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Browns | Team might go after Clements in free agency Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:13:10 -0800 Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns might go after Buffalo Bills CB Nate Clements in free agency. Does the Browns really plan to pay Top money for this guy?
Why, He'll just get hurt during the pre-season with our luck.
kidding aside, doesn't this kind of money for one player take away from others, causing a lowering of talent for other positions? Clements' asking price is already high. The one-time Pro Bowl selection and six-year veteran has previously said that he wants to be the top-paid player at his position. Champ Bailey set the standard when he signed a seven-year, $63 million contract with Denver in 2004 that included an $18 million bonus.  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/fo...tml?eref=si_nfl
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Fact is...And some disagree with this...But that's blindness if they do...
Holly/Minter/Brown are not starting caliber Corners...Cutch is a FRAGILE Nickel...
WE NEED A STARTING CORNER...
If u get a Harper he's your #2...
If u get a Clements...He's your #1...Gonna cost ya' but still a #1 and allows us to put Bodden on lesser wide-outs...
When u get good corner play in a 3-4 it opens alot...Cheating a Safety closer to the LOS because u don't HAVE to commit deep help...Opens much more blitzing packages...
U get a Clements in here and get Williams on the field for MGinest...Let Russel go in FA (Reports say we ain't even close in $$$...LATER CHUMP)...And get ONE TOP END and another NT in here and this D improves significantly...
AND CUT BAXTER WHILE WE'RE AT IT...........................The cap hit SHOULD come close to evening out...NO WAY THIS DUDE PLAYS FOOTBALL AGAIN...
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But, when does the price become completely ridiculous?
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Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns might go after Buffalo Bills CB Nate Clements in free agency.
Not really going out on a limb there is she? They "might" go after anyone and they "might" not.
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Dawg in dayton explained the reasons you need solid corners in the 3-4.. I'd never do better... But from a business standpoint, there is always a point of diminished returns,. in this case, when the price of one player causes us to be unable to sign someone else of value..
I'm pretty sure that Savage and Chip McCracken aren't dumb enough to over spend to the point of crashing the whole program.,, I don't see that at all,,
I mean, we spent the kind of money that Clements wants on Bentley and Shaffer last season,,, It didn't crash the team did it..
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Holly/Minter/Brown are not starting caliber Corners...Cutch is a FRAGILE Nickel...
WE NEED A STARTING CORNER...
I agree big time. Bodden is a good player, but he isn't a great player. People tend to elevate him because they compare him to the other bums we have had over the past few years.
Bodden is solid.....but Clememts is better. Line those two up and we have a solid team......Holly is a decent back-up if one of those two needs to sit for some reason.
I agree on Baxter....he is done. Work a settlement.
We need a solid corner as much as we need any position on this team.
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If your not gonna pay the big prices, dont ex0pect to get the big names,
Winning comes at a cost, were not gonna make the playoffs or go any further with a bunch of players who are blue light specials, pay the big bucks get the good player....GOOD PLAYER, not the ones who say thier good, the ones who have proven it on the field...pay it or sell the team...if you cant afford them, you shouldnt be owning a team...
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Holley /Brown will be nickle backs..I can't comment on Minter..he hasn't played yet..
Clements won't be the only FA CB Phil goes after and AS I TOLD U ..he is going to draft a CB..BANK on it..
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I agree Clay. If we can sign a pro bowl corner we need to get him. We already have the backups. Now lets see if Clements means what he said. Get a reasonable offer and sign. until then its all lip service.
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If Brown makes it back to the roster I will be surprised.
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I've advocated getting Clements from the get go.. DinD explained the reasons very well. If we can get Clements and Steinbach in FA we are more than ready for the draft and we substantially improve the Browns. Those 2 should be our primary targets.
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we would be insane to believe we can get both. im not expecting to get any probowlers honestly. but i am hoping we dish out near top dollar in a pitch to clements
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.." Let Russel go in FA (Reports say we ain't even close in $$$...LATER CHUMP)." .. We will see who the chump in when pool gets beat over the top , time and time again !  ..
