Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085


Quote:



Shaking off Green Bay errors, Colt McCoy eagerly awaits more NFL lessons with the Browns



BEREA, Ohio -- The low point of Colt McCoy's rookie training camp?

No, not throwing two interceptions in his first NFL exhibition game Saturday in Green Bay. Those weren't fun, of course, but playing 16 snaps against the Packers made him feel like a quarterback again.

Banging his right thumb on the helmet of a teammate? No, that happens. What Cleveland quarterback hasn't done that?

No, the low point -- by far -- came on Monday when McCoy was instructed to sit out practice to give the thumb another day to heal. He stood glumly as President Mike Holmgren gave him a little pep talk from his golf cart.

"That was the first practice I ever missed," McCoy said.

Ever? At any level of football?

"Ever," he repeated.

So McCoy couldn't wait to get back on the field on Tuesday. He needed to erase the memory of the interceptions.

"You don't like to throw interceptions. But the one thing I admire about Brett Favre is the way he responds to those things. He shakes them off and keeps going," McCoy said. "For me, that's the thing I have to do. Especially in the situation that I'm in.

"I'm learning. The games are really the reps I get. I can't let something get me down. Just got to show my teammates and coaches that, 'hey, that happened, I won't make that mistake again and I'm ready to go.'"

The first interception at the end of the first half was the one that McCoy heard loads about. The Browns were in field-goal range at the Green Bay 17 with 37 seconds on the clock. On first down, McCoy and receiver Johnathan Haggerty read the coverage. Haggerty faked a slant inside and converted it to a fade route.

Haggerty was double-covered. McCoy's throw was short and easily intercepted.

"We had points [a sure field goal] on the board," said coach Eric Mangini. "We had an under [receiver] coming free. So, hit the under and move to the next play. You're not in a situation at that point where you have to take a chance to push the ball into double coverage.

"Sometimes guys want to make a play and maximize their opportunity, but in trying to make a play, you can actually make a play for [the opposition]."

After making his point, Mangini shrugged off McCoy's boo-boo.

"He has historically made good decisions in college and he's a conscientious kid. He could have been a little bit excited, a little bit nervous, a lot of confidence. All of those things," he said.

McCoy admitted he was fired up to play in Green Bay. The hallowed Lambeau Field venue is as good as it gets in the NFL. He wouldn't have been human not to feel some butterflies.

"For the most part, I felt I moved the ball and executed what was called," he said. "But, that was the first [preseason game]. It was good to get in the huddle and run more than three or four plays in a row. I've never done that [here]. I've just got to build on it and play better this week."

In his first exhibition game, McCoy completed five of 10 passes for 25 yards. He converted two third-and-long situations with scramble runs up the middle for gains of 13 and 12 yards. He was pleased with those because he recognized the coverage and took advantage of the seam left open for him.

It's all part of the learning process for the Texas Longhorn turned NFL greenhorn.

The next time he takes the field, Saturday in Cleveland Browns Stadium, McCoy will oppose his college rival from Oklahoma, Sam Bradford, the presumed savior of the St. Louis Rams and No. 1 pick of the NFL draft.

They split their two meetings in the fabled Red River Shootout, but Bradford is the one with the $50 million contract guarantee and the likely one to be behind center when the real season starts next month.

McCoy is locked in a battle with Brett Ratliff to make the Browns' roster as the No. 3 quarterback.

"A lot of people have told me it's going to be different your first year, it's going to be a struggle at times," McCoy said. "For me, I just try to stay upbeat as much as I can. Sometimes you're down. Sometimes you're discouraged. But as a leader, as the quarterback, you can't show those emotions. You've got to be the level-headed guy that's ready to work every day."

That's where McCoy was on Tuesday, back at work. After two hours of practice, and another 30 minutes of signing autographs, McCoy trudged off the field carrying the shoulder pads belonging to Jerome Harrison.

He was smiling and feeling good again.






http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/08/shaking_off_green_bay_errors_c.html

I know that opinions vary on McCoy, but you gotta love this kids attitude. Worst thing for him is that he's NEVER, EVER missed a practice and at the end of practice, he carried Harrisons pads back in.

He's the kinda kid I wanna see make it big in the NFL....


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,246
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,246
FYI, this was already posted in the "Camp Articles" thread. What the heck are you trying to do?


