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120 Days until the largest tax hikes in the history of America Take Effect
In just six months, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect. They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves on January 1, 2011:
(N.B. This version of the document contains even more tax hikes than the original version did)
First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011:
Personal income tax rates will rise. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
- The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15% - The 25% bracket rises to 28% - The 28% bracket rises to 31% - The 33% bracket rises to 36% - The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Higher taxes on marriage and family. The “marriage penalty” (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income. The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child. The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level. The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.
The return of the Death Tax. This year, there is no death tax. For those dying on or after January 1 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones.
Higher tax rates on savers and investors. The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011. The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011. These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.
Second Wave: Obamacare
There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:
The Tanning Tax. This went into effect on July 1st of this year. It imposes a new, 10% excise tax on getting a tan at a tanning salon. There is no exemption for tanners making less than $250,000 per year.
The “Medicine Cabinet Tax” Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).
The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.
Brand Name Drug Tax. Starting next year, there will be a multi-billion dollar tax assessment imposed on name-brand drug manufacturers. This tax, like all excise taxes, will raise the price of medicine, hurting everyone.
Economic Substance Doctrine. The IRS is now empowered to disallow perfectly-legal tax deductions and maneuvers merely because it judges that the deduction or action lacks “economic substance.” This is obviously an arbitrary empowerment of IRS agents.
Employer Reporting of Health Insurance Costs on a W-2. This will start for W-2s in the 2011 tax year. While not a tax increase in itself, it makes it very easy for Congress to tax employer-provided healthcare benefits later.
Third Wave: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes
When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. These major items include:
The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.
Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear. Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or “depreciate”) equipment purchases up to $250,000. This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment. In January of 2011, all of it will have to be “depreciated.”
Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses. There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.
Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced. The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.
Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.” This ability will no longer be there.
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So, honest American workers getting screwed again with their health savings accounts. That's going to hit me pretty hard. Does this mean I'm in the richest 2.5% of Americans? Change you can believe in. 
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There is some truth there as well.
If the Democrats fail to pass a tax bill for the President to sign, then the Bush tax cuts, every single one of them, will cease to exist. This includes the ones for the rich and poor .... and the government giveaways known as EITC and Child Tax Credits. They all end without Congressional Action.
That being said .... then yes, unless action is taken, we will see one of the largest, if not the largest, tax increases in US history.
What we will get .... who knows? I bet taxpayers don't even get a kiss before we get what we're gonna get though.
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Your own link admits that the facts are true. Quote:
It’s true that the cuts are scheduled to expire
Unless Congress does what they promised they would do (how often has that happened??) everything KOBs article said would happen ... WILL!!!
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But but...
As long as you don't make 250K a year, you're not going to get a tax increase!
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The Republicans are going to steamroll the mid-terms. It will get switched back in short enough order.
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Wow,, that kinda makes this thread more about rumor,, shouldn't it be deleted since the premise is more or less based on a chain letter that isn't accurate?
I mean, if this was a chain letter about a Football Rumor, it would already be gone wouldn't it?
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pssst! keep reading 
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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What did miss, are you saying it's not a chain email that gives less than factual information? If that were a football topic, wouldn't it be deleted already? Is there partial truth in there that overshadows the untruths?
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Wow,, that kinda makes this thread more about rumor,, shouldn't it be deleted since the premise is more or less based on a chain letter that isn't accurate?
I mean, if this was a chain letter about a Football Rumor, it would already be gone wouldn't it?
Daman i wouldn't post something without a good source
I think many overlooked the second link in the quoted article, so i will post it here.
This link is the link to the PDF file from the Joint Commitee on Taxation of the United States Congress...its a government link and source...hence the reason for Prps statement.
read the pdf below (requires Adobe Reader) straight from the horses mouth.
Sorry if anyone missed the second link in my quoted post.
however this is not rumor......
http://www.jct.gov/publications.html?func=startdown&id=3646
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The Republicans are going to steamroll the mid-terms. It will get switched back in short enough order.
The Republicans aren't going to fix this mess either if they keep it up. They seem to just want their own way or the highway. Sadly, the Democrats are much in the same boat as the GOP. Until both parties decide to work together this country is going to keep going down the path it is currently headed.
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The Republicans are going to steamroll the mid-terms. It will get switched back in short enough order.
I believe I understand where you're going here and hope it's true, but that's a big assumption. Instead, I have already saved this pot of money for April 2012. It's gonna be murder.
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Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates
IF this means what it could mean - the end of mortage interest, property tax, and state and local income tax deductions - those that make up 85-90% of your (my) Schedule A deductions, I will be looking at a substantial reduction of PDI.
Is that what we really need to jump start the economy ?