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.." Let Russel go in FA (Reports say we ain't even close in $$$...LATER CHUMP)."
.. We will see who the chump in when pool gets beat over the top , time and time again ! ..
I have said this before, but I don't think Russell is anything special and I don't think he is much better than Pool.
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Opinions , Opinions , Opinions  .. Russell gave us some much needed leadership on the " D " .. Pool is Ok when moving forward , I feel like he is not all that in coverage over the top ! .. Looks like we are going to find out this season 
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Clements is an excellent player. While it does make one cringe at paying the big bucks, you gotta pay to play!
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Oh I never said that was a fact.
But unless Russell signs for average money, let him walk.
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I beleive that how FA'gency pans out will tell us alot about how Crennel and Savage feel about our current crop of CB's. I.E.:
IF we agressivley pursue Clements, that tells me that the FO is not totally thrilled with the progress of Minter, Holly, and Brown.
IF we don't pursue Clements that hard, then the FO must be pretty pleased with the effort of Minter, Holly, and Brown.
Personally, I hope that BOTH Minter and Holly have stepped up to the plate and that Savage and Crennel feel comfortable enough with them to hold off on any CB help in the FA'gent market and spend aggresively on help for the trenches.
I see us problably going after another CB on the second day of the draft. Maybe someone in a CB version of Pool, but who plays CB and has the skill set to play safety if needed. I know injuries hurt us last year, but I still beleive we have the potential for a pretty darn good secondary.
Bodden CB
Minter or Holly CB
Jones SS
Pool FS (possibley Russell)
McCutchen NB (or Loser of the other Starting CB job)
Everyone seems to forget about McCutchen also. I don't feel he is finished yet (but recently I have heard RUMOURS that he may indeed by finished). I stated last year that I felt he was better suited for the Nickel Back role, and I still feel that way. Though older, the year off MAY HAVE been a blessing in disguise for McCutch. He was getting beat up as an everyday starter. A full year of healing, and coming back as a FULL-TIME NB, may be a second life for someone who was a very dependable player for us before last year. Let McCutch battle for the NB role with the loser of the Minter/Holly Battle, and we have a pretty solid secondary.
As a side note: Tucker seems to be doing a GREAT job with our DB's. We need to be careful with this DB coach guys, if we are not carefull he could be taken away from us next year and I honestly beleive he is an "up and comer" in the coaching ranks.
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Totally agree. Holly might be a decent nickel back, Minter is a question mark, Brown flat out stinks, and McCutcheon if healthy is no better then a quality nickel back due to age and injury. CB is a definite need, since Samuel got tagged the 2 players i would like us to take a look at are Clements and Nick Harper from Indy.
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Holly/Minter/Brown are not starting caliber Corners...Cutch is a FRAGILE Nickel...
Totally agree. Holly might be a decent nickel back, Minter is a question mark, Brown flat out stinks, and McCutcheon if healthy is no better then a quality nickel back due to age and injury. CB is a definite need, since Samuel got tagged the 2 players i would like us to take a look at are Clements and Nick Harper from Indy.
I don't think anyone would disagree that Ralph Brown really stinks, but he certainly did show improvement as the season went on.
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As far as Ralph Brown is concernecd, I could tackle better than him. I admit his coverage skills improved, but that was it.
Here's what I think it will look like next year.
Clements
Bodden
Holly
Russell?/Poole
and then Jones,
Now if you ask me that's a darn good secondary right there, they just need time to gel together.
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If we can get Clements and Steinbach in FA we are more than ready for the draft and we substantially improve the Browns.
U bet your ass...We get Clements and Steinbach/Dielman for LG...Hell even Dockery...We're all the better for it and still have alot of cap space left...
Sign Fraley...I think this gets done...If not I'd bet it's a hang up on LENGTH of contract with Bentley hangin' in the wings...Can't blame Hanker for that if it happens...Do we turn over the middle to Smith???...Stay tuned...