I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,117
Legend
Online
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,117
Loved the kid's attitude. He does not walk on the Erie Pond yet. I hope he stays motivated and focused. Good stuff to read D-shot. Go Browns!


"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Quote:

McCoy is locked in a battle with Brett Ratliff to make the Browns' roster as the No. 3 quarterback.



LOL.. ok, I'm taking all comers who want to bet that McCoy is not on the roster this fall.


yebat' Putin
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,864
BpG Offline
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,864
You now who else had a great "attitude".




Brady Quinn

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Quote:

You now who else had a great "attitude".




Brady Quinn



Not so sure about that. Quinn seemed a lot more full of himself a little more annointed.. a lot less genuine.


yebat' Putin
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 99
O
Practice Squad
Offline
Practice Squad
O
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 99
Don't really expect a lot from McCoy, think he might make a decent back-up some day, if injuries don't cut his time short. Only time will tell the story, great attitude, just lacking on the physical side of things.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Quote:

Don't really expect a lot from McCoy, think he might make a decent back-up some day, if injuries don't cut his time short. Only time will tell the story, great attitude, just lacking on the physical side of things.




I agree.. but I hope I'm wrong.

I think we will draft a QB high in the draft within the next 2-3 years... I think Delhomme is a Brown for atleast 2 years, and at some point just inserting a rookie QB (probably 1st round) will be possible b/c he will have talent around him.


[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Quote:

Quote:

Don't really expect a lot from McCoy, think he might make a decent back-up some day, if injuries don't cut his time short. Only time will tell the story, great attitude, just lacking on the physical side of things.




I agree.. but I hope I'm wrong.

I think we will draft a QB high in the draft within the next 2-3 years... I think Delhomme is a Brown for atleast 2 years, and at some point just inserting a rookie QB (probably 1st round) will be possible b/c he will have talent around him.




Like what Baltimore did with Joe Flacco. Late round pick QB on a running team with a good defense.

Hopefully McCoy makes that not necessary.....but he was a 3rd rounder for a reason.


[Linked Image]


“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

FYI, this was already posted in the "Camp Articles" thread. What the heck are you trying to do?




Whoops,, THat thread is getting pretty long so I guess it's just that I missed it.. Refs,, if you think it needs to go, feel free.. Sorry bout that.


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

You now who else had a great "attitude".




Brady Quinn




Quinn seemed to come in with a sense of entitlement.. arrogance,, he's nothing like McCoy...


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,210
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,210
Ummm ... Flacco was 1st rounder. Ratbirds traded up into the end of the First to pick him.


LIbertatem Defendimus!!

2010 Dawgtalkers NCAA Bracket Challenge Champ!!
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Quote:

Ummm ... Flacco was 1st rounder. Ratbirds traded up into the end of the First to pick him.




Yes, I meant to say "late 1st round pick".


[Linked Image]


“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
More like "mid 1st round pick" as he went 18th overall.

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
I am pulling for the youngster to bounce back and at least have a decent showing against the Rams.

You have to think McCoy wants to have a good showing against Bradford, because he knows like everyone else that he will be compared to Bradford by the media,..... local and national, even though he won't be playing with the one's as will Bradford.


[Linked Image]

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,218
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,218
I'm not pulling for him at all... he's a 3rd string QB. If he makes it, so be it - if not, we'll get another. Hopefully, eventually, we'll get someone that sticks.
Of course, he's a member of the BROWNS, so I want him to do well in that regard as the better he does, the more it is likely to benefit us long term, but beyond that I don't really care at all.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,517
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,517
Quote:

I'm not pulling for him at all... he's a 3rd string QB. If he makes it, so be it - if not, we'll get another. Hopefully, eventually, we'll get someone that sticks.
Of course, he's a member of the BROWNS, so I want him to do well in that regard as the better he does, the more it is likely to benefit us long term, but beyond that I don't really care at all.




ouch. lol.

Last edited by Buckeyed11; 08/18/10 01:52 PM.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234
B
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
B
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234
Quote:

Of course, he's a member of the BROWNS, so I want him to do well in that regard as the better he does, the more it is likely to benefit us long term, but beyond that I don't really care at all.




So you ARE pulling for him just as much as everyone else here.

