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This story broke my heart this morning. Can you even begin to imagine what was going through that poor kids head as he was walking around hungry, dehydrated, and completely lost? I gave my daughter an extra big hug when I left for work this morning and put a child door handle lock on our front door. http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/arizona.missing.toddler/index.html?npt=NP1(CNN) -- A 2-year-old who went missing from his home in Dewey, Arizona, on Monday night was found dead Wednesday, according to the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office. The body of Emmett Trapp was found by search and rescue personnel at 11:30 a.m. about one mile from his home, lying in a muddy pit once used to collect waste products from a former mining site. "We are just devastated by the loss of this little boy," sheriff's spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn said. The area where his body was found on the former Iron King Mine site is being treated as a crime scene, which the sheriff's office described as "common protocol." The cause of death appears to be a result of spending more than 24 hours exposed to Arizona's elements, Sgt. Jeff Newnum said. An autopsy was scheduled to be performed later Wednesday, he said. He added that there was "no foul play at Emmett's body that would suggest something was awry." Video: Missing 2-year-old found dead in mud Video: Two tots missing from same area RELATED TOPICS Missing Children Arizona Emmett was the second 2-year-old boy to go missing from Yavapai County in 10 days. His case is believed to be unrelated to the disappearance of Sylar Newton -- another 2-year-old who went missing July 25 from a camping site in Rimrock and is presumed dead, D'Evelyn said Tuesday. Emmett was reported missing by his mother at 8 p.m. Monday, the sheriff's office said in a news release. The mother told authorities that she and her four children were at their home in the Dewey-Humboldt area, about 80 miles north of Phoenix. When the mother awoke from a nap Monday evening, Emmett -- last seen wearing a pajama top, diaper and no shoes -- was missing. The family dog had also apparently wandered off with Emmett, but returned when called. The mother told police she searched around the home and immediate area without success. Newnum said the door to the house was unlocked at the time of Emmett's disappearance, and it appears the boy walked as many four miles, crossing hilly, rough terrain, before he was found. Newnum credited the muddy terrain in the area with helping find Emmett. He said the small footprints around the site indicate the boy "was by himself."
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and it appears the boy walked as many four miles, crossing hilly, rough terrain, before he was found.
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Man that is so very sad...
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and it appears the boy walked as many four miles, crossing hilly, rough terrain, before he was found.
That is tough to believe .
not really. if he started off on an 'adventure' for himself and then once the house was out of site got lost and panicked, i could see it happening.
man, horrible story. i'm not going to give my wife such a hard time for the chain latch she requires on all doors leading to the outside in our home anymore.
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When the mother awoke from a nap Monday evening,
Here is part of the problem.You can't let little ones out of your sight for a minute,let alone sleeping.I don't know how old the other kids were,but obviously not old enough to be babysitting.
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When the mother awoke from a nap Monday evening,
Here is part of the problem.You can't let little ones out of your sight for a minute,let alone sleeping.I don't know how old the other kids were,but obviously not old enough to be babysitting.
Stories like this just break my heart.
I'm not going to crucify a mother for falling asleep. Taking care of a youngster is not an easy task and if the child wasn't sleeping through the night yet, we don't know how much sleep she was getting.
She may have taken a nap WITH her child and the child woke up and went out the front door (and it may have been locked, my 2 year old can unlock doors).
That is way too harsh without having any details.
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Newnum said the door to the house was unlocked at the time of Emmett's disappearance
Not being harsh,just reading what is reported and making my decision.The door was unlocked.
I watch my 1 1/2 year old and 4 year old grand daughters (by myself) all the time and the last thing I would do is go to sleep and them up running around the house period,even with the doors locked.
If I have to go to the bathroom for just a minute,I put a putty knife in the top of the door trim so there is no way the doors can be opened.
Anyone that cares for kids knows you can't take your eyes off them for a minute.
