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DA should get the start in AZ. And he should be fine. Give him a secure grip on the position, a running game, and some consistent wide receivers and he can be a competent QB in this league.
BQ hasn't shown even a semblance of this. We got one hell of a ham sandwich for him though. LOL.
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Quinn might not make their final roster.
I don't know how many QBs they are planning on keeping, but I think that Tebow has shown more than Quinn, and might just grab the #2 spot. Orton has a headlock on #1 right now.
Quinn really hasn't shown anything in Denver.
I said it when he was traded, and I'll say it again ..... very rarely does a 1st round QB fail in one place and wond up a success elsewhere. It very rarely happens.
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Quinn might not make their final roster.
I don't know how many QBs they are planning on keeping, but I think that Tebow has shown more than Quinn, and might just grab the #2 spot. Orton has a headlock on #1 right now.
Quinn really hasn't shown anything in Denver.
I said it when he was traded, and I'll say it again ..... very rarely does a 1st round QB fail in one place and wond up a success elsewhere. It very rarely happens.
The only one that comes to mind is Steve Young.
I agree, I think BQ could end up out of Denver and hoping to attempt another new beginning with another team. It's inivitable that some team will lose a QB or maybe two and BQ will most likely be traded out of Denver.
Maybe Al Davis?
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anderson stunk after his 9games of fools gold in 07. anderson will help tear apart the cards in the same manner he distinguished in brownstown. Quinn has failed to shine in Denver so far yet that reality does not further the delusion Anderson did not have the opportunity here.
By all accounts I"ve read and heard, DA was a decent person.. He supposedly worked hard and stayed on task. He was reported to be a bit of a prankster..
He didn't rip this team apart and he most likely won't rip the Cards apart either.
Any ripping was the medias doing.
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Anderson starting just shows you how bad Leinart is. He's the Cardinals version of Captain Checkdown. This is from Peter King's MMQB: Quote:
I think the best note from a practice session I've seen this summer came from Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic (don't mean to put him in every MMQB, but the guy's good), monitoring the combined Cards-Titans practice on Wednesday in Nashville. Before a snap when the Cards' offense stepped to the line of scrimmage, Somers heard a Titans defender say to a teammate: "I got a buffalo nickel that says he checks down.'' In footballese, that translates to: Matt Leinart will always take the easy way out instead of trying to make a play.
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Anderson will be starting for the Cardinals, with Max Hall and John Skelton backing him up. And Matt Leinart will be traded. And if/when the Cardinals do trade Leinart it will be interesting to see what they get for him. I don't think there is any chance they get more than we got for Quinn, not even taking into account the picks we got.
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Or released, why trade for a player that might be released, trade you also get his current contract, get a released player you get to sign them to a new contract. but you might not out bid another team for that player, so there is ups & downs about both ways.
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Maybe they will trade him for Quinn... I'd love to see the look on DA's face if that happens. 
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And if/when the Cardinals do trade Leinart it will be interesting to see what they get for him. I don't think there is any chance they get more than we got for Quinn,
Maybe they will trade him for Quinn... I'd love to see the look on DA's face if that happens.
It would only get better if the then also traded for Frye next year.
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I think I'd pee myself laughing if that were to happen.
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I remember when Trent Dilfer was on ESPN claiming how it's not DA or Quinn's fault and that the Browns were just a "bad team"
I'm not saying we were a good team...
But it's not like we were holding them down...
I also love how Dilfer used his spot as an anchor on ESPN to bash the browns any chance he could...
I hate Trent Dilfer.
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I'm suddenly very glad that I live in a different city than you do ..... 
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Looks like Leinart could be in danger of losing his job entirely ......  http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6384866/24217438Leinart should be concerned ... about getting cut Posted on: August 30, 2010 8:38 pm Matt Leinart wonders why he's not the starter in Arizona, but he has bigger concerns. He might not make the team. I'm serious. People in and around the Cardinals' ballclub tell me that the former No. 1 pick might be cut, not because he hasn't completed a high percentage of passes -- because he has -- but because the players there have no faith in the guy and don't believe they can win with him. If that is in fact the case, it's over. He not only won't make it as the team's starter; he won't make it, period. Leinart complained that he's outplayed Derek Anderson, and he has -- if you're talking pure numbers. Leinart completed 82.6 percent of his passes this summer to Anderson's 58.5 and has a higher passer rating (110.3 to 70.3). But several players on the Cardinals say they have more confidence in Anderson than Leinart, who sat behind Kurt Warner the past two seasons. So that pushes him to the backup spot, but then the Cards have a couple of rookies -- Max Hall and John Skelton -- who look good enough to keep. Except for one thing: If one is released he almost surely is claimed. That brings us back to Leinart, and why the Cards would go into a season with two rookies as backups. The reason, people close to the Cards say, is that he might not be a positive influence in the No. 2 spot and might hold Hall and/or Skelton back. Coach Ken Whisenhunt has said the decision will be based on more than just stats, with the head coach citing "chemistry" as a key component, and that's where Leinart comes up short. Morever, there's a feeling that the Cards have given the guy plenty of time to prove he can make it at this level and are so frustrated that he isn't farther along they're contemplating the improbable. I'm not saying Leinart gets cut, but I am saying it's a possibility. Matt Leinart should be worried -- about a lot more than just the starter's job.
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Leinart complained that he's outplayed Derek Anderson, and he has -- if you're talking pure numbers. Leinart completed 82.6 percent of his passes this summer to Anderson's 58.5 and has a higher passer rating (110.3 to 70.3). But several players on the Cardinals say they have more confidence in Anderson than Leinart,
What do they have down there,, the inmates running the prison? I didn't realize that Leinart had outplayed DA by that much..that's a helluva difference..
Is it maybe time to tell the players,, hey,, Leinart outplayed DA and he's the starter because the Best Players Play......
Is Leinart kind of a jerk or something?
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Leinart complained that he's outplayed Derek Anderson, and he has -- if you're talking pure numbers. Leinart completed 82.6 percent of his passes this summer to Anderson's 58.5 and has a higher passer rating (110.3 to 70.3). But several players on the Cardinals say they have more confidence in Anderson than Leinart,
What do they have down there,, the inmates running the prison? I didn't realize that Leinart had outplayed DA by that much..that's a helluva difference..
Is it maybe time to tell the players,, hey,, Leinart outplayed DA and he's the starter because the Best Players Play......
Is Leinart kind of a jerk or something?
STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!
Does someone have the Diam batsignal? 
Leinart doesn't throw anything over 10 yards. Thus the high completion rate. When you have QBs that only throw the checkdown it allows the safeties and LBers to play downhill toward the LOS. Trust me I'm sure the offense is frustrated that Leinart won't even try to push the envelope.
And add to that that DA has an arm and knows how to throw that skinny post on a frozen rope.
Now give it another 2 months or so and everyone will see exactly what we saw here and Arizonans all across the state will be throwing things at their televisions.
I am actually thinking I might not stare blankly at the screen, mouth agape for more than 10 minutes at any one time this season for the first time in a long time. 
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but but... DA's been to a probowl! I really hope they dump Leinart and keep DA, that would make for some fun football to watch, somewhat opposite of what it was like watching him play here.
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From what I have read ..... yes.
He is also reported to be a guy who is more concerned with his stats that with winning.
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I know several people weren't too pleased when photos of Leinart partying in a hottub with several modles surfaced during his rookie season. Other than that I haven't read anything that implied he was a jerk. A diva might be the better word.
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I recall his work ethic early on was definitely in question shortly after he was drafted. He wreaked of a guy who spent more time booze cruisin' to Vegas partyin' it up at the casino than in the film room growing his game. Add that to the fact that he has one of the biggest cream puff arms I've ever seen (even at USC- completely unimpressed with the floating pumpkins the guy threw most of the time) and doesn't have the set of stones to throw down-field (like another over-hyped Captain Checkdown knock-off: BQ), and wasn't Whisenhunt's pick, remember. He was drafted by Denny Green. Whiz, especially with the WR corp and deep threats they have, implements more vertical routes into the passing game. There's just a lot going against him. The locker room not having his back while he verbally claims to "outplay the competition" (a laughable notion; the offense didn't move as well with him at the helm- look no further than the 3 three-and-outs vs. the Titans) makes this all the more funny for me. The guy is a doucher.
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Leinart complained that he's outplayed Derek Anderson, and he has -- if you're talking pure numbers. Leinart completed 82.6 percent of his passes this summer to Anderson's 58.5 and has a higher passer rating (110.3 to 70.3). But several players on the Cardinals say they have more confidence in Anderson than Leinart,
What do they have down there,, the inmates running the prison? I didn't realize that Leinart had outplayed DA by that much..that's a helluva difference..
Is it maybe time to tell the players,, hey,, Leinart outplayed DA and he's the starter because the Best Players Play......
Is Leinart kind of a jerk or something?
Watching Leinart is kind of like watching Brady Quinn. His numbers might look decent on paper, but if you're watching him play the game you never really feel like he's going to lead the team down the field for touchdowns.
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Sad to say it I think DA has looked better when I've watched them... as someone said before Leinart just doesn't give any sense of confidence... he comes across as a whiner and after 5 years of sitting doesn't seem like he's learned much.
I think I remember reading a story (might have been on here) where a defender was quoted as saying they know he's just going to check down so they don't have to worry about him going deep at all.
I think the state of the Cards is just sad... to go from being in the SB to having this mess in just two years... just shows you that if you can make it to the SB you better win it... because you never know what will happen in the following couple of years.
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It also goes to show just how important a QB is to a team.
Without Warner, the Cardinals are probably not a playoff team.
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Probably? There's no way... they are VERY lucky that they are in probably the worst division in football right now... but I just don't see them having a winning season.
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I don't think there is enough negatives surrounding Leinhart that would justify dumping him and turning the team over to a QB like DA and a couple rookies backing him up.
If this goes down I think the Cards will be looking for a new coach sooner than later.
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It was in Peter Kings MMQB 2. I think the best note from a practice session I've seen this summer came from Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic (don't mean to put him in every MMQB, but the guy's good), monitoring the combined Cards-Titans practice on Wednesday in Nashville. Before a snap when the Cards' offense stepped to the line of scrimmage, Somers heard a Titans defender say to a teammate: "I got a buffalo nickel that says he checks down.'' In footballese, that translates to: Matt Leinart will always take the easy way out instead of trying to make a play. Peter King Note 2
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J/C... All this has the makings of Arizona with a top-5 pick.
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Modle's? maybe it is French for models 
The few times I have seen Lienhart play I never got the impression he would or could make it. At least not on the Cards.
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For a minute I thought he was in a hot tub with Modell .......
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Matt Leinart’s days in Arizona may be numbered.
The Arizona Cardinals have been calling around the league trying to trade their former first-round draft pick, FOXSports.com has learned.
Several teams have confirmed that they have received calls and e-mails from the Cardinals regarding his services, but it is not yet clear what sort of compensation that Arizona is seeking.
Leinart lost his starting quarterback job this preseason to Derek Anderson.
After his demotion to the second string, Leinart said, “I think this goes beyond the football field.
“I've done everything they've asked of me and more – outplayed the competition in training camp and preseason."
“Obviously there's something that's going on; I don't know what it is."
Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt dismissed the idea that he has a problem with Leinart.
"I don't know where that comes from,” Whisenhunt said. “It's not about whether you like somebody or you don't like somebody. It's more about what you feel is right for the team."
In three preseason games, Leinart is completing 82.6 percent of his passes and has a passer rating of 110.2 with no turnovers.
Anderson has completed 58.5 percent of his preseason passes with two interceptions and a passer rating of 70.2, which is the lowest of the Cards’ four QBs.LINK
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Man, some of teh folks in AZ are freaking right now. LOL..
But in all honesty,
I think that Whiz did what the Browns should have done after 2007. Commit to DA and get rid of your overhyped 1st rounder.
Whiz made the right move to cut Leinart. This pretty much puts Derek in the drivers seat. He can just go out and play w/o having a rabid fan base screaming for their 1st round pick to play.
A lot of fans out there were just as obsessed with ML as all of the BQ cheerleaders here. But Whiz realized that you can't run a football team with 2 QB's. It just messes stuff up. It divides the fans, the locker room, the coaches---its just not a good option.
I think DA will be happy to get back to playing football instead of trying to hold off pretty-boy back-ups whose popularity trumps their actual skill-level.
I still think DA is a valid NFL QB. And I still think that his years here were sabotaged by BQ and coaches who didn't have the knuckles to commit to a QB. I am sure that the QUinn fanatics didn't help the situation either.
Brady, Brady, Brady.
Where is he again?
3rd string in Denver?
Well, DA is once again leading an NFL club.
And I wish him all the best. We got Delhomme now---who is going to do an excellent job leading the team this year. But had we dumped Quinn and kept DA---I wouldn't have minded that either.
Its will be nice to see a real QB play for us this year.
And I am happy that DA is going to get another chance to lead a team with him as the uncontested starter. I think he can return to his 2007 form.
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Yeah, Brady and Romeo are the reason DA can't complete a 5 yard pass and has as many INTs as TDs.
Give it a rest.
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Yeah, Brady and Romeo are the reason DA can't complete a 5 yard pass and has as many INTs as TDs.
Give it a rest.
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Appearing on Saturday's Notre Dame-Purdue halftime show (positioned just to the left of PFT's Grand Poobah), Peter King of NBC Sports revealed the details of his recent conversation with Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt.
According to King, Whisenhunt called Hall "the best of our four quarterbacks" in training camp.
Whisenhunt is clearly comfortable with the undrafted rookie from Brigham Young as his primary backup, having released Matt Leinart to promote Hall. The Cardinals also are not known to have made a serious run at Sage Rosenfels, who was the best quarterback available on the trade market prior to his acquisition by the Giants.
But there could be more to this story. Much more.
Whisenhunt acknowledged that Hall outplayed current starter Derek Anderson, strongly indicating that Anderson could be on a short leash. Anderson's contract is also heavily incentive laden, based on starts and statistics. If he doesn't prove to be the answer, it will present a lose-lose situation for Arizona. The Cardinals could end up losing money, in addition to games.
Despite his recent elevation to the starting job, Anderson's job security is weak, and his post-2007 track record inspires no confidence. At this point, we wouldn't be surprised if Hall is starting games by the Cardinals' Week 6 bye.
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I think Whisenhunt just became an idiot in my book. Even if you feel that way about your QBs, should you really be telling it to the media. Way to undercut your starter there Coach.
You should always rally around your QB, always. And if you cant he shouldnt be your QB.
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I think Whisenhunt just became an idiot in my book. Even if you feel that way about your QBs, should you really be telling it to the media. Way to undercut your starter there Coach.
You should always rally around your QB, always. And if you cant he shouldnt be your QB.
OSU...good point...that should make Anderson feel like the HC is behind him, huh?
On Anderson...I liked him when he was a Brown because of his size and strong arm. He had one good season when he had a couple of very good targets (Winslow/Edwards) who could catch passes that were not accurate and on target, which may have made Anderson look better than he was.
Anderson "had opportunities" here in Cleveland after his outstanding 2007 season and he simply blew it, with inconsistent play and very inaccurate passes. He played himself out of a starting job and out of Cleveland.
I always thought the guy had the ability but something was missing inside him..inside his head..it was mental, not physical. IMO, he left Holmgren little choice, based on his performance.
Again, Anderson has a golden "opportunity" to become a very good QB in the NFL..he has the physical tools and the supporting cast...
With the Cardinals, he has a team that has been in the playoffs the last two seasons..the best WR in football (Fitzgerald) as well as other good WRs..a running game...good Oline...a HC who has a background on the offensive side of the ball.
If ever Anderson was going to succeed in the NFL, it should be this season. Anderson can never claim he has not had his shots at succeeding in the NFL.
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If ever Anderson was going to succeed in the NFL, it should be this season. Anderson can never claim he has not had his shots at succeeding in the NFL.
I have to agree with that. he's surrounded by a solid team. if he can't make this work, he's not starter material.
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I'l save you the suspense ... he's not starter material. As much as I believe the whole Quinn thing really had an effect on him mentally, there was just too much bad that can't be explained by it. And when your coach who just names you the starter comes out and says his undrafted rookie FA QB was his best QB on his roster thus far this season, that's hardly confidence inspiring ... for DA or for the fans.
He will have his moments - some that may have a few Browns fans wishing he were still here. But they will be fleeting, IMO.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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