It's funny, because as soon as Lienart came out, going 3 and Out on 3 drives, and they put DA in, I KNEW he was going to drive them right down the field...
And then when they got right next to the goal line... I KNEW he'd miss at least one throw...
Just like when it's 3rd and 12, and the Browns are on D, and you just KNOW the other team is going to convert it... I KNOW what Derek is going to do... And while sometimes its good, most of the time it isn't...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
I still think DA can be a more than serviceable QB in this league.
IMO, his time here was marred by the whole Quinn fiasco and poor play from his biggest weapon. A lack of a running game in 2008 helped to create a perfect storm that derailed the entire year. I have rehashed this argument a thousand times. I thought DA got a raw deal here and BQ and the pressure to play him were part of the reason DA was ran outta town.
Arizona can be competitive with him at the helm this year. They just need to get solid production from the running game and the passing game will come along fine.
Give DA a chance to relax and not worry about his job security and he will be fine.
Evidence indicates that job security is strongly correlated with performance.
It is no coincidence that DA played lights out when Frye was gone in 2007
DA (and most people) thrives on no-pressure situations. Give him a good line, a solid running game, and name him the uncontested starter and he would do well.
He is at his worst when he is being pressured by a pass rush, playing from behind, "trying too hard", or playing for his job.
Players who don't fit this model are incredibly rare.
That's a lot of qualifiers. A lot of players can be successful when they have the perfect environment around them.
Other young QB's that have had an 80 QB rating: Aaron Brooks (2002, 2003), Charlie Batch (1998, 1999), David Carr (2004, 2006).
Just because a guy is young and has a QB rating over 80 doesn't mean he is good. In 2007, Anderson's 82.5 QB rating ranked 17th in the NFL, hardly top notch. Also, in 2007 Anderson's completion percentage (with perfect conditions) was 56.5%, 28th out of 32 qualified QB's.
I know that, but DA wasn't a game managing QB who lived off of a great D, which we sure didn't have, OR a great run game...Lewis got to 1.3k yds but I he did because there was a passing game not the other way around...I know what games I saw and I know it was consensus around here that we passed to run the ball
Also, since completion % is a big factor for the QB rating it's telling he was very effective to have a good rating despite having such a bad comp %....again, I'm not saying DA is god...I think his ceiling is an AVG to below AVG starter in this league, which is simply better than anything we've had here....and that includes Delhomme, who will do better but does not have this ceiling at this point any more. I guess my ultimate point is: we still have a pretty big QB problem....and no, McCoy is NOT the answer, trust me, quote me on that....whatever...he isn't
Quote: Is it possible Mangini knew he didn't have a starting QB in either Anderson or Quinn? You would say no, because you have "I Hate Mangini" blinders on. But it's a possibility he got to camp and realized he had no QB's.
I sure hope that was the case since even a few posters said that at the time and got lambasted for it ( I did not forget, lol)....but that's not my point. It's a pretty weak argument to excuse both DA's and Quinn's most horrible seasons with "the HC knew he had no QB"..so what? If Life gives you lemons, make lemonade....Mangini didn't...our passing game died of thirst. How come even RAC had them producing better? The FACT that BOTH QBs play regressed DRAMATICALLY to the point of both losing ANY value is ALL on Mangini and his staff....a coache's JOB is to manage the material at hand (players) to maximize their production, NOT to whine and cry "my way or highway"....Mangini simply failed at that. It's inexcusable and undebatable imho....but I'm sure you'll ignore the facts and take some shots at me instead again to mask the emptiness of arguments
Quote: Most talented Browns' QB in a long time. Tallest midget. Same thing. And Whisenhunt hasn't fallen in love with anyone. He just hates Matt Leinart.
Yet it took over 90% of posters around here over 2 years to realize he was way better than probably the WORST QB we saw playing for the Browns since rebirth....so excuse me if I do not put a lot of stock into what the consensus of homers is on this board
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was listening to ESPN All night radio last night and a local writer for arizona said, "Anderson will throw 2-3 really good passes and get the ball down field, but on the 4th pass the ball will go up in the stands nearly knocking some kid out inthe 3rd row." also he remarked at how DA is great at moving the ball down field in big chunks and then when he has to make a throw with some touch, you ask yourself, how could anyone miss that?
Other than that, I think that's a fair post. Quinn failed, DA is DA, in that he shows potential, but really can't get it done either.
The more time goes by, the more it seems that arguing which QB is better is a pointless effort (and this is coming from an ex-Quinn fanboy). Both are not NFL QBs. Period.
Also, give Colt some time and don't call for his head yet. We have a couple vets that can hold down the fort for a couple years. I happen to really like Wallace because this Cyclone package should give us something entertaining to watch this season. Colt won't play this year, and for good reason, the kid has to watch.
Lay down the torches and pitchforks until a year from now.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
There are twice as many jobs in the league as there are for starting QB's. Some are young veterans who never really developed as they were expected to, or they are no longer someone who can be expected to carry the team for a full season.
Developmental QB is usually your #3 QB.
There just is not enough talent @ the QB position. That's why you see so much movement around the league hoping to get lucky with someone, because they think that they might work in their system.