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If I were so tired that I needed a nap while my two year old ran amok in the house, I would call a sitter to let me sleep in peace. At least I think that's what I would do.
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I have a 2 year old at home, and I agree. It is a bad idea to turn your back on them for one second. Mine can not only unlock and open doors, she can also undo the dead bolt.
Because of this, we had to go out and buy these child safety door knob things. Basically it eliminates her ability to turn the knob on any door it is attached to. It is a godsend.
As far as the mom falling asleep. While I agree it was careless, the bottom line is things happen. If you are lying on the couch and doze off for a minute without realizing it, what can you do? The key is, you have to safeguard your residence from these type of possibilites. Its obvious that the kid knew how to get out of the house, and was obviously adventurous. That in itself is a good enough reason to make sure they are unable to leave.
This is an unfortunate accident, but honestly one that could happen to anyone that got careless for a day.
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She has 3 other kids, the oldest (unless she has pumped them out one after another has to be at least 6 or 7... I have a 7 year old daughter. She is by no means able to babysit. But if I had a toddler I would trust that I could go lay down on the couch and take a nap for an hour and fully expect my 7 year old to keep the toddler from hurting him/herself and keep them from wondering away.
But I would have to specifically tell the 7 year old that this was her job.. it's not something she would instinctively do unless I told her. My guess is the woman fell asleep and didn't tell anybody to watch the baby..
It's tragic but I do believe this falls into the category of unfortunate events...
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Oh, I do, too. I'm not blaming the mom. Just saying that if I knew I needed to rest, I would hope I had the foresight to call over a sitter...for all the kids. It's a sad story and I feel for the entire family. I can't imagine the guilt she will always carry.
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Oh, I do, too. I'm not blaming the mom. Just saying that if I knew I needed to rest, I would hope I had the foresight to call over a sitter...for all the kids. It's a sad story and I feel for the entire family. I can't imagine the guilt she will always carry.
my wife takes a nap with my 2 kids nearly everyday (she is pregnant and needs the extra rest).
so, she needs to call a sitter to watch the bedroom door in case it opens?
this is an extremely unfortunate case (and the reason, as mentioned, my wife has put chain locks high up on all doors leading outside), but there is not nearly enough evidence in this little write-up to claim any negligence, which is what many are implying here.
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What are you getting all snippy with me for? I said, IF I KNEW I NEEDED TO REST, I WOULD CALL A SITTER. I'm not talking about napping WITH the child or having higher locks on the doors for safety.
I'm talking about when the kids are wide awake and I'm not. Sheesh.
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not meant to be snippy, sorry if it came off that way.
merely stating there isn't nearly enough in this article to infer about the mom.
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I agree with you. And, those that are blaming her need to back off a bit.
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What are you getting all snippy with me for? I said, IF I KNEW I NEEDED TO REST, I WOULD CALL A SITTER. I'm not talking about napping WITH the child or having higher locks on the doors for safety.
I'm talking about when the kids are wide awake and I'm not. Sheesh.
No offense to you Michelle,but I think people who dont have kids dont really have a grasp on what it is really like and this women has 4 of them. Granted some precautions could have/should have been taken like simply locking the door,but sometimes things happen. Especially having 4 kids coming in and out,playing in the yard and what not. Calling a sitter everytime you doze off on the couch or whatever is pretty inpracticle.
When my son was little, maybe about 2. Me and him laid down on the futon in the living room,watching Barney or something, and we both dozed off. I awoke to hearing him somewhere screaming, he had woekn up and gotten up off the futon and went to the back door,which led to the outside door or the basement steps. The inside back door was unlocked,because someone had left it unlocked for some reason, and he went went through it and went down the steps into the basement. Once he got down there,he got scared and panicked and started screaming for me and his mom. It scared the hell outof me,but thankfully it was just a trip into the basement and not something worse.
