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NFL.com's draft card has him at 6'1" and those are the measurements taken from the combine, his most recent/accurate measurements.
I didn't even realize he was that tall. His weight is a non issue to me as he looks to be built pretty good.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
ESPN has him at 6-2...
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster.html
The Browns have him at 6-1 but they also have him at 216 lbs.
I don't see why 1 inch or a few pounds make a hill of difference. 20 pounds, 3 or 4 inches,, sure,, maybe..
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McCoy seems like a good kid. I hope he makes it, and succeeds. I also hope that we have plans in place in case he doesn't. (as is the most likely senario for a 3rd round QB)
I agree with this. But the hard part is determining whether or not the player, in this case McCoy, is good enough without him ever taking any meaningful snaps in a real game.
Also, next year is loaded with QB prospects (Locker, Ponder, Devlin, Mallett, Keenum, and Luck). Hopefully we won't be drafting too early in the draft, but either way it seem like if we want a QB in next year's draft it won't be too hard to get one.
For me, I hope that our staff determines we can go ahead with McCoy and we can focus on other positions.
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McCoy seems like a good kid. I hope he makes it, and succeeds. I also hope that we have plans in place in case he doesn't. (as is the most likely senario for a 3rd round QB)
I agree with this. But the hard part is determining whether or not the player, in this case McCoy, is good enough without him ever taking any meaningful snaps in a real game.
Also, next year is loaded with QB prospects (Locker, Ponder, Devlin, Mallett, Keenum, and Luck). Hopefully we won't be drafting too early in the draft, but either way it seem like if we want a QB in next year's draft it won't be too hard to get one.
For me, I hope that our staff determines we can go ahead with McCoy and we can focus on other positions.
You can get an idea by how the player responds to practice ..... how he makes throws on the scout team ..... by schooling and testing him on what he sees/saw while watching the game on the sidelines ... and any other number of ways that professional football teams use to determine if a players has it, and if they will develop.
QB really has become a vital position if you want to play in, and win Super Bowls.
2010: Brees/P. Manning
2009: Roethlisberger/Warner
2008: Eli Manning/Brady
2007: P. Manning/Grossman (anamoly)
2006: Roethlisberger/Hassleback
2005: Brady/McNabb
2004: Brady/Delhomme
2003: B. Johnson/Gannon
2002: Brady/Warner
For the most part, these are elite QBs. Brees, Brady, Manning, Warner, Roethlisberger, McNabb ..... these guys aren't "average". There are lots of average QBs in this league. Wanna win Super Bowls? Better find a stud.
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I'm not pulling for him at all... he's a 3rd string QB. If he makes it, so be it - if not, we'll get another. Hopefully, eventually, we'll get someone that sticks.
Of course, he's a member of the BROWNS, so I want him to do well in that regard as the better he does, the more it is likely to benefit us long term, but beyond that I don't really care at all.
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If I'm not mistaken, Orton won 11 games for Chicago that year and was yanked so Grossman could have his job back. I really think Orton got screwed, he lead that team that year and the staff handed Grossman the playoff starts. 
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I guess I'm with almost everyone:
I am not counting on McCoy to be anything than maybe average, in fact I haven't given him a whole lot of thought since the day we drafted him, not like I did with Couch, Frye and Quinn. In other words, I am not thinking of Colt as our QB saviour. It'd be nice, but I don't expect it.
Like one poster said, maybe we've gotten burned so many times we are blase about McCoy (on the other hand, if we coulda traded up to get Bradford, different story - because IMO most believe he has the better tools for an NFL career).
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If I'm not mistaken, Orton won 11 games for Chicago that year and was yanked so Grossman could have his job back. I really think Orton got screwed, he lead that team that year and the staff handed Grossman the playoff starts.
I thought something like that happened also,, But didn't Orton get Injured?
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It was 2007 IIRC.
The Bears went to the SB in Jan., 2007 after the 2006 season. Orton won a ton of games (well the D did) and Grossman was the starter when he got healthy.
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I hope that McCoy, just like every other member of the Browns team, will become an All Pro level performer,and will be with this team through several Super Bowl appearances and wins.
However, McCoy does have a lot of physical things (arm, size) going against him, and it would be a surprise to me if he were able to overcome them to become a quality starter.
I hope for it .... but I'm not counting on it.
Again with the size thing, he's within an inch of Delhomme and within a few pounds of delhomme..,
Farve is 6-2, 222lbs... McCoy is 6-2 210. I'd bet you that Favre was about the same weight when he came out of college..
So I don't think there is enough of a difference to claim that size is an issue.
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It was 2007 IIRC.
The Bears went to the SB in Jan., 2007 after the 2006 season. Orton won a ton of games (well the D did) and Grossman was the starter when he got healthy.
my opinion, last time the Bears had a great QB, it was Sammy Baugh
(and I can't believe noone has mentioned Erik Kramer. he was better than anyone they've had since him at least)
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It was 2007 IIRC.
The Bears went to the SB in Jan., 2007 after the 2006 season. Orton won a ton of games (well the D did) and Grossman was the starter when he got healthy.
