the punch? No
- Was the yellow shirted fan right to push the player in the back? No
- What was the other fan doing in the guys face before the punch? Who knows
I've seen fans get in the opposing players face so many times. Who knows if the player gets pushed in the back and then the guy who got hit comes charging the player laughing at him.....the player thinks he pushed him and his heckling him too. Most guys on here would pummel the guy too....that is, if that's what happened.
I think the fans shouldn't be allowed onto the court for this very reason. They taunt the losing players and sooner or later something very bad is going to happen (a full riot is bound to happen).
Most fans just celebrate with the winning players, some do it just because they could get on TV, and a few do it to hassle the other players. These are the same fans that run to the opposing teams message board and talk smack after their team wins. These fans don't care about winning....they care about making others feel bad about losing. I knew a guy that purposely watched game 4 of the 2005 World Series in Wrigelyville just so he can run around Wrigley Field and scream and party about how his Sox won and the Cubs didn't. Such an inferiority complex! I would care less about where or what the Pittsburgh fans think about the Browns winning the Super Bowl. I'd be partying with my friends or talking about it here.
Anyway....the fans shouldn't storm the court until security lets the opposing team into the locker room. Even then I'd be scared something will eventually happen.
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Then we just see different things... the push from the guy in the yellow looks worse in slow motion than in the original.. but the player isn't really phased by it..... he then takes 4 or 5 steps before bumping the second guy, I don't think the two things are related.... what I did was this.. if you view the floor level shot of the guy in the yellow, then it switches to the overhead shot... look how far away the guy in the yellow is at that point.. there is obviously a short time lapse there where the player keeps walking...
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I think we can all agree on one thing....the above video is about the same as the Zapruder film. It shows a lot of evidence but doesn't tell the whole story. I can't really tell what is exactly happening. I had to watch it a few times before I could find the punch from the wide angle.
Regardless, the player and the two fans should be in that situation to begin with. Yes, in a perfect world the fans can storm the court, the players should be able to keep their hands to themselves and the fans shouldn't try provoking the players. But we don't live in a....you get the idea.
The NCAA should protect the fans, players and coaches from these situations. They're dangerous and its only a matter of time before something really bad happens.
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Regardless, the player and the two fans should be in that situation to begin with. Yes, in a perfect world the fans can storm the court, the players should be able to keep their hands to themselves and the fans shouldn't try provoking the players. But we don't live in a....you get the idea.
Even in the imperfect world where we live, it still happens without incident a hundred times a year....
So the question is, becasue of a very select few incidences, do we clamp down on all post game celebrations on the floor or not?
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So the question is, becasue of a very select few incidences, do we clamp down on all post game celebrations on the floor or not?
Well, the "a few bad apples..." phrase comes into play here. Can there be a fun, violence-free post-game storming of the court/field? Yes, its possible. Are you and the NCAA willing to keep playing the odds until something tragic happens? I think the chance that any of those can become a horrible riot outweighs good ones. The NCAA has to protect the players, fans, coaches, field crew and media.
I think storming the court should be banned. The NFL, MLB, NBA (well, unless you're at a Piston game), and the NHL don't let fans enter the playing field after a big win and the fans find a way to celebrate. I don't see why the fans of college sports need to enter the field. Why is this considered a right?
Tradition isn't a good enough excuse. It was tradition that the Big Ten champ would play the Pac-10 champ in the Rose Bowl every year, that "tradition" is gone.
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Finally, oh wow that looks like it hurt.
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ok looking at all the different angles and how much he had been pushed... I probably would have knocked someone out too... he was getting shoved a lot and he was just tryin to get back to the locker room. it seemed like the pushes were getting worse and worse as they went... I don't think he should get in any trouble at all b/c if I was him... I'm sure I would feel threatened.
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The NFL, MLB, NBA (well, unless you're at a Piston game), and the NHL don't let fans enter the playing field after a big win and the fans find a way to celebrate. I don't see why the fans of college sports need to enter the field. Why is this considered a right?
I don't know that it's considered a "right"... it's just something that has always happened. And yes, I would contend that college is different from the pros, the students, who are the ones who storm the court/field, are more connected to the team than pro fans are.... at least that's how I see it.
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Yeah, I guess my "its a right" comment came from hearing people complain on ESPN radio that this one incident will ruin all their future chances at storming the court. Like, because of this one player, I'm now forbidden to enjoy running on the court. As if he was expecting that the next time he went to a college game. I'm questioning why this random fan thinks he should expect that in the future. Why storm the court? If they can't in the future will the fans sulk home after beating the #1 team in the country and think, "What would have been had I been able to jump in front of the opposing teams coach and mock him after such a historic win. Too bad." --- I know not all fans would do that but still..... ...and of course, its always for the children.
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At Maryland I was never a big fan of storming the court.. I preferred to get out of the arena while others did it so I could get to the bars before the lines got long from the other 8000 people that were jumping around like morons on the court.....
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Before the Kentucky-Florida game last week, one of the big topics was if the students should storm the court if we had beaten Florida. The consensus was that if we had beaten Florida, and stormed the court, it was proof that Tubby needed replaced. UNC, Kentucky, UCLA should never storm the court. You don't give the opponent that much credit in your own house.
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LOL.. I was so happy last week when Maryland beat Duke that they didn't storm the court. It was Duke's 4th loss in a row...
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