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with all the bust picks on Harrison, maybe his expectations aren't so high this year 
i think everyone is tending to get a little worried about his recent "casualness" with the football in his hands. 3 fumbles in 2 games was it?
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Will the kickoff rule change affect Cribbs that much? I hope not!
I'm pretty sure changing the way teams have to set up their kickoff returns when they've been doing it a certain way (sucessfully) for years would effect them, negatively...
What was the rule change?
Wasn't it last year that they changed the number of players on the wedge? If so, and you're not talking about some other rule change... I'd think that we've already adapted to it.
Was that last year? 
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Boom - Hillis
Bust - Harrison
I have to agree with that from preseason so far. Although unlike many I think Harrison could shine again if he can get his head back to where he was last year.
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Don't worry, we won't contradict that 
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Boom - MoMass (Dude is going to put up a ton of numbers)
Bust - Our entire LB Corps (Either old and slow OR young and inexperienced)
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Boom : Mack.. Im hoping to see him connect well with the QB..Be a leader on the line.. Bust : Phil Dawson... I always expect great effort from Phil..So if for some reason his leg goes astray. iwould be disapointed. Hoping of course that doesn`t happen.
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Am I dreaming or have I read before that Harrison has had some trouble holding on to the ball? Maybe it is just recent struggles though.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Boom: Peyton Hillis...there will be songs on local radio about the redneck boy from Arkansas.
Bust: Pashos....though it is hard to really say that. We know he is a sub forced to play. He was all we had available.
It will be better when he finishes his career as a back-up/spot starter and we have a real bull in the east 40.
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Am I dreaming or have I read before that Harrison has had some trouble holding on to the ball? Maybe it is just recent struggles though.
I don't remember reading that he was a fumbler in college..
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BOOM! Tie : Vickers & Hillis Bust: ST. Clair   
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Boom: Robiskie
Bust: I'll pass on this one.
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What I'm happiest about already is that we have a plethora of legitimate "Boom" players. I don't recall that happening recently.
Most all of our "Bust" types are older over-the-hill types, or guys that are merely stop-gap types anyway.... that's a major positive, and the two things together means, I believe, that we're actually pointed in the right direction - FINALLY.
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Boom: Benard
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Boom: Vickers
Bust: Roth
Vickers with his first Pro Bowl season (With a lil help from Hillis)
And I believe someone mentioned it, but I haven't seen alot from Roth this preseason,,,
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Boom: Brandon McDonald. I think he'll really excel as a nickel CB.
Bust: Massaquoi. Granted, he had a nice rookie year with far below average QB's. I'm not really impressed with his speed and as one poster said above he'll experience a sopomore slump.
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Well, I'll go "homer" here,...my bet is more college fotoball fans in this country two years ago knew who, and more, about who Robiskie was than this dude,...
And don't tell me I don't watch enough college football, i.e. Percy Harvin,....
It's all about the hype and the politics.
Did anybody ever know who the hell Peyton Hillis was in college ?
Massaquoi wll be fine,...if he isn't, he will be gone.
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Benard was a guy I almost chose for "Boom".
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To be honest, and I can't find where someone else said it by just sifting through quickly, I was close to choosing Fujita for BUST and Benard for BOOM. I think they both show signs of leaning that way.
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I believe(fwiw), by the end of the season we will say that we have found our rush LB's. Benard and Roth. 
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You could be right with Fujita... If they keep him outside. Inside he and Gocong could make a nice cover/thumper pair. The only reason I say DQ for bust is, I think he will injure/re-injure... something. 
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that's been the story the past few years. i always liked DQ, but I really think his tenure with us is over.
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I like the kid... but he needs to be traded to a 4/3.  For a 3rd and a player
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Boom: Moore
There are a number of players to choose, I believe Lauvou will start from the beginning. But at RG, he won't get much commentary. Hillis and Robiskie look to have breakout seasons as well. I think Ward will struggle early but develop.
Bust: St. Clair
Any of the aged vets could be on the list, Pashos included, and this could be a problem.
Three players starting right away says something about the condition of the team.
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St Clair might be a backup. Pashos might be a backup. If either is a backup, does that make them a bust?
If all goes according to plan, our best OL would have Womack at RT .... so I don't see how either of the 2 questionable talents behind him could be considered busts.
I always thought that a bust was a guy expected to contribute and star ..... who never does.
Joe Haden could bust. Chris Chancellor cannot. He does not fit the definition of a "bust".
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Boom: Brandon McDonald. I think he'll really excel as a nickel CB.