Grossman QB'd the Bears the entire season when they went to the Super Bowl. Orton QB'd the season before, because Rex was hurt (didn't he blow out his knee?). Orton stunk in 2005 despite the Bears' record that year...51.6 completion percentage, 59.7 passer rating, 9 TDs to 13 picks. As a result he was their 3rd QB behind Rex and Brian Griese in 2006 and didn't take a snap. He was the #3 in 2007 as well, in fact he almost lost the #3 spot to Chris Leak.
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I guess I didn't RC.  I knew Orton was thrown into the fire as a rook and won a lot of games that season. edit** Am I thinking of Rothlisbeger in his rookie year?? Edit#2 searched wiki, Orton went 10-5 as a rook. How could I mix Rothlisberger up with the immortal Kyle Orton?
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Sammy Baugh was a Redskin his entire career. One of the last great 2 way players, he was also an outstanding punter and defensive back. Perhaps you were thinking of Sid Luckman who played for the Bears in the same era. 
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i expect him to develop into our backup QB. in the ONE performance we've seen, i didn't like his throwing motion. he reminded me of so many of our other lame QBs that don't step into the throw. i wonder if i just happened to notice a handful of bad throws, or if part of the lack of arm strength people knock him for has to do with the fact that he doesn't get his body behind his throws.
have any of you folks watched him a lot? does he ever step up and fire a ball?
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Sammy Baugh was a Redskin his entire career. One of the last great 2 way players, he was also an outstanding punter and defensive back.
Perhaps you were thinking of Sid Luckman who played for the Bears in the same era.
see what I get for not checking 
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Since this board seems to be a great contrarian play I am going to say that I expect McCoy to be a bonafide starter when it's his time. There's little/zero people pumping here and many think he's a career backup at best so I am expecting a bonafide starter to result of this. So far the board has missed on every QB and from my memory this is the first that there isn't people shouting from the mountains that we have the next Kosar or Montana. If I could go long McCoy's stock I would at this point based on the board. 
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Hopefully McCoy makes that not necessary.....but he was a 3rd rounder for a reason.
And that reason is because we weren't smart enough to wait until the 5th round to get him.
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Which is surprising to me. I figured there would be more McCoy pimps around here. There's plenty at training camp!
Can you define "pimp" for me? I hear the term bantered about quite a bit but exactly what do you mean by it?
Many knew and still know he has a lot of talent. Most also know he wasn't exactly NFL ready when he was drafted. Many knew he's probably a two year project but has the skills.
And IMO this FO knew going out and picking a first round QB with high expectations would only continue this QB contraversy frenzy that has been going on here for years.
So does hoping he matures, breaks some of his bad college QB habits and become our starter in a couple of years make me a pimp? If so, then I am.
And if he only becomes our back-up for a decade with a late third round pick and I think that would be worth what we paid as a late third round pick make me a pimp? Then I'm a pimp of McCoys.
But people are drafted where they are drafted for a reason. Is the potential there? Yes it is. Will it take one or two seasons for him to adjust and mature? Yes it will.
That's what many of us are waiting to see. I pimped us drafting him big time. I'm happy we did and I think we got him at a place in the draft that made it not so much of a risk. I'm hoping he will mature into a great NFL QB. But only time will tell.
Until then, most who know the game at all are cautiously optimistic which is all anyone of sound reasoning can be over a third round QB pick.
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Someone who tries to sell to you the services of another.
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In that case I'm pimping him as a Chevy, not as a Cadilac. 
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Boy did i mouth off about how we blew it with Quinn. I could not begin to believe how bad he played VS Cinci. Passes behind the receiver, over the head of open receivers, and eyeballing recievers and getting a pick six for Cinci. He looked far worse than McCoy. Colt is well, a Colt, yet if Quinn has a few more NUCLEAR stinkos for Denver he may not make the club.
Anderson looked even worse, two picks and what should have been a third pick right to the defender that was a pick six had he held on. Leinart looks like a flub yet with the Likes of DA applying the pressure for his job, well comfortable with being mediocre. I hear the Cards have Buyers remorse. Did they NOT watch the Film on DA. he is on the same career path as Tim Couch.
But I may have to line up for some punishment as I called hillis the ham sandwich, when Quinn played like baloney.
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It takes a big man to stand up as you did and not run when proven wrong... Welcome home from the dark side.... 
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You could take the low road and say that Quinn was so valuable he got us this great FB/RB weapon in Hillis. That's what I would do (with plenty of sarcasm hints).  Can't wait to see more of Hillis and Vickers just blowing people up left and right.
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Not the first time someone was wrong on this board, lord knows I've done it many times Look at it this way, at least you gave us the whole lunch meat talking point for the whole off season.
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Yes.
It was posted here before.
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For what its worth I'm sorry I posted a pic of Quinn emerging from the ocean in a throwing motion with beads of water exploding off his ripped, glistening muscles in response to your man crush that one time.