The point I am making is ,sometimes things happen with kids,its terrible,but that is just how it is. You can take as many precautions as possible,but sometimes that one thing that you didnt think of is what the kid finds a way to get into.
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Clearly I have been terribly misunderstood in this thread. I'll leave now...since I don't have kids or the right to have an opinion on the subject.
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Clearly I have been terribly misunderstood in this thread. I'll leave now...since I don't have kids or the right to have an opinion on the subject.
Overreact much? Nobody said you dont have the right to an opinion,but people have the right to respond to your opinion and think what you said is uninformed.
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Clearly I have been terribly misunderstood in this thread. I'll leave now...since I don't have kids or the right to have an opinion on the subject.
Overreact much? Nobody said you dont have the right to an opinion,but people have the right to respond to your opinion and think what you said is uninformed.
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It is not uninformed that I would hope I would get a sitter if I needed a nap and knew the kids needed supervision. My comment was about ME, not the mother in this story, not YOU, just me. It's what I would hope I would do to keep my kids safe in my absence.
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Clearly I have been terribly misunderstood in this thread. I'll leave now...since I don't have kids or the right to have an opinion on the subject.
Overreact much? Nobody said you dont have the right to an opinion,but people have the right to respond to your opinion and think what you said is uninformed.
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It is not uninformed that I would hope I would get a sitter if I needed a nap and knew the kids needed supervision. My comment was about ME, not the mother in this story, not YOU, just me. It's what I would hope I would do to keep my kids safe in my absence.
Thats fine, and I am telling you as someone who actually has kids that,that is pretty inpractical. Its something that sounds good,but highly inpractical in real life.
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contact alarms and high locks are great but if you are going to nap or leave a child unattended there are just as many ways for a child to hurt themselves INSIDE the house as there are if they get out.. glass, knives in drawers, chemicals, steps, drowning in a toilet, lighters and matches, etc...
It would be up to you.. it would depend on how long you were going to nap, but more importantly only you know your kids and what you think they can handle.. if you thought a babysitter was best and that gave you peace of mind, then by all means get a babysitter.... heck if you didn't have peace of mind you probably couldn't sleep anyway.
This is another of my thoughts so people can take it for what its worth, especially those who do not have kids and imagine what they would do if they had one..... this was her fourth kid. I don't know how to say this any other way than total honesty but once you've had a couple, you tend to lighten up and relax a bit. You aren't nearly as paranoid following the later kids around as you were with the first one.. You aren't nearly as uptight about child locks and padded corners and those door knob things on the closets that you have to squeeze and the little things that go in electrical outlets that are hard to get out..... you become much less anal about all of that stuff with each child..... it's just a fact and anybody that has multiple kids will tell you that.
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I know you tend to get less anal with each kid, and I understand that. I was simply stating that if I KNEW I needed a nap, I would try my best to get some help supervising my children. If I just fall asleep on the couch by accident, well, that's another issue entirely. Again, I am not blaming this woman. Hell, I don't like to blame people that forget their kids are in the hot car. I understand that things can get out of your control, and quickly, with kids. Anyway, it always kills me when people throw out the "you shouldn't talk since you don't have kids...you have no idea" comments. Just two nights ago a friend called me for advice on her 15 year old daughter...and she even said it worked. 
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This is another of my thoughts so people can take it for what its worth, especially those who do not have kids and imagine what they would do if they had one..... this was her fourth kid. I don't know how to say this any other way than total honesty but once you've had a couple, you tend to lighten up and relax a bit. You aren't nearly as paranoid following the later kids around as you were with the first one.. You aren't nearly as uptight about child locks and padded corners and those door knob things on the closets that you have to squeeze and the little things that go in electrical outlets that are hard to get out..... you become much less anal about all of that stuff with each child..... it's just a fact and anybody that has multiple kids will tell you that.
You are absolutly right on that, and that is all I meant when I said about people who dont have kids not necessarily understanding something like that.
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I feel so bad for the parents, This has to be killing them.
