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Holmgren said he had no intention of mccoy playing this year. If they planned on him not playing and sitting on the roster... why would his preseason performance change his expectation?

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We noted yesterday that Browns rookie quarterback Colt McCoy, a star at Texas and third-round draft pick, has been mentioned as being on the roster bubble. Today Browns coach Eric Mangini said all options remain on the table regarding which quarterbacks the team will keep on the roster after the preseason.

The Browns will go into the season with Jake Delhomme as the starter and Seneca Wallace as the No. 2, but Mangini said it's conceivable that both McCoy and Brett Ratliff could be on the team as well. It's also conceivable that both of them could be cut.

"That's something that we will talk about as the cuts get closer," Mangini said. "I've kept four as a head coach and have been on teams that have kept four as an assistant coach. I have also been on [teams that only kept] two."

Cutting a third-round draft pick before the regular season starts is rare, but not unheard of. It seems like a long shot that McCoy would get cut, but Mangini's comments suggest that the Browns aren't ruling it out.

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LOL That's really funny.. They completely forgot that Holmgren exercised his Presidential Powers to get McCoy drafted and knew it would take time to develop....

But of course, that wouldn't be much of a story would it.

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I would not be heart broken if McCoy got cut. Simply put, he's a few years away from being a backup and a LONG time away from being a starter.

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We noted yesterday that Browns rookie quarterback Colt McCoy, a star at Texas and third-round draft pick, has been mentioned as being on the roster bubble. Today Browns coach Eric Mangini said all options remain on the table regarding which quarterbacks the team will keep on the roster after the preseason.

The Browns will go into the season with Jake Delhomme as the starter and Seneca Wallace as the No. 2, but Mangini said it's conceivable that both McCoy and Brett Ratliff could be on the team as well. It's also conceivable that both of them could be cut.

"That's something that we will talk about as the cuts get closer," Mangini said. "I've kept four as a head coach and have been on teams that have kept four as an assistant coach. I have also been on [teams that only kept] two."

Cutting a third-round draft pick before the regular season starts is rare, but not unheard of. It seems like a long shot that McCoy would get cut, but Mangini's comments suggest that the Browns aren't ruling it out.

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LOL That's really funny.. They completely forgot that Holmgren exercised his Presidential Powers to get McCoy drafted and knew it would take time to develop....

But of course, that wouldn't be much of a story would it.

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Holmgren did not exercise to draft McCoy because he's McCoy. He did it:

1) Because Heckert did not have anyone he "wanted" and

2) Holmgren wants QBs.

I would not be heart broken if McCoy got cut. Simply put, he's a few years away from being a backup and a LONG time away from being a starter.

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Cleveland Browns' Colt McCoy will make team barring unforeseen circumstance, source says


CLEVELAND -- Barring an unforeseen circumstance, Browns rookie quarterback Colt McCoy will make the final roster, a league source said.

McCoy, who was drafted in the third round out of Texas when Browns President Mike Holmgren stepped in and made the decision to do so, is a developmental project who was never expected to play this season. That's why his numbers this preseason aren't much of a concern to the Browns and why McCoy shouldn't worry too much about being on the bubble.

The Browns brought him in to learn behind Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace, and that's exactly what he's been doing. Against the Rams on Saturday, McCoy took a total of six snaps in the fourth quarter, going 3-and-out on his two drives. He was sacked twice on his first drive and went 0-for-2 on his second.

In his previous two outings, the brown-white scrimmage and the Green Bay game, McCoy threw four interceptions. Overall, he's completed 5-of-12 attempts for 25 yards with no TDs and two picks for a dismal 9.7 rating. But Mangini chalked it up to rookie growing pains.

“Yes, it’s part of what happens,'' said Mangini. "I think you saw that with (Sam) Bradford (Saturday night). It’s confusing. A lot of stuff happens here that you haven’t faced. It’s faster, everybody’s good and it takes some time for things to slow down especially at that spot because you have so much responsibility. He was in one system at a pretty high comfort level for a long time and now he's thrust into another system with a very different practice pattern. It’s not the easiest thing in the world to do, but to his credit, he works consistently. He doesn’t get flustered by it. He's done a nice job with Jake and Seneca, seeking out their guidance. It’s a hard transition.''