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With every McCoy interview I read I become a bigger fan of him and I want to see him thrive in our system. I can understand people taking a non-committal stance toward him. Our franchise needs a long-term solution and QB, some are hoping McCoy can become that solution and others are not going down that road. I like that McCoy has a great attitude, he's focused on working hard to make himself a better QB at this level. Now that he's gotten a taste of competitive NFL play, I think he'll have a better understanding of the speed of the game and its contrasts from the college level. I expect he'll play a lot better tonight than he did at Green Bay.
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I like that McCoy has a great attitude, he's focused on working hard to make himself a better QB at this level. Now that he's gotten a taste of competitive NFL play, I think he'll have a better understanding of the speed of the game and its contrasts from the college level. I expect he'll play a lot better tonight than he did at Green Bay.
Yes, McCoy does have all the intangibles, but so did Quinn and most other QB's for that matter,unfortunately only the cream rises to the top. With that being said, I also expect better play from him tonight. McCoy may not be the next elite QB in this league but I don't think we'll ever regret using a 3rd rd pick to get him.
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I like that McCoy has a great attitude, he's focused on working hard to make himself a better QB at this level. Now that he's gotten a taste of competitive NFL play, I think he'll have a better understanding of the speed of the game and its contrasts from the college level. I expect he'll play a lot better tonight than he did at Green Bay.
Yes, McCoy does have all the intangibles, but so did Quinn and most other QB's for that matter,unfortunately only the cream rises to the top. With that being said, I also expect better play from him tonight. McCoy may not be the next elite QB in this league but I don't think we'll ever regret using a 3rd rd pick to get him.
I wouldn't be too sure about Quinn.. always seemed a bit arrogant to me,, like he was above all others..
McCoy is the kinda kid I want to see make it,, humble, honest, hard worker, smart.. it's hard not to like him. seems like a hell of a kid to me.
Will he make it? will he be the QB we hope he can be? hell if I know. Only time will tell.. But I sure hope so.
the good news is, we have Delhomme and Wallace in front of him so he will at least have the time to develop and not be thrown into the fire too early.
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Quinn was definately more arrogant but you have to blame the media hype and his first rd draft status on most of that. Put those same conditions on Mccoy and I'll bet he'll come across a little differently as well. The point really was about work ethic and his approach to the game, BQ was no slouch when it came to that.
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Quinn was definately more arrogant but you have to blame the media hype and his first rd draft status on most of that. Put those same conditions on Mccoy and I'll bet he'll come across a little differently as well. The point really was about work ethic and his approach to the game, BQ was no slouch when it came to that.
Joe Thomas was a first round pick.. the media crowded around him also,, but he didn't turn into a primadonna... it's all about how a player reacts to media attention.. Do I place some of that at the feet of the media,, yeah, sure. But the player that believes his press clippings is just as much at fault in my eyes.
And yeah,, no question, BQ wasn't a slouch at working out.. dude was a machine from all I'm read..
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Nah, no ouch... I'm just literally not counting on him to be anything at all. I am not viewing him as our savior, I am not looking at him as the next camp superstar, I am not thinking or hoping he's going to be much of anything.
I'm simply viewing it as I see it: he's a kid that we drafted that is 3rd on the depth chart - there isn't much to get excited about. I think it's just a matter of keeping perspective.
If he were a WR that we took in the 3rd round and was stuck at 3rd string (Travis Wilson) - we'd be crucifying him. However, he's a QB from a football factory, so folks are tending to go gaga.
Just ignore him and if he actually gets it and can take a starting role, we're pleasantly surprised... if not (and the odds do favor that), then its no sweat, we don't even miss a beat, much less miss him.
I agree with you to a point... he was the winningest QB in college history so it's tough not to get a little excited about him... but I do agree that he was a third rounder for a reason.
I really like Colt... liked him while he played at UT even though I hate UT... he's an all around good guy, so I do hope he will be able to grow into a starter... but if not I'm ok with it because we didn't waste a first round pick on him.
Overall I'm really excited about the draft this past year. I see three guys who could start this year and if McCoy can get it and start in two years I think that'd just be icing on this year's draft cake
But I'm hoping after the preseason is over we don't hear from him again until next year's pre-season 
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Oh for cryin out loud, it was for comparison only.. Gheesh man..
But lets look at QB's.. was payton Manning arrogant,, is he today.. NO.. how about Eli manning? NO, Bradford,, not that I've heard, Rogers in GB.. nope, haven't heard a word about him being arrogant either. For years, I never thought Brett Favre was arrogant either. he still isn't as far as I can tell. (of course he wasn't a first round pick either) Drew Brees just won the superbowl,, not arrogant either.
Brady Quinn,,, You bet, arrogant but not made that way by the media.. he did that from listening to them.
The point is, first round picks that believe thier own clippings are the problem., not what is written about them......
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Well, to old for any man crush yet keep the muscle pics of Quinn if it excites you. Damn I really thought Quinn was showing some good progression yet that Cinci game...wow. But Cinci has held Dallas and Denver and last night pretty much shut down Philly. They made Vick look like a rookie as well. Cinci has a very aggressive secondary and a great pass rush. I thought Cinci got handled by December of last year yet this preseason they look real tough...so this may not all be on Quinn.
The Bengals beat him up pretty good though. Lets see how the year plays out for the kid.
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