I don't think people here are pulling for him because they're his friend or relative or thinks he's cute or something.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,218
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 28,218
Nah, no ouch... I'm just literally not counting on him to be anything at all. I am not viewing him as our savior, I am not looking at him as the next camp superstar, I am not thinking or hoping he's going to be much of anything.


I'm simply viewing it as I see it: he's a kid that we drafted that is 3rd on the depth chart - there isn't much to get excited about. I think it's just a matter of keeping perspective.


If he were a WR that we took in the 3rd round and was stuck at 3rd string (Travis Wilson) - we'd be crucifying him. However, he's a QB from a football factory, so folks are tending to go gaga.

Just ignore him and if he actually gets it and can take a starting role, we're pleasantly surprised... if not (and the odds do favor that), then its no sweat, we don't even miss a beat, much less miss him.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,517
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,517
I don't think fans are going gaga over him. I don't know where Grossi got that there was a "chorus" for him either. I take the same position as you, Purp. I was just saying ouch because I would have not said it in those exact words.

The only time I've ever clamored for the backup is when our backup was Holcomb. I learned my lesson in that QB debacle. If McCoy amounts to something, great. If not, oh well. We have Wallace and Delhomme for the next 2 years at least.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
I get what you're saying and I'd say I feel the same way.

I had hope for Charlie, Luke, Derrek, and Brady when we got them. I daydreamed about how they were going to be the next Cleveland hero. For Colt, meh. I'll root for him to be that but I don't really have the same "expectations".


[Linked Image]


“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

Nah, no ouch... I'm just literally not counting on him to be anything at all. I am not viewing him as our savior, I am not looking at him as the next camp superstar, I am not thinking or hoping he's going to be much of anything.





I was referring to the kinda kid he seems to be,, he's the kinda kid I want to see succeed..


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Quote:

I'm not pulling for him at all... he's a 3rd string QB. If he makes it, so be it - if not, we'll get another. Hopefully, eventually, we'll get someone that sticks.
Of course, he's a member of the BROWNS, so I want him to do well in that regard as the better he does, the more it is likely to benefit us long term, but beyond that I don't really care at all.




I have no expectations as far as McCoy being some great savor, but I am pulling for him to show that at the very least he deserves a roster spot and the pick was not a total waste.

IMO,..... If McCoy can not beat out Ratliff for our #3 QB position, then it would have been a wasted pick.


[Linked Image]

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
I am pulling for him. Just because we've gotten burned so many times in the past doesn't mean we should stop hoping one day one of these QB's we've drafted will be good.

If you think about it, the odds are on our side. Couch, Frye, Anderson, and Quinn all failed that means we should get our guy now right?

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,517
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,517
When I daydream, I daydream about Cribbs lining up at QB and having a rocket arm with 100% accuracy. I daydream about putting a big billboard of him on the side of the building on ontario. but its a daydream since he can't really throw. lol.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Quote:

If you think about it, the odds are on our side. Couch, Frye, Anderson, and Quinn all failed that means we should get our guy now right?




Tell that to Bears fans. They haven't had a good QB since.....uhhhh......hrmmm? Cutler isn't a savior. He's a non-winning gun-slinger with a prima donna attitude.

Funny fact, Cutler hasn't had a winning season since high school.


[Linked Image]


“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

Quote:

If you think about it, the odds are on our side. Couch, Frye, Anderson, and Quinn all failed that means we should get our guy now right?




Tell that to Bears fans. They haven't had a good QB since.....uhhhh......hrmmm? Cutler isn't a savior. He's a non-winning gun-slinger with a prima donna attitude.

Funny fact, Cutler hasn't had a winning season since high school.




they haven't had a good QB since Orton and before that, maybe Jim McMahon. what did they do.. Traded him for Cutler and some picks.


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,086
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,086
I guess we've gotten burned w/ this QB carousel here b/c the board finally isn't calling a draft pick the next Kosar...

Which is surprising to me. I figured there would be more McCoy pimps around here. There's plenty at training camp!



[Linked Image from i45.tinypic.com]
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Wouldn't you rather have Cutler over any of the guys we've had the past 11 seasons (and probably the upcoming one too)? I would.

The last time the Bears had a good consistent QB (before Cutler) was Jim McMahon and he last played for them in 1988. Or last guy was either Testaverde (1995) or Kosar (1991). So we have them beat, but not by much.