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LOL I sure missed that man.. THanks I'll read it later,,
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Knight and the rest of the GOPers....guess who is going to be raising your taxes?
.............GEORGE W. BUSH.............
The fact is, GW Bush and the GOP put an expiration date in their legislation that lowered the taxes. George and the GOP thought it would be a good idea if the tax cuts expired on 12/31/2010.
If you want to complain, get a hold of GW Bush and your GOP reps who crafted the legislation.
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RAISE TAXES NOW--THE ELDERS OF THE ECONOMY SAY SO (Greenspan and Stockman)
August 10, 2010
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- First it was Greenspan. Now one by one, other elders of the economy are speaking out against deficits, and they're making the surprising argument for higher taxes.
Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan was first and has taken the most extreme position, arguing that all of the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 should be allowed to expire.
Greenspan, no fan of big government and an initial backer of the Bush tax cuts, allows that higher taxes now could lead to slower economic growth, but has said that chipping away at the deficit is more important.
Joining him -- at varying degrees -- are David Stockman, former budget director in the Reagan White House, and former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Paul O'Neill.
The White House and most Democrats have argued for keeping the tax cuts in place for most households, but letting them expire for those earning more than $250,000, about 2% of the country.
Extending the tax cuts for everyone would cost the government $3.7 trillion over 10 years. Taxing the high-earners would get back about $700 billion of that.
David Stockman joins Greenspan at the far end, saying the nation can't afford to extend the tax cuts now. "You have to pay your bills. I say we can't afford the Bush tax cuts," Stockman told NPR this weekend.
On CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS this weekend, Rubin who worked in the Clinton White House, and Paul O'Neill, who worked for George W. Bush, also talked about the need for higher taxes.
Rubin supports the White House position of extending cuts for most households, yet raising them on the wealthy. Simply, he worries about raising taxes too broadly while the economic recovery is still shaky.
That said, he is also a proponent of the estate tax, which expired this year, and is slated to return to 2001 levels -- a $1 million exemption and 55% top rate.
Said Rubin: "I would put an estate tax in place right now, immediately. I would increase the tax on the higher brackets."
How rich is rich? O'Neill said one reason he was fired as Treasury Secretary was his take on tax cuts: "I was strongly opposed to the Bush tax cuts in 2003. I didn't think we could afford another tax cut." (video)
The issue now is not the Bush tax cuts, said O'Neill, who doesn't think the economy is in terrible shape. Rather, it's the need for fundamental tax reform, preferably one that is much simpler and emphasizes investment and growth over immediate consumption.
"If we let the Bush tax cuts expire, it's still the same stupid tax system."
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As long as ALL of the tax breaks expire, I have ZERO problem with it.
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Finally! It's about time we raise taxes as high as possible to pay for all the debt we've racked up living off credit since 1980. Should only take about 20 years of really high taxes to get things reasonable again. I don't like it anymore than the next guy, but we bought all those fancy nuclear warheads and paid social security for our seniors with an empty bank account, so now we've got to pay for it.
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Interesting.
Stupid - but interesting.
The Bush tax cuts came about simply because Bush felt letting the people that earned money........well, they ought to be allowed to keep more of it. The only reason the "expiration" date was put there was to get the dems' votes in order to pass it in the first place.
Without the "expiration" date - those of us that HAVE jobs, would've been paying more all along.
Don't make it sound like your hated Bush thought the expiration date was a good thing, okay? You sound stupid when you attempt that.
Another interesting thing from the article you cited: " Extending the tax cuts for everyone would cost the government $3.7 trillion over 10 years. "
Why does the gov't. feel that allowing the people that earn money to keep it is a "loss" for them? What it amounts to is allowing the people that earn money - it gives them the right to spend their earnings on what they want. Giving it to the gov't. allows the gov't. to hire more non essential, made up jobs, sit on your ass and get a gov't. check AND benefits, no job producing, bumps on a log type people.
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The fact is, GW Bush and the GOP put an expiration date in their legislation that lowered the taxes. George and the GOP thought it would be a good idea if the tax cuts expired on 12/31/2010.
If you want to complain, get a hold of GW Bush and your GOP reps who crafted the legislation.
So if I put an expiration date on some cottage cheese and you eat it after the expiration date and get sick, then you getting sick is my fault because I put an expiration date on it? 
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mac I'm just curious, can you post me something on what Greenspan and Stockman think of social spending? Maybe their opinion on the welfare state, the healthcare take over, the third trillion dollar bail out.... you know, the other side of bankrupting our county that none of the progressive liberal bandwagon jumpers who are now quoting them want to talk about...
Surely in your vast arsenal of daily updates from liberal news sources, they have to be touting David Stockmans genius on spending too right? Or is it just about tax cuts?
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Glad that the Bush Tax cuts are going away. Good riddance.
The rich make enough money and they don't need tax breaks.
Trickle-down economics is a lie that keeps the poor in servitude to the rich.
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Yeah, because the rich were the ONLY ones to get tax breaks.
If the Bush tax cuts expire, EVERYONES tax rates will go up.
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Because the government taking more of our money is a good thing? 
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Because the government taking more of our money is a good thing?
More of "our" money?
Sorry, but I highly doubt you make $1 million or more. I know I sure don't, nowhere close.
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Why does the gov't. feel that allowing the people that earn money to keep it is a "loss" for them?
Because it's anticipated money that is no longer there. Therefore it becomes categorized as a 'loss', in the same way that if your property value plummeted, you experience a 'loss'. Not an actual monetary loss, but a loss of funds that you thought would be there.
Taxes aren't a bad thing at all. Wasted tax money is a very bad thing.
We fall into the latter. Our tax dollars on the federal level don't actually improve the way we live or help those in need, but rather fund corporate entities who bankroll politicians. Bail them out of financial troubles, use our military might to ensure their global dealings, etc. Maintaining bloated bureaucracies, placating the poor so they don't riot ...
...our tax dollars seem to fall into one of two categories --
1) funding the outrageously rich companies who help elect leaders and who hold allegiance to no country
2) maintaining a broken system
We're going to end up so desolate that the Chinese will swoop in, and we will welcome them with open arms. Spine-broken towns will be elated to have a new factory move into town and create some jobs ... and the tables will have turned.
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Because the government taking more of our money is a good thing?
More of "our" money?
Sorry, but I highly doubt you make $1 million or more. I know I sure don't, nowhere close.
Well, open your eyes and realize that taxes are going to go up for everyone. Well, everyone who pays taxes anyway, which is only half the country these days. I'm guessing you don't pay taxes which is why you don't care how high they go.
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Because the government taking more of our money is a good thing?
More of "our" money?
Sorry, but I highly doubt you make $1 million or more. I know I sure don't, nowhere close.
You really have no idea what was in the "Bush tax cuts", do you?
The Bush tax cuts lowered the lowest rate from 15% to 10%. They double the child tax credit. They expanded the 15% bracket. They lowered the 28% bracket to 25%. (That's the bracket for someone making about $35,000 per year, by the way ...... a long, long way from $1 million)
The standard deduction increased for everyone.That will change if the tax cuts expire and nothing with a similar provision is put in place.
The Earned Income Tax Credit will vanish either in part, or in total.
Investment taxes will increase for every investor.
The marriage penalty will reappear.
This is the problem with cliches like "Tax cuts for the rich!!!" ..... uninformed people believe them without a hint of investigation on their parts.
There were some aspects of the Bush tax cuts that impact the rich ..... just like there are that impact every single tax bracket and economic sector. That's not unusual. Trust me .... there will be plenty of tax breaks under a Democrat plan ..... only they will claim higher rates while sneaking in tax loopholes.
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I'm guessing you don't pay taxes which is why you don't care how high they go.
You are correct. He admittedly chooses to live a "meager existence", though he does want you and I to pay for his healthcare.
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I believe Charlie said he lives at home while he goes to college, he probably has never paid taxes and he certainly hadn't before the cuts, so he only parrots what he is being fed, and has no real idea of what they did.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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The rich make enough money and they don't need tax breaks.
It's funny how all things are relative like this.. because, hypothetically, if the "rich" were paying 30% of their income in taxes.. you would be complaining that they don't pay enough.. so if a President came along and jacked that up to 40% you would be happy.. if another President came along and jacked it up to 50% you would be even happier... then if a 3rd President came along and lowered it to 45% you would consider that a "tax break" even though it was still 15% higher than where it originally started... All you know is that they have a lot more than you, therefore they shouldn't just pay more, they should pay almost all of it.. 
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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference
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"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964
"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The Economic Report Of The President"
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"It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The Economic Report Of The President"
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"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.
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Dave...what year was that?
This is 2010...9 years after the Bush tax cuts began to turn black ink into red ink.
After 9 years of Bush tax cuts, what do we have to show for it?
Anyone claiming to be a conservative that is in favor of retaining the Bush tax cuts, is not a conservative....they are most likely just "greedy" Republicans looking to retain the tax cuts for the richest...or...they are simply using the tax issue to help get "greedy" Republicans elected.
Those of you complaining about the deficit yet crying to retain the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest...that stance is hypocritical, at best.
I find it interesting that I'm more conservative than those of you claiming to be conservative Republicans...lol...then again, Clinton was more conservative than GW Bush and Ronnie Reagan when it came to the economy....read on..
Former Reagan Budget Director David Stockman: 'The GOP Destroyed U.S. Economy'
August 12, 2010 09:00 AM By Susie Madrak
Sure, lots of people say that. But not all of them were Ronald Reagan's budget director. Now mind you, Stockman's hardly a liberal -- he's bemoaning the fact that Republicans haven't managed to slash social spending and entitlement programs, but he's saying that as long as we have these programs, the only honest thing to do is raise taxes, not cut them:
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- "How my G.O.P. destroyed the U.S. economy." Yes, that is exactly what David Stockman, President Ronald Reagan's director of the Office of Management and Budget, wrote in a recent New York Times op-ed piece, "Four Deformations of the Apocalypse."
Get it? Not "destroying." The GOP has already "destroyed" the U.S. economy, setting up an "American Apocalypse."
Stockman rushes into the ring swinging like a boxer: "If there were such a thing as Chapter 11 for politicians, the Republican push to extend the unaffordable Bush tax cuts would amount to a bankruptcy filing. The nation's public debt ... will soon reach $18 trillion." It screams "out for austerity and sacrifice." But instead, the GOP insists "that the nation's wealthiest taxpayers be spared even a three-percentage-point rate increase."
Stockman says "the second unhappy change in the American economy has been the extraordinary growth of our public debt. In 1970 it was just 40% of gross domestic product, or about $425 billion. When it reaches $18 trillion, it will be 40 times greater than in 1970." Who's to blame? Not big-spending Dems, says Stockman, but "from the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
Finally, thanks to Republican policies that let us "live beyond our means for decades by borrowing heavily from abroad, we have steadily sent jobs and production offshore," while at home "high-value jobs in goods production ... trade, transportation, information technology and the professions shrunk by 12% to 68 million from 77 million."
As the apocalypse draws near, Stockman sees a class-rebellion, a new revolution, a war against greed and the wealthy. Soon. The trigger will be the growing gap between economic classes: No wonder "that during the last bubble (from 2002 to 2006) the top 1% of Americans -- paid mainly from the Wall Street casino -- received two-thirds of the gain in national income, while the bottom 90% -- mainly dependent on Main Street's shrinking economy -- got only 12%. This growing wealth gap is not the market's fault. It's the decaying fruit of bad economic policy."
Get it? The decaying fruit of the GOP's bad economic policies is destroying our economy.
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Is it repeat season already?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Finally, thanks to Republican policies that let us "live beyond our means for decades by borrowing heavily from abroad, we have steadily sent jobs and production offshore," while at home "high-value jobs in goods production ... trade, transportation, information technology and the professions shrunk by 12% to 68 million from 77 million."
Wouldn't "decades" include or indicate a willingness of Democrats to go along with such polic(ies),.....
These problems are not single party predicaments, they're bi-partisan messes, and they're never going to be solved.
A "wealth" revolution ? Yeah, that's gonna solve everything.
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Dave...what year was that?
Funny... the year doesn't seem to matter when you want to use FDR as your example.
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This is 2010...9 years after the Bush tax cuts began to turn black ink into red ink.
Right because without the Bush tax cuts 9/11 wouldn't have happened, the tech bubble would not have burst, the bad loans in the housing market which both parties contributed to would have never come due.... If not for some minor tax cuts we would all be living in a blissful surplus...
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Those of you complaining about the deficit yet crying to retain the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest...that stance is hypocritical, at best.
For the love of God will people stop saying that!!!!!!! THE TAX CUTS WERE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!! Were they a good idea? I think they were, but I can see where that is debatable, but the cuts were for everyone and gave everyone more money in their pockets.
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The Bush tax cuts gave the government more money not less. The problem is they increased Social Spending while operating two wars. Then the housing market crashed and we started bailing out banks and car companies (which Bush started with the Democrat controlled congress).
Plain and simple if you look at it logically how will raising taxes create more jobs?? It won't it will make more leave. I love the fact that people are crying about the tax cuts but they aren't talking about cutting spending either.
For every $1 in tax cuts you take away you need to cut $2 in spending.
And in general I would love for people to stop talking about Clinton's budget. Clinton stole the Social Security money to fund his projects so it wouldn't hit his budget, well now Social Security is calling in those IOU's and you can thank Clinton and the Republican Controlled Congress for that one.
Both parties have bankrupted this country beyond belief. Arguing over which one threw more coal into the fire is pretty pointless at this point in time. They all need to go and they need to outlaw lobbyists and set term limits for Congress.
Maybe we need a grass roots effort to get an amendment for that.
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Both parties have bankrupted this country beyond belief. Arguing over which one threw more coal into the fire is pretty pointless at this point in time. They all need to go and they need to outlaw lobbyists and set term limits for Congress.

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