As far as blaming them ..... hell, when I was a child, I had any number of times I could have wandered off. Playing outside with friends .. (as kids did once upon a time) was our most frequent form of recreation. Not necessarily at 2 ..... but probably by 4 or 5 we were outside playing for hours.
It is not possible to watch a child 24/7.Parents go to the bathroom. They answer the door or the phone.
Damn near anything that happens could have been prevented "if only ...."
This was a horrible tragedy. Tragedies sometimes happen despite our best efforts to prevent them.
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I'm agreeing with you..  I can honestly say I've never been SOOO tired that I couldn't stay awake for my kids.. but I don't know what this woman is going through so I won't judge that... And my thoughts on what kind of parent you would be are documented.. I'd ask you to watch my kids anytime.. then I'd worry for your sanity because my 7 year girl has my sarcasm, my wit, only she's twice as smart, and not nearly as kind.. I pity the guy that dates her.
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Just to be REAL clear, I wasnt saying or implying that Michelle wouldnt be a good parent,or a great person to watch kids. I was just saying that people who dont have kids tend to sometimes be unrealistic in how things are done by parents or unrealistic in how they think they would do things if they had kids. I am sure before me and my wife had kids we were the same way. I remember one time when my wife and I were a fairly new young couple we saw a flustered mother yell at her kid who kept running away from her. Not scream like a banshee or anything like that,jut yell at the kid, who wasnt listening to her. My wife told me " I would never yell at my kids" and when I pointed out the kid was running wild on her,she told me " it wouldnt be an issue because my kids would listen to me". Ahh to be so young and Naive  KING
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Anyway, it always kills me when people throw out the "you shouldn't talk since you don't have kids...you have no idea" comments.
Oddly enough, I get told that about abortion......since I'm not a woman, I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
I get told that about the u.s. military - since I never voluntarily enlisted my opinion doesn't matter.
I'm not a minority, so I shouldn't have an opinion......yup, been told that many times - and it's always followed by "you just don't know.....".....
Many more examples, too, so join the crowd I guess.
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Anyway, it always kills me when people throw out the "you shouldn't talk since you don't have kids...you have no idea" comments.
And nobody made those comments,that just how you ran with it.
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Oddly enough, I get told that about abortion......since I'm not a woman, I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
I just want to say that if I've ever said that to you I take it back and apologize. I thought I had made clear that I believe both parties should have choices in the matter.  Don't know how exactly, just that they should.
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Oddly enough, I get told that about abortion......since I'm not a woman, I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
I just want to say that if I've ever said that to you I take it back and apologize. I thought I had made clear that I believe both parties should have choices in the matter. Don't know how exactly, just that they should.
Oh, no, you've never said anything like that to me. At least that I remember.
My post was more of a "I've been told my opinion on X doesn't matter because I'm not X".......if that makes any sense.
I'm one that believes I CAN have an opinion on gay marriage, or race, or the military, or millionaires, or welfare people, or abortion, etc ad nauseum.
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I agree. I've been told my opinion on racism is invalid because I have never experienced discrimination.. so let's get back to the original conversation about whether or not Michelle is fit to raise kids... *duck* You know I love you.. and what's her name too.
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Dog could have opened the door too.... never know.
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I agree. I've been told my opinion on racism is invalid because I have never experienced discrimination.. so let's get back to the original conversation about whether or not Michelle is fit to raise kids... *duck*
You know I love you.. and what's her name too.
Nah, Michelle's not fit to raise kids  ... but I'd let her take care my child anyday of the week.
Yeah, I love 'em both too. What are their names again?
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 I'm probably not fit to raise kids...because I would raise them much differently than a lot of kids today are being brought up. Especially parents that name their kids BABE. I mean, seriously???