(Don't forget they have also been to two Super Bowls.)

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

I guess we've gotten burned w/ this QB carousel here b/c the board finally isn't calling a draft pick the next Kosar...

Which is surprising to me. I figured there would be more McCoy pimps around here. There's plenty at training camp!






LOL I don't think anyone wants to pimp any QB these days...


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

Wouldn't you rather have Cutler over any of the guys we've had the past 11 seasons (and probably the upcoming one too)? I would.

The last time the Bears had a good consistent QB (before Cutler) was Jim McMahon and he last played for them in 1988. Or last guy was either Testaverde (1995) or Kosar (1991). So we have them beat, but not by much.

(Don't forget they have also been to two Super Bowls.)




You are forgetting Orton and there was one other guy that when healthy was decent for them, but he couldn't stay healthy.. the last SB they went to, he took them there I think...

EDIT: Rex Grossman is the QB I was thinking of.

Last edited by Damanshot; 08/18/10 03:43 PM.

#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
I've been telling my buddies that if we don't have to pass the ball one time all year we might be pretty good.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

I've been telling my buddies that if we don't have to pass the ball one time all year we might be pretty good.




why? both Delhomme and Wallace looked pretty decent last saturday against a pretty well respected D...

I think (hope) you are underestimating Delhomme and Wallace..


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545
Legend
Online
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545
I hope that McCoy, just like every other member of the Browns team, will become an All Pro level performer,and will be with this team through several Super Bowl appearances and wins.

However, McCoy does have a lot of physical things (arm, size) going against him, and it would be a surprise to me if he were able to overcome them to become a quality starter.

I hope for it .... but I'm not counting on it.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
I remembered Orton and Grossman.

Oron is good, not great. He's not a difference maker (as long as we're talking about a leader, face of the franchise, a winner....Bernie). If he was worth anything, Denver wouldn't have traded up in the draft to get Tebow. He's average. I'd still take Orton over some of the clowns we've had recently....but he's no super star.

Grossman was a disaster. He got to the Super Bowl with their defense and a lucky NFC title game. There's a reason why he's been a backup after Chicago moved on without him.

And yes, I'd probably take Cutler over what we have now but I'd be worried about him. He's got the arm but he's not a winner.


[Linked Image]


“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
What we can say, and have said, is that he's a good guy, who is very hard working, willing to ask questions, has good mobility and accuracy.

Players have overcome size and arm strength issues before. We all know about Drew Brees, but that's a pretty unrealistic expectation. But I would be fine if he had a career like Doug Flutie (73% career winning percentage) or Jeff Garcia (50% career winning percentage but had good years for bad teams).

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 43,085
Quote:

I hope that McCoy, just like every other member of the Browns team, will become an All Pro level performer,and will be with this team through several Super Bowl appearances and wins.

However, McCoy does have a lot of physical things (arm, size) going against him, and it would be a surprise to me if he were able to overcome them to become a quality starter.

I hope for it .... but I'm not counting on it.




Again with the size thing, he's within an inch of Delhomme and within a few pounds of delhomme..,

Farve is 6-2, 222lbs... McCoy is 6-2 210. I'd bet you that Favre was about the same weight when he came out of college..

So I don't think there is enough of a difference to claim that size is an issue.


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
C
Legend
Offline
Legend
C
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
NFL.com's draft card has him at 6'1" and those are the measurements taken from the combine, his most recent/accurate measurements.

I didn't even realize he was that tall. His weight is a non issue to me as he looks to be built pretty good.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545
Legend
Online
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,545
There's a huge difference between college accuracy and NFL accuracy.


McCoy seems like a good kid. I hope he makes it, and succeeds. I also hope that we have plans in place in case he doesn't. (as is the most likely senario for a 3rd round QB)

Some players overcome size and srength issues. Most do not. There is a reason that the ones who do stand out so much ..... and it's because they are rare. It's like using Tom Brady as an example that a 6th round QB can succeed. Sure ... he can ...... but almost all will fail.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,660
I do not think Colts lack of height was the biggest reason why he wasn't drafted until the end of the 3rd round.
He is not much shorter then Delhomme.
He does have very small hands and that could be a problem.

Most Scouts questioned his arm strength and because the system he played in, thought his numbers were tainted.


[Linked Image]

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum McCoy shakes off bad play/injury

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5