Bust: Massaquoi. Granted, he had a nice rookie year with far below average QB's. I'm not really impressed with his speed and as one poster said above he'll experience a sopomore slump.
I'm not sure that you can call a nickel back (especially when he will most likely be in the dime package) a boom.
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I knew who Hillis was before he came to Cleveland, Do I win the prize? Or am I disqualified because i am an Arkansas Razorbacks fan? A lot of people have compared hjim to Alstott. Since I'm a geezer, I go back to about 1992. I think he is more like Daryl "Moose" Johnson. Perhaps more than that, my first thought when he was traded from Denver to Cleveland was, "He is the type of running back who fits into the history of the Browns." He doesn't even like to run around defenders. He thinks very geometrically -- The closest distance between two points is a straight line.
I'm going to disagree with some posters. I think Mangini got Hillis in the deal because he wanted Hillis. In 2008 when Hillis made his neme with the Denver fans, he had more than 100 yards rushing against the Jets. Mangini saw what he could do up close and personal.
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I knew who Hillis was from having a friend living on base in Colorado and hearing about him when they first got him. The fans in Denver seemed to love the guy, and I can see why. He doesn't have the blocking ability I think is required for our system (as in, he'll never take reps from Vickers). The Denver fans are actually giving Vickers a lot of love and saying that they think Hillis will thrive behind the best FB in the game, something he never had for them in Denver. And of course they have a few peentards who are glad they got Quinn instead because Hillis is "just" a FB,  We'll see how that trade works out for them. Hillis is actually quite unique though... I wouldn't compare him to either Alstott or Johnston. Alstott was a great runner for a FB and was much better at it than Hillis is at this point, even though Hillis does have some skills with the ball. Moose was a great lead blocker and decent runner. Hillis is a rare scat back/battering ram hybrid that is an ok blocker but nothing special. Most 3rd down backs are quick shifty little guys that can catch rather well, Hillis has great hands and is an awesome 3rd down back but instead of being shifty he just runs people over. I don't recall seeing too many of those guys around so I don't know really who would be a good comparison for him. I guess we could just call him Allmoose 
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Lets face it the 2010/11 Cleveland Browns SCHEDULE is a bust. The Browns have ABSOLUTELY NO CLOUT IN THE N.F.L. WHATSOEVER! I'm tired as everything of seeing another 3 game road trip late in the year on the schedule.  Their are only 6 divisional games, 2 are disadvantageous to the Browns . The away game at the Bengals is in a 3 game road trip for the 2nd time since 2007 COME ON!!!!! The Cowboys haven't had 1 , not even 1 3 game road trip in my enitire LIFETIME!!! WHY?? Because the Dallay Cowboys have all kinds of clout in the NFL, the Browns have NONE! The other disadvantageous game is the away game vs the steelers, where like I have said since the FIRST DAY OF THE SUSPENSIONS ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT NOBODY LISTENS, IS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS THEY WILL FIND A WAY FOR BEN R's first game back to be against the Browns. in about 13 days, the Browns are going to play a lesser team, but it will be the teams home opener. The Browns can dominate the Bucs for 49 minutes of the game clock and Lose because of 2 reasons. 1 The Browns play bad when they have the lead 2 No team in the NFL beleives it can't come back against the Browns. the schedule is a bust because, (lets look game by game) at Tampa Bay, their home opener, they play better at home anyway 2 Kansas, City, KC OWNS the Browns, they couldn't even win when Duane Rudd threw his helmut and the Browns had the qb in the grass . 3 Baltimore, THIS IS THE RAVENS HOME OPENER! They open with 2 road games this kind of thing repeatedly happening to the Browns schedule is absolute Bogus, Bull, Barbara Streisand . 4 Home vs Cincinnati, nothing wrong with that game 5 home vs Atlanta, The Browns do well when they are on the schedule, hopefully they can win this 6 at Pittsburg, surprise, Bens first game back and, he gets two weeks to prepare, I bet the Cincy's get to play them once with dixon at qb 7 at New Orleans, superbowl champs on the road, Browns should mop the floor with them right. then the bye week, the 0-7 Browns on the way to a winless season patriots and Jets come to town the next two weeks A former dynasty and the Super Bowl representatives about to be, Browns 2 losses the 0-9 Browns go to Jacksonville, and host the Panthers The Jags,will have something to play for, and the Panthers will want to get personal revenge against Delhomme, 2 losses the 3 game road trip, at Miami , at Buffalo, and at Cincinnati, 3 losses Why? the Dolphins late in the year, will have it together , the first game of a 3 game road trip has the lowest winning percentage anyway. At the Bills, The Browns are CONSTANTLY under 500 win about one quarter of the time, YET they have a 6 game win streak vs the Bills, things have to average out, the probably overly injured Browns will lose If this point in the season is anything like the last 5 years we can probably expect Phil Dawson to be the starting QB and Sorenson, to be the best DB able to suit up. With 3 games left in the schedule the Browns will have games at Cincinnati a 3 game road trip, then the Baltimore, and Pittsburg home games, Chris Gardoki is going to throw for 45 yards and the Browns are going to beat the ravens for the 2nd win of the year after they may beat 1 team early in the year. So with this schedule the Browns could go 0-16 or 2 -14 then everybody would be happy, everybody in hollywood and new york. the Browns schedules and the entire organization of the NFL is against them, for about the 20th year in a row. But at least it isn't as bad as 1996 Bust on the Browns getting any advantages from this years schedule. Bust on the Coaching being able to win a game which nobody thought they could win, ( which is the sign of good coaching) Bust on the Browns getting any love from the national media Everybody hates the national media.