I hope we STAY AWAY from Adalius Thomas and go for the CB/OG...Leon Williams should get every chance to share time and eventually unseat Willie at OLB...WE DO NOT NEED THOMAS AT HIS COST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Turn to the draft...If we MUST take a Quinn/Peterson...FINE...That means Thomas is gone at 2...If we do that we BEST make the 2/3/4 picks for BOTH LINES...No CB (Sorry Attack...Not with Minter here and a Clements if signed)...No RB if Quinn is the pick...No Safety...No TE...No WR...
Rounds 2/3/4 are the $$$ picks here...We gotta get em' right...And all I want out of the 4 pick is a guy who can provide DEPTH in the future and contribute...But 1-2-3 MUST BE TOPS...
We do this right and we're NOT AS FAR AWAY AS SOME THINK!!!!!!!
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I didn't read all the responses, but I'm sure they run the gamut of "we should pass on him" to "we gotta get this guy!"
My opinion is that, outside of Bodden, we just aren't very strong at CB. Cutch is fragile, and while I thought he was good, I always thought we could do better. The other guys we have right now are backups, and we saw that last year in a number of games. Did they play alright? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that if a star is out there that can have a huge impact for us, we should pass on him.
We have a ton of money to spend. Things could get ridiculous, and if Clements tries to break the bank, then I say move on. But, CBs are getting top-dollar now, and if we have a couple good ones, we won't have to worry about that position for a long time.
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Sign Fraley...I think this gets done...If not I'd bet it's a hang up on LENGTH of contract with Bentley hangin' in the wings...Can't blame Hanker for that if it happens...Do we turn over the middle to Smith???...Stay tuned...
Hell No!!!!!
I liked what he showed in camp but I don't think he can be close to what Hank can do. We really need to resign Hank and pickup a good guard in free agency. Add a 2nd guard in the 2nd round (we won't) and Thomas to top it off and I will be thrilled.
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Plus we need Hank to re-sign so we can get inside info from Danielle! 
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No CB (Sorry Attack...Not with Minter here and a Clements if signed)...No RB if Quinn is the pick...No Safety...No TE...No WR...
Why U resting your hopes on a guy we haven't even seen on the field yet?
What U need to consider is the fact that he's a unknown at CB just like Sowells is a unknown at OG..
Next consider that Bodden may not stay healthy 16 games..I hope so but what if he doesn't?
If I'm Phil I cover my bases..I have 7 picks..7 ..I can take a CB when I feel the value is worth the selction..and the kid can be a insurance should either CB go down...
I value corners more so than most people do..I see a need to draft one..
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I value corners more so than most people do..I see a need to draft one..
There is no doubt about depth, but with all the needs we have this year, I'm pretty happy with the corners we've been able to pick up off the street over the past 2 years -- much more talent then we've been able to find at other areas of need.
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Clements' asking price is already high. The one-time Pro Bowl selection and six-year veteran has previously said that he wants to be the top-paid player at his position. Champ Bailey set the standard when he signed a seven-year, $63 million contract with Denver in 2004 that included an $18 million bonus.
He's no Champ Bailey and I doubt he gets this offer. As I mentioned in another thread on this, I'd expect something more like 5/40/10 than 7/63/18. Still a boatload of cash.
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How could U be happy with those bums?
Holley is the only guy who's probably got a solid roster spot..
How hard is it to understand that CB falls into one of the 3 areas Phil wants to address this offseason?
After Oline/Dline it's the next OBVIOUS weak area.
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I'm pretty happy with the corners we've been able to pick up off the street over the past 2 years -- much more talent then we've been able to find at other areas of need. I'm pretty happy with the corners we've been able to pick up off the street over the past 2 years -- much more talent then we've been able to find at other areas of need.