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I know, what the heck were my parents thinking when they named me? Sheesh! Oh, and I agree with you about how kids are being raised today. I am determined to not raise a spoiled little brat. She will be raised much like the hubs and I were raised. She'll be very much loved and have as many advantages that we can afford, but she'll know what discipline is and be taught to show manners and respect. Heck, I don't even like it that some of our friends let her call them by their first name. I was raised that parents' friends were Mr and Mrs or Miss etc. I would never have dared to call them by their first names, at least not to their faces. I still call them Mr. and Mrs. even though most have given me the ok to use their first names. DC~Darn right no one puts me in a corner! Have my very own Johnny to rescue me and then dirty dance with me in front of my parents. (seriously, hubs name IS John). 
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What's going on in the great northwest? A lot of stories from up there lately.... Ok, let's move on to a mother who really DOES deserve some scorn and ridicule... Damascus woman secretly marries fugitive accused of molesting her daughter Published: Wednesday, August 04, 2010, 12:44 PM Rick Bella, The Oregonian A Damascus woman secretly married a man last week immediately after he was charged with sexually abusing her 7-year-old daughter. She then helped her new husband stay one step ahead of authorities, police said Wednesday. Barbara Lynn Whitehead, 41, was charged Wednesday in Clackamas County Circuit Court with perjury, witness-tampering and hindering prosecution. She is being held in the Clackamas County Jail, with bail set at $150,000. Police labeled Whitehead's new husband, 47-year-old Don Edward Smock Jr., a fugitive, and asked for the public's help in finding him. Although investigators thought Smock had fled to California, a person who saw news reports on the case spotted him Wednesday in Damascus and called 9-1-1. Smock was arrested without incident about 6 p.m. and booked into the Clackamas County Jail, according to Detective Jim Strovink, spokesman for the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office. Smock faces 45 felony counts of child-sex-related charges. Meanwhile, Whitehead's daughter was taken into custody by state Child Protective Services. "I've never seen anything like this," Strovink said. "This would appear to be a new low." Strovink said the girl was present when Whitehead and Smock secretly married in a ceremony in Colton, two hours after Smock was indicted. Then, all three drove to Portland and checked into a hotel for a weekend-long honeymoon, before Smock disappeared. Whitehead and Smock lived together in Damascus, with Whitehead's daughter from a previous relationship. In April, Detectives Brian Pearson and Mary Nunn of the sheriff's Child Abuse Team began investigating reports of child molestation. Smock immediately fled to Sacramento, police said. By late July, Pearson and Nunn uncovered enough evidence for prosecutors to review. A Clackamas County deputy district attorney then took the case to a grand jury. On July 30, Smock was indicted on 13 counts of using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct, eight counts of first-degree encouraging child sexual abuse, one count of first-degree attempted sexual abuse and 23 counts of second-degree encouraging child sexual abuse. Detectives then questioned Whitehead while looking for Smock, but apparently got little information. "Barbara Whitehead has not been cooperative with investigators throughout this criminal investigation," Strovink said. Whitehead was arrested Monday, police said. Child Protective Services agents from the Oregon Department of Human Services accompanied deputies who arrested Whitehead. The girl's condition will be evaluated to determine appropriate short- and long-term placement while in state custody. "At least the child is safe now," Strovink said. "We can only hope she will be all right." A petition to force eviction of Whitehead and Smock was filed Tuesday in Clackamas County Circuit Court. -- Rick Bella web page So the boyfriend is indicted for molesting this womans 7-year-old daughter and her response two hours later is... "Well, while we are at the courthouse we might as well get married." Great..
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It is not possible to watch a child 24/7.Parents go to the bathroom. They answer the door or the phone.
Damn near anything that happens could have been prevented "if only ...."
This was a horrible tragedy. Tragedies sometimes happen despite our best efforts to prevent them.
I agree with this, we can make every effort to ensure safety, but with kids, they can get into anything.
The mom dozed off and the young fella went on an adventure.... as michelle said, I can't imagine the guilt this woman will carry around with her forever.
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