I wish DA the best of luck, because even though he bad mouthed the fans for booing him when he got injured and showing some emotion under duress. I don't wish him any ill feelings. We have a fresh start here and even though some only want to predict the worst from Delhomme. I am so thankful for being spared another season of the DA or BQ saga.
I'll never forget Anderson standing on the sidelines with a huge grin laughing it up with his teamates after he threw an INT or an incompletion on a third down.
Cards fans are going to be miserable throughout this entire season.
Quote: I'll never forget Anderson standing on the sidelines with a huge grin laughing it up with his teamates after he threw an INT or an incompletion on a third down.
Cards fans are going to be miserable throughout this entire season.
To be honest with you, I don't remember this ever happening. I've watched every single minute of every game of Anderson playing. I'm calling BS.
Quote: To be honest with you, I don't remember this ever happening.
I do. In fact, I went to bat for DA that following Monday when fans were trying to pillory him on the boards.
I wrote one of my my patented long-winded posts about all the varibles that could have explained why fans saw what they saw: jokes to lighten the mood, either by DA or to DA from another player, iso cameras being called up by truck producers at unattractive moments, etc.
You can call BS if you want to, but I was there for the broadcast-- AND the fallout early that following week. Many of us saw it. Enough that a huge chunk of a DA/BQ thread was devoted to it.
That said, I never wished DA anything but the best of luck while he was a Brown, because I never play the "position favorites' game. When he struggled, I always hoped he'd bust out of the slump. When Quinn was put in, he got the same support from me.
Now that they're both gone, I have only a passing interest in how they do, because they're familiar to me. That said, I get the feeling that neither of them will missed around Cleveland.
Quote: I'll never forget Anderson standing on the sidelines with a huge grin laughing it up with his teamates after he threw an INT or an incompletion on a third down.
Cards fans are going to be miserable throughout this entire season.
To be honest with you, I don't remember this ever happening. I've watched every single minute of every game of Anderson playing. I'm calling BS.
Call whatever you want Frenchy... I remember it well.
Quote: I'll never forget Anderson standing on the sidelines with a huge grin laughing it up with his teamates after he threw an INT or an incompletion on a third down.
Cards fans are going to be miserable throughout this entire season.
I don't believe that ever took place...
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
It did on a few occasions but honestly I don't see why its a bad thing. A QB needs to have the ability to let a bad play go and not dwell on it so he can focus on the next one.
"All I know is, as long as I led the Southeastern Conference in scoring, my grades would be fine." - Charles Barkley
Quote: It did on a few occasions but honestly I don't see why its a bad thing. A QB needs to have the ability to let a bad play go and not dwell on it so he can focus on the next one.
I swear Matt., I don't remember it ever happening.. and if it did, does anyone actually believe he was happy about throwing a pick.. Like you said, you want a QB that let's it roll off his back.. otherwise it gets in thier heads and they become gunshy and worthless....
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Yeah I remember it Frenchy, although IMO it was probably overblown by a few, but never a major controversy. I don't remember the game(s) either but I can remember this board talking about it after the game(s).
I remember it too. Hamming it up on the sidelines about 30 seconds after throwing a pick. Who knows what he said though. Sometimes you need to laugh off an awful throw. Like:
"Can you believe that one? Either Mangini is going to beat me with a bat in the film room or he may shoot me dead any second."
Sometimes you need that to try and bounce back next series.
With that said I think he's a D and thank god I don't have to watch the potato cannon anymore.
I think that is exactly what happened. DA doesn't usually let things bother him on the outside. If he didn't care about the pick there would be no way in hell he would have ever started for us again.
I wish DA well in the desert. Whoever starts mostly likely will suck. I'm looking for the Niners to take the division.
Quote: I'll never forget Anderson standing on the sidelines with a huge grin laughing it up with his teamates after he threw an INT or an incompletion on a third down.
Cards fans are going to be miserable throughout this entire season.
What I remember similar to this was Anderson on the sidelines grimacing at length after Quinn threw a pick in the game. Many Quinnies on here were trying to say that DA was smiling and happy about the pick. I don't remember him looking happy or anything that could be interpreted as happy after he screwed up himself.
Quote: I'll never forget Anderson standing on the sidelines with a huge grin laughing it up with his teamates after he threw an INT or an incompletion on a third down.
Cards fans are going to be miserable throughout this entire season.
To be honest with you, I don't remember this ever happening. I've watched every single minute of every game of Anderson playing. I'm calling BS.
This happened go watch Arizonas game before last you can see it again.
Quote: It did on a few occasions but honestly I don't see why its a bad thing. A QB needs to have the ability to let a bad play go and not dwell on it so he can focus on the next one.
For most people it depends on if they like the player or not...
He goes to the sideline and jokes around it shows he can handle the pressure OR it shows he doesn't care and isn't serious.
He goes to the sideline and sits by himself it shows that he has no backing from his teammates OR he is rethinking the play in his head and changing strategy.
He goes to the sideline upset or emotional it shows he really cares about the team and the game OR he cannot control himself and shouldn't be playing.
anderson stunk after his 9games of fools gold in 07. anderson will help tear apart the cards in the same manner he distinguished in brownstown. Quinn has failed to shine in Denver so far yet that reality does not further the delusion Anderson did not have the opportunity here.
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