Exactly, our CBs might not be that good, but we seem to find them pretty well. I think it's an advantage of Crennel and our CB coach. I'd rather spend a 2nd rounder on a guard who'll surely start (Sears/Blalock) or a tackle/RB than a CB. we found servicable ones last year. they certainly weren't our biggest weakness. Our weakness is finding guys at our OLine/RB/DLine positions that will produce...
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We have a ton of money to spend. Things could get ridiculous, and if Clements tries to break the bank, then I say move on. But, CBs are getting top-dollar now, and if we have a couple good ones, we won't have to worry about that position for a long time.
I agree that there should definitely be a limit to what we will spend - or at least taking into account how the contract is structured.
- Our corners did well considering, but were not challenges as much as they would be if we could ever effectively stop the run.
- A heathy Cincinnati is arguably the team to beat in our division. We need serious help at CB if we have any hopes of controlling their receiving corps. They dominated us defensively more than any other team we played this year.
- Our 2007 schedule is littered with solid passing teams
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Our corners did well considering, but were not challenges as much as they would be if we could ever effectively stop the run.
When they were pic'd on they did up some crucial catches..it's a area than needs upgrading due to injuries..Phil knows the value of corners in a 34 ..AND I firmly feel we'll be seeing a CB come draft day..
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1: bodden
2: somebody out there (clements would be nice but dont count on it)
3: holly
S: Brian russell
S: Jones
reserve: pool
is how it needs to look. you dont let the most experienced and smartest DB on the roster go unless he wants top dollar and we cant afford it.
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When they were pic'd on they did up some crucial catches..it's a area than needs upgrading due to injuries..Phil knows the value of corners in a 34 ..AND I firmly feel we'll be seeing a CB come draft day..
It seemed like we did better against teams when we could confuse them with our coverages and focus on their primary target.
A team like Cinci has too many weapons and someone is going to get stuck in 1 on 1 coverage, Palmer will find them, and we'll get burned.
We either have to get major pressure, beef up the defensive backfield, or a little of both to not put an automatic "L" beside both of those games next year.
That's just defensively. Not like we matched up well with them offensively either, but who did our offense match up well against?
I'm not sure about the whole "we'll draft a CB" thing. I guess we could, but I'm not sure why you think that's likely.
What are you thinking on that?
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I would love to get Clements but I would never make him the highest paid CB.
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Why U resting your hopes on a guy we haven't even seen on the field yet?
We're talkin' "Nickel & Dime" Corners...Not starters...
IF we ink Clements...We're fine...And I'd drop McCutcheon in a second unless he re-does that $ figure this year...He's a solid Nickel Corner...WHEN HE PLAYS...lol...
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Why continue to snag 4th and later Corners???...It takes 3-4 years for a Corner to mature...We're full of these guys...Don't need anymore...Not even a 1st day Corner if we ink Clements...
Inking Clements takes Corner OUTTA THE PICTURE imo...We'd be much wiser to go forward with slammin' both O & D Lines...
Are u telling me u wouldn't be satisfied with a Secondary consisting of...
Clements & Bodden
Minter
Holly
MAYBE CUTCH
Jones & Pool
Hamilton
I WOULD...
Jones is becoming our version of NE's Harrison...And we get a Corner the caliber of Clements and ALOT opens up...
Tell ya' what else I'd do...We don't have squat for a NT beyond Washington...I'd say screw Parker/kelly and Babs...And go sign Traylor for 2 years so we still have that Mentor when Ted retires next year...Traylor will be had CHEAP...
Then see if we can get one with our #1 or #2 picks next year...
Clements and Traylor along with a NEW END for McKinley will go a LONG WAY here...And take another End in 3 and or 4...After the G in 2 of course...lol...NO CORNERS IF CLEMENTS IS HERE!!!!!
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I figure it will take something in the range of 7 years 55 million to get him to come here...( and that may be with the hometown discount  )
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U just said it takes corners how many years to mature?
Yet Minter is how high on your list?
And he is just recovering from knee surgery...
Hmmm..if there isn't a linemen worth taking in round three..watch out...
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