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Bust: Pashos---I just don't see him staying healthy enough to be a factor week in and week out.
Boom: Delhomme---he is going to be Cleveland's Kurt Warner. I believe that last year was a fluke. With a fresh start in a new offense he will help the Cleveland offense realize its potential. And without any big-time ego's.....err playmakers, it will be up to everyone to makes plays when they have the opportunity. Delhomme will be the facilitator, getting guys the ball and the opportunity to make a play.
I think our offense is going to shock the hell outta the league this year. Not flashy, but damned efficient. Execution will be stellar.
BOOOM!!!!!!!
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I'm glad you used the word efficient. That seems to be what I see from Delhomme, which was desperately needed by our offense. I'm also thinking he will have a shocking year to everyone at ESPN, and around the country. He won't have HUGE numbers, but he's gonna help us TONS.
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Lets face it the 2010/11 Cleveland Browns SCHEDULE is a bust.
The Browns have ABSOLUTELY NO CLOUT IN THE N.F.L. WHATSOEVER!
I'm tired as everything of seeing another 3 game road trip late in the year on the schedule.
Their are only 6 divisional games, 2 are disadvantageous to the Browns .
The away game at the Bengals is in a 3 game road trip for the 2nd time since 2007 COME ON!!!!!
The Cowboys haven't had 1 , not even 1 3 game road trip in my enitire LIFETIME!!!
WHY?? Because the Dallay Cowboys have all kinds of clout in the NFL, the Browns have NONE!
The other disadvantageous game is the away game vs the steelers, where like I have said since the FIRST DAY OF THE SUSPENSIONS ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT NOBODY LISTENS, IS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS THEY WILL FIND A WAY FOR BEN R's first game back to be against the Browns.
in about 13 days, the Browns are going to play a lesser team, but it will be the teams home opener.
The Browns can dominate the Bucs for 49 minutes of the game clock and Lose because of 2 reasons.
1 The Browns play bad when they have the lead
2 No team in the NFL beleives it can't come back against the Browns.
the schedule is a bust because, (lets look game by game)
at Tampa Bay, their home opener, they play better at home anyway
2 Kansas, City, KC OWNS the Browns, they couldn't even win when Duane Rudd threw his helmut and the Browns had the qb in the grass .
3 Baltimore, THIS IS THE RAVENS HOME OPENER! They open with 2 road games this kind of thing repeatedly happening to the Browns schedule is absolute Bogus, Bull, Barbara Streisand .
4 Home vs Cincinnati, nothing wrong with that game
5 home vs Atlanta, The Browns do well when they are on the schedule, hopefully they can win this
6 at Pittsburg, surprise, Bens first game back and, he gets two weeks to prepare, I bet the Cincy's get to play them once with dixon at qb
7 at New Orleans, superbowl champs on the road, Browns should mop the floor with them right.
then the bye week, the 0-7 Browns on the way to a winless season
patriots and Jets come to town the next two weeks
A former dynasty and the Super Bowl representatives about to be, Browns 2 losses
the 0-9 Browns go to Jacksonville, and host the Panthers
The Jags,will have something to play for, and the Panthers will want to get personal revenge against Delhomme, 2 losses
the 3 game road trip, at Miami , at Buffalo, and at Cincinnati,
3 losses
Why? the Dolphins late in the year, will have it together , the first game of a 3 game road trip has the lowest winning percentage anyway.