The real issue at quarterback is whether or not Mangini decides to keep Brett Ratliff as well as McCoy. "We have kept four in the past,'' said Mangini. "Quarterbacks are really valuable. Someone is always looking for one at some point. If you have an abundance of them, usually you can get real value for them if you are willing to move on from them. I've kept four and I've been on teams that have kept two.''

Despite encouraging words last week from Holmgren when they visited during practice at his golf cart, McCoy isn't taking anything for granted.

"All of the guys that are in that last group are all trying to make the team,'' said McCoy. "We're all trying to fight hard, and we've got to do a better job of executing when we go in as a unit.''

He said he's had to win spots before.

"In college, I had to earn a job my freshman year,'' said McCoy. "I had to compete with Jevan Snead and that was back and forth. They didn’t name a starter until the first game. I try to go to practice every day like somebody’s coming to take my spot. I don’t want anybody to. That’s kind of my mentality. You go into practice each day not wanting somebody to come up and catch you from behind. You're always working and trying to get better.''

Fortunately for McCoy, Mangini said he'll play "a ton of time'' in the fourth preseason game Sept. 2, as will Ratliff. Reps for both will probably be scarce in the dress rehearsal game Saturday in Detroit.

"That's great if I play a lot in the fourth game,'' said McCoy. "I’m looking forward to it. It'd be fun. But I don't feel pressure. I just go out and play the best I can.''

McCoy said he's trying to make the best of his limited reps in practice and games.

"It's hard. For instance, like last week you get six plays, you watch those over and over to see what you could've done better,'' he said. "It's just really not getting down in times like that, just really understanding that 'hey, we're all out there for the first time.'''

He said he can't really evaluate what the transition is like because "I really haven't played enough to tell yet. The situation that I'm in, it is what it is. I've got two great guys in front of me that I can learn from and I'm just really trying to soak that in.''

HARDESTY IN PADS: Rookie running back Montario Hardesty took another step Wednesday, putting on pads and a helmet and doing individual work outside with a trainer. "I'll do some running outside to get used to having the pads on,'' he said.

IVEY CLAIMED: The Browns were awarded defensive lineman Travis Ivey (6-4, 325) off waivers from the Miami Dolphins. Ivey was originally signed by the Dolphins as an undrafted free agent on April 30, 2010 and was waived on August 23. A four-year letterman at the University of Maryland (2006-09), Ivey appeared in 32 games with 16 starts, recording 54 tackles, three fumble recoveries and two sacks.

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LOL That's really funny.. They completely forgot that Holmgren exercised his Presidential Powers to get McCoy drafted and knew it would take time to develop....

But of course, that wouldn't be much of a story would it.

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I don't think that McCoy will be cut ..... but keeping 4 QBs would not shock me.

If we are going to play Wallace a fair amount during the regular season, then we have 2 QBs who could potentially be injured at any time, and McCoy could be 1 snap away from the primary backup role.

I don't think that he's ready for that.

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I think this buzz about McCoy getting cut is absurd. The rookie hasn't gotten many snaps in practice (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just the impression I've got) and to come into pre-season games playing with teammates he doesn't have much chemistry with yet, if any, and we're all expecting him to rock the house it's a bit crazy. I think Colt will get it, with time, but this is going to be a process, I think that's why Holmgren has constantly mentioned taking a patient approach with Colt. If he doesn't show us something this pre-season to get excited about I would be a bit worried but overall, I'm not going to let the play of a couple pre-season games dictate my complete opinion of McCoy.

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The real issue at quarterback is whether or not Mangini decides to keep Brett Ratliff as well as McCoy. "We have kept four in the past,'' said Mangini. "Quarterbacks are really valuable. Someone is always looking for one at some point. If you have an abundance of them, usually you can get real value for them if you are willing to move on from them. I've kept four and I've been on teams that have kept two.''

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Thanks for posting, D-shot. I think Mangini let his true motives slip here. They're hoping to get something for Ratliff.

(like I mentioned earlier in the thread )