At the Bills, The Browns are CONSTANTLY under 500 win about one quarter of the time, YET they have a 6 game win streak vs the Bills, things have to average out, the probably overly injured Browns will lose
If this point in the season is anything like the last 5 years we can probably expect Phil Dawson to be the starting QB and Sorenson, to be the best DB able to suit up.
With 3 games left in the schedule the Browns will have games at Cincinnati a 3 game road trip, then the Baltimore, and Pittsburg home games,
Chris Gardoki is going to throw for 45 yards and the Browns are going to beat the ravens for the 2nd win of the year after they may beat 1 team early in the year.
So with this schedule the Browns could go 0-16 or 2 -14
then everybody would be happy, everybody in hollywood and new york.
the Browns schedules and the entire organization of the NFL is against them, for about the 20th year in a row.
But at least it isn't as bad as 1996
Bust on the Browns getting any advantages from this years schedule.
Bust on the Coaching being able to win a game which nobody thought they could win, ( which is the sign of good coaching)
Bust on the Browns getting any love from the national media
Everybody hates the national media.
Django? No not Django... he's not THAT negative.
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Hey,, you gotta play the schedule that is handed to you..
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I agree with that. The schedule that you get is a crap shoot because you're never sure of who is going to be a surprise team or injuries that teams suffer, etc. I do think it's crap that we have to play 3 straight away games, but what are you gonna do.
I mean we have to play at the Saints just like Pitt does. We have to play the Falcons at home just like Pitt does.
I do think we caught a break getting TB and KC to start the year. There is a CHANCE to be 2-0. If we aren't, there is no one to blame but ourselves.
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I agree with that. The schedule that you get is a crap shoot because you're never sure of who is going to be a surprise team or injuries that teams suffer, etc. I do think it's crap that we have to play 3 straight away games, but what are you gonna do.
I mean we have to play at the Saints just like Pitt does. We have to play the Falcons at home just like Pitt does.
I do think we caught a break getting TB and KC to start the year. There is a CHANCE to be 2-0. If we aren't, there is no one to blame but ourselves.
It's not only that, but next season or the one after, when we get a more favorable schedule should we complain saying it's too easy?
You play the schedule you get.. sometimes there are advantages, sometimes, there aren't..
Those are the breaks. every team deals with it from time to time..
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BOOM: I'm gonna vote Wallace. I predict he'll see more and more pt as the season goes on and Browns fans will be chanting his name. This is the first "really" athletic QB we've had in decades and he'll move the chains.
(Of course, this is just a prediction. I hope JD performs like a Pro-Bowler)
BUST: Hardesty. Missing so much camp time will cut into his pt and he won't really have a chance to get rolling.
(again, i hope he has a great year but rookies missing camp don't typically perform well)
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because having a home opener for us has helped so much the past 11 years? we were the lesser team and went 1-10. not sure why you think it's going to be this huge advantage for TB.
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and I stopped reading here. Perhaps you don't remember Jerome Harrison running for the most rushing yards in a single game in Cleveland Browns history just a few short months ago? who was the opponent for that game?
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I knew who Hillis was before he came to Cleveland, Do I win the prize? Or am I disqualified because i am an Arkansas Razorbacks fan? A lot of people have compared hjim to Alstott. Since I'm a geezer, I go back to about 1992. I think he is more like Daryl "Moose" Johnson. Perhaps more than that, my first thought when he was traded from Denver to Cleveland was, "He is the type of running back who fits into the history of the Browns." He doesn't even like to run around defenders. He thinks very geometrically -- The closest distance between two points is a straight line.
I'm going to disagree with some posters. I think Mangini got Hillis in the deal because he wanted Hillis. In 2008 when Hillis made his neme with the Denver fans, he had more than 100 yards rushing against the Jets. Mangini saw what he could do up close and personal.
The reason I compared Hillis to Alstott is because they were/are both big RB's.
Moose was a very good (FB) so I don't think they are a fair comparison.
JMO.
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The reason I compared Hillis to Alstott is because they were/are both big RB's.
Moose was a very good (FB) so I don't think they are a fair comparison.
JMO.
How about we keep it 'in the family' and just start comparing him to Kevin Mack?
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I'll take another Kevin Mack in a heartbeat. And Byner. And Leroy Kelly. And Jim Brown, maybe.
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Boom =Ahtyba Rubin,...... I don't believe he will get the notoriety, but he could be as good as any NT's in the League for years to come Bust